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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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don't vote S_S he rolled town"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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he is playing the S_S towngame that actually looks precisely like everyone else's scumgame thingy"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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and he tried to break my defense based on framement but the framiment itself is still relevant"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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oh don't get me wrongIn post 1921, Something_Smart wrote:Well, for one, I don't think it's true that town are more likely to be stalling out a wagon on town than scum are. Especially if implosion is also town, scum might be positioned to whiteknight me, or they might be unable to switch to push me, or they might just want to encourage apathy and slow the game down.
And aside from that, it seems like most of the information you get from flipping one of me/implosion comes if the person flipped is scum... which leads me back to my point, which is that you should be trying to hit scum, not trying to get information. I don't agree that me/implosion are necessarily going to be the foci of D2 if we don't die today; Aaron has a bigger wagon than either of us right now! And I've accumulated a couple of pretty vehement defenders (Isis, skitter) who will probably be trying to block a wagon on me tomorrow. (Plus I might have a result.)
So your post reads as an excuse to try to drag the focus back onto me/implosion more than anything. I could even say it looks like you're complaining that your mis-exes are slipping away, though that's quite a reach. But I don't like it.
i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today
'gaining information' is a sort of worst case 'what do we still get if this does hit town' kinda thing
and that shady ass remark about seeing 'misexes slip away' is bullshit and you know it
its only in a world of exactly scum!sechyd + scum!AFF that I would have to be worried about that -> yeet aaron today, get focus back onto my 'misexes' tomorrow
so yeah
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Oh I know. I'm not saying you're trying to be subtle or sneaky about it. I'm just saying your arguments for doing so are terrible and may not be your true reasons.In post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosionIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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So you think that skitter and Isis... are my scumbuddies? Or that you know me better than they do? Or what?In post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that todayIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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i've been pushing your slot for the majority of this day, my other head has been on Implo for a while and when we see attention go away from our desired pushes, we try to get back to thatIn post 1932, Something_Smart wrote:
Oh I know. I'm not saying you're trying to be subtle or sneaky about it. I'm just saying your arguments for doing so are terrible and may not be your true reasons.In post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
yeah, absolutely terrible argumentation
imagine someone trying to push their scumreads right
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i said no such thingIn post 1933, Something_Smart wrote:
So you think that skitter and Isis... are my scumbuddies? Or that you know me better than they do? Or what?In post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today
why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
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And I mean I admitted this was a stretch. It's not impossible, though it is unlikely. It doesn't require you to be scum with Aaron; I'm a claimed tracker, and leaving me alive is kinda dangerous for scum.In post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:and that shady ass remark about seeing 'misexes slip away' is bullshit and you know itIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I'm trying to ask you why you think I have a high chance of flipping scum when two separate slots are very confident that I'm town.In post 1935, seCret hYdra wrote:i said no such thing
why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
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This feels very... equivocate-y. Your explanation in 1918 was all about getting information, not about us being the most likely scum. And like, 1918 is really terrible logic. But beyond that the relevant thing here is it feels like you're trying to paint this picture where both me and S_S eventually being flipped is inevitable because of the info we'd get andIn post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today
Like. there was a huge isis wagon? and a big-ass aaron wagon right now? what happened to those???? why is the information from those on a different level from the information from mine and S_S's? Is it just some excuse to claim that the people your heads scumread are the people that should die anyway?
I can't tell if this is just some kind of sechyd thinking themselves into a hole or if it's scum manufacturing logic to sound like they have a coherent logic. Or if there's just some step to the logic I'm missing.-
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ooooh i missed that yeahIn post 1937, Something_Smart wrote:
I'm trying to ask you why you think I have a high chance of flipping scum when two separate slots are very confident that I'm town.In post 1935, seCret hYdra wrote:i said no such thing
why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
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you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable
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it's really not rocket scienceIn post 1938, implosion wrote:
This feels very... equivocate-y. Your explanation in 1918 was all about getting information, not about us being the most likely scum. And like, 1918 is really terrible logic. But beyond that the relevant thing here is it feels like you're trying to paint this picture where both me and S_S eventually being flipped is inevitable because of the info we'd get andIn post 1930, seCret hYdra wrote:i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today
Like. there was a huge isis wagon? and a big-ass aaron wagon right now? what happened to those???? why is the information from those on a different level from the information from mine and S_S's? Is it just some excuse to claim that the people your heads scumread are the people that should die anyway?
I can't tell if this is just some kind of sechyd thinking themselves into a hole or if it's scum manufacturing logic to sound like they have a coherent logic. Or if there's just some step to the logic I'm missing.
2 major competing wagons nearing EoD
lots of shifting
there is only profit here
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Let me rephrase the question more directly.In post 1939, seCret hYdra wrote:you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable
Assume I'm scum. Why are Isis and skitter so confidently wrong about me?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasonsIn post 1941, implosion wrote:the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...
i don't like that
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so the "information" thing is fully just a back-justification then?In post 1942, seCret hYdra wrote:Why not isis? She improved a lot over the day. It was a good early wagon.
Why not aaron? Everyone can push there if they like. I don't see it.
I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading
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have you heard of stallingIn post 1945, seCret hYdra wrote:
because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasonsIn post 1941, implosion wrote:the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...
i don't like that
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I don't know? Because they are just wrong in that case? Is that impossible/improbable?In post 1943, Something_Smart wrote:
Let me rephrase the question more directly.In post 1939, seCret hYdra wrote:you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable
Assume I'm scum. Why are Isis and skitter so confidently wrong about me?
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Why do you scumread me and implosion?In post 1942, seCret hYdra wrote:I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreadingIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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