Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Isis]

[Isis]

[Isis]

don't vote S_S he rolled town

[Isis]

he is playing the S_S towngame that actually looks precisely like everyone else's scumgame thingy

[Isis]

and he tried to break my defense based on framement but the framiment itself is still relevant

[seCret hYdra]

Well, for one, I don't think it's true that town are more likely to be stalling out a wagon on town than scum are. Especially if implosion is also town, scum might be positioned to whiteknight me, or they might be unable to switch to push me, or they might just want to encourage apathy and slow the game down.

And aside from that, it seems like most of the information you get from flipping one of me/implosion comes if the person flipped is scum... which leads me back to my point, which is that you should be trying to hit scum, not trying to get information. I don't agree that me/implosion are necessarily going to be the foci of D2 if we don't die today; Aaron has a bigger wagon than either of us right now! And I've accumulated a couple of pretty vehement defenders (Isis, skitter) who will probably be trying to block a wagon on me tomorrow. (Plus I might have a result.)

So your post reads as an excuse to try to drag the focus back onto me/implosion more than anything. I could even say it looks like you're complaining that your mis-exes are slipping away, though that's quite a reach. But I don't like it.

oh don't get me wrong

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

'gaining information' is a sort of worst case 'what do we still get if this does hit town' kinda thing

and that shady ass remark about seeing 'misexes slip away' is bullshit and you know it

its only in a world of exactly scum!sechyd + scum!AFF that I would have to be worried about that -> yeet aaron today, get focus back onto my 'misexes' tomorrow

so yeah

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

don't vote S_S he rolled town

ben rolled scum tho

-seCret

[Something_Smart]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion

Oh I know. I'm not saying you're trying to be subtle or sneaky about it. I'm just saying your arguments for doing so are terrible and may not be your true reasons.

[Something_Smart]

i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

So you think that skitter and Isis... are my scumbuddies? Or that you know me better than they do? Or what?

[seCret hYdra]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion

Oh I know. I'm not saying you're trying to be subtle or sneaky about it. I'm just saying your arguments for doing so are terrible and may not be your true reasons.

i've been pushing your slot for the majority of this day, my other head has been on Implo for a while and when we see attention go away from our desired pushes, we try to get back to that


yeah, absolutely terrible argumentation

imagine someone trying to push their scumreads right

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

So you think that skitter and Isis... are my scumbuddies? Or that you know me better than they do? Or what?

i said no such thing

why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

-seCret

[Something_Smart]

and that shady ass remark about seeing 'misexes slip away' is bullshit and you know it

And I mean I admitted this was a stretch. It's not impossible, though it is unlikely. It doesn't require you to be scum with Aaron; I'm a claimed tracker, and leaving me alive is kinda dangerous for scum.

[Something_Smart]

i said no such thing

why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

-seCret

I'm trying to ask you why you think I have a high chance of flipping scum when two separate slots are very confident that I'm town.

[implosion]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

This feels very... equivocate-y. Your explanation in 1918 was all about getting information, not about us being the most likely scum. And like, 1918 is really terrible logic. But beyond that the relevant thing here is it feels like you're trying to paint this picture where both me and S_S eventually being flipped is inevitable because of the info we'd get and

Like. there was a huge isis wagon? and a big-ass aaron wagon right now? what happened to those???? why is the information from those on a different level from the information from mine and S_S's? Is it just some excuse to claim that the people your heads scumread are the people that should die anyway?

I can't tell if this is just some kind of sechyd thinking themselves into a hole or if it's scum manufacturing logic to sound like they have a coherent logic. Or if there's just some step to the logic I'm missing.

[seCret hYdra]

i said no such thing

why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

-seCret

I'm trying to ask you why you think I have a high chance of flipping scum when two separate slots are very confident that I'm town.

ooooh i missed that yeah

you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable

gottit

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

This feels very... equivocate-y. Your explanation in 1918 was all about getting information, not about us being the most likely scum. And like, 1918 is really terrible logic. But beyond that the relevant thing here is it feels like you're trying to paint this picture where both me and S_S eventually being flipped is inevitable because of the info we'd get and

Like. there was a huge isis wagon? and a big-ass aaron wagon right now? what happened to those???? why is the information from those on a different level from the information from mine and S_S's? Is it just some excuse to claim that the people your heads scumread are the people that should die anyway?

I can't tell if this is just some kind of sechyd thinking themselves into a hole or if it's scum manufacturing logic to sound like they have a coherent logic. Or if there's just some step to the logic I'm missing.

it's really not rocket science

2 major competing wagons nearing EoD
lots of shifting

there is only profit here

-seCret

[implosion]

the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...

[seCret hYdra]

Why not isis? She improved a lot over the day. It was a good early wagon.
Why not aaron? Everyone can push there if they like. I don't see it.

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

-seCret

[Something_Smart]

you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable

Let me rephrase the question more directly.

Assume I'm scum. Why are Isis and skitter so confidently wrong about me?

[implosion]

like, sure. but i could make an equally valid argument that if we go on aaron then we have not only the usefulness of looking at how his wagon sprang up out of nowhere, but also the early wagon on him and how it competed with the isis wagon, if he flips town.

It just feels fully arbitrary.

[seCret hYdra]

the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...

because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasons

i don't like that

-seCret

[implosion]

Why not isis? She improved a lot over the day. It was a good early wagon.
Why not aaron? Everyone can push there if they like. I don't see it.

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

-seCret

so the "information" thing is fully just a back-justification then?

[implosion]

the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...

because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasons

i don't like that

-seCret

have you heard of stalling

[seCret hYdra]

you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable

Let me rephrase the question more directly.

Assume I'm scum. Why are Isis and skitter so confidently wrong about me?

I don't know? Because they are just wrong in that case? Is that impossible/improbable?

-seCret

[Something_Smart]

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

Why do you scumread me and implosion?