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[Luca Blight]

And if you mean N2, then of course they'd rather target a tpr outside the hood in order to lend more credibility to the hood.

If there's scum in the hood, and especially if there's two scum, they really want to make it seem as though the hood is trustworthy.

[Luca Blight]

Can we clear up who has claimed what and when the claims were made?

At this point it's almost confirmed there must be at least one scum in the hood.

[Luca Blight]

I know, I got mixed up.

[Luca Blight]

I claimed the green check on NPOM's slot.

I claimed investigative Night 1, before bugspray or gamma were in the hood.

You claimed invest during N1? Why would you do that?

Why would you invest NPOM who was one or the townier slots in the game? Why not invest Frogster who you seemed more suspicious of?

[Luca Blight]

What other claims have been made in the hood?

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Or even invest one of Bugs/Lunar, which would have provided a lot more info given their wagons D1.

NPOM seems a really weird target. Imo perhaps the worst one you could have made, if you’re a Town invest.

[Luca Blight]

And did you simply claim ‘investigative’ or something more specific?

[Luca Blight]

Did Amelie claim or hint at her role in the hood?

[Luca Blight]

You can figure out why I claimed and the timing of the claim if you try hard enough.

So again you're being cagey as to your motives. I can see a possible Town and scum motivation for revealing your supposed role N1, and right now the scum motivation seems to make more sense.

As Town, it would be foolhardy to put your trust into the hood when you could be roleblocked/killed if one of them is scum, and it could also lead to a false positive, given you were widely TR D1 and could have have been targeted by scum anyway even if the hood was pure.

As scum, you want to pocket the hood and build trust. 'Confirming' an already Townblocked player is a small price to pay for that.

[Luca Blight]

I have more results, yes, but I don't want to let the cat out of the bag yet.

I think it's fair if I state there's no information on a N2 result from Galron

So why would you be prepared to reveal the NPOM result to the hood, but not the supposed N2 result?

What are you waiting for exactly? As Town you'd be presuming you'd be NK, especially if Bugs flips Town as you seem to think they will, so why would you withhold this info?

[Luca Blight]

@Other hood members

: Can you confirm that Amelie left no hints as to her role?

[Luca Blight]

What did NPOM claim? I don't remember that.

[Luca Blight]

Surely Galron has to reveal his supposed N2 result?

[Luca Blight]

Did Galron reveal his other results in the hood?

[Luca Blight]

Ejj is scum, I think.

N1 Amelie definitely protected Galron, and scum most probably targeted Galron based on her death. I need to do more analysis later.

[Luca Blight]

Galron claimed yesterday that he had another result. Hopefully someone in the hood can confirm if this was the case.

[Luca Blight]

And if Galron was blocked N2 then presumably he’d have been less trusting of the hood?

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Scum!ejj has made it hard for themselves by hard-defending Lunar, though. That would have been a viable miselim.

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Yes, I agree.

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Gamma, did Galron leave any info about his N2 result?

[Luca Blight]

I’ll give ejj another 12 hours or so before I lay down my vote.

[Luca Blight]

Lunar to claim next.

[Luca Blight]

Who did your slot target on the previous nights, ejj?

[Luca Blight]

Town:

Amelie - BG neighbor
Galron: Neap neighbor
Grendel - Traffic Analyst
Gamma: back-up neighbor
ejj - roleblocker neighbor??

Scum:

Bugs: backup neighbor
Momrangal: informed

Think that's where we're at right now.

[Luca Blight]

Just throwing this out there - is it

possible

there could be four scum, one perhaps being a traitor?

That could explain the apparent amount of Town power.

[Luca Blight]

I never wanted to elim Frogster or NPOM? I've read them as Town from the start. And again, the argument was with Lunar, not Bugs.

You clearly haven't read my posts very well.

[Luca Blight]

I think I'd like to go for Trendall or OutWorldER. Failing that, NoPower or Frog.

VOTE: Trendall

This bugs me

Is this some sort of hint?

Is Lunar scum traitor, along with a Bugs, Momrangal, ejj scum team?

Just something that caught my eye.

[Luca Blight]

Ah, I see.

[Luca Blight]

At the end of D1 Momrangal was pushing the Lunar elim a far bit, certainly over Bugs. This is giving me pause, given the last scum would presumably be a decent PR.

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But she must have been bussing/distancing on some level, as she pushed/voted all of Lunar/Outworld/Trendall D1.

Lunar is the only one she voted who was close to getting eiminated, however.

[Luca Blight]

Tbf Frogster Lunar later said they got confused between Galron/Grendell and retracted the obvtown read.

[Luca Blight]

Momrangal pushed Outworld most of D1, but the wagon never gained much interest.

VOTE: Trendall

I prefer OWER over Trendall especially if Lunar is scum here. The fact that he doesn't mind OWER and Trendall but votes Trendalls smaller wagon over OWERS larger wagon at the time (by a vote or two) feels like he's trying to push a CW to a possible partner only to leave himself open to bus him towards the end to reduce the association between the two of them.

Makes this vote when the wagons were tied 3 apiece for Bugs, Trendall and Lunar.

VOTE: Lunar,

Spoiler: more stuff

Grendel, how do you feel about Lunar stating he doesn't mind offing OWER and Trendall yet choosing the smaller wagon betwen the two?

OWER/Trendall/NPOM was always his scum team, until more started going up against OWER more.


More notably, I found this on a quick iso to double check

Based on interactions on this page I don't think that OutWorldER and Frog are both Mafia. I'm leaning towards Frog being Mafia and Out being Town.

This came after his vote, and after Frog acknowledged that I may have something here. There were multiple wagons at the time, and it feels like newbscum sticking to some scumreads to look like they are generating them early on and sticking to their reads and falling back on just one of them when others start looking more into it.

Also at this time, Trendall was popular. If two scum are in the POE pool d1 it makes sense as a survivalistic move to try and move over to a townie that's under scrutiny to save them

No one here is willing to elim anyone except you and bugspray.

This isn't true, and no I'm not counter-claiming bugs here. Most wagons that have been put on the table today have had support for them, and votes moving towards them.

At the same time, I'm having a harder time convincing OWER to take off.


I would like to see a Lunar scum flip here, tbh because it brings clarity to two other slots in my opinion

[Luca Blight]

Ah, I see you found it already.

[Luca Blight]

I feel like Momrangal could easily have pushed Trendall there instead, if Trendall was Town and Lunar scum.

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Although if ejj is the last scum then I guess they can't win anyway.

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I do think that Momrangal's 'this bugs me' post was intentional. Perhaps as a deliberate clue - so after the game they can say 'look, I told you who was scum here but you missed it'.

I've seen scum do stuff like that before, but not often.

[Luca Blight]

Lunar's Gamma double vote was weird anyway, so we'll see.

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I thought he was definitely Town, but now I'm not so sure as I can see reasons to believe all of {Lunar, Outworld, ejj} are Town, and Momrangal has distanced from all of them.

[Luca Blight]

Lunar D1 here wasn't similar at all, which is why I SR them D1 (not knowing at the time they were actually scum in the other game I was playing with them).

Lunar's play since then has been closer to their play that game, but I wouldn't want to base a meta read off of it. All I can say is that Lunar!scum is able to make some Townie looking posts.

[Luca Blight]

I can get behind Frogster's reasoning here. There's not much separating Lunar/Outworld, but Lunar probably has more towntelly posts and was pushed for elim by both Bugs and Momrangal D1. There's no point eliminating ejj due to their claim, as that will self-resolve anyway.

VOTE: OutworldER

E-1

[Luca Blight]

Actually this scenario does remind me a bit of Lunar's scum game where they bussed their partner despite the fact that doing so would inevitably lead to their loss.

[Luca Blight]

Outworld elim
ejj dies

Lunar elim
Frogster dies

Gamma, Luca, Joq

If I were scum then I'd be eliminated because the other two are conftown. Town can't lose here anyway.

Outworld elim
Frogster dies

ejj non guilty on Lunar
ejj elim
Gamma dies

Luca, Joq, Lunar. Again two conftown, so as scum I couldn't win.

[Luca Blight]

It doesn't really matter who we elim here out of Outworld/Lunar.

I'd say Outworld is slightly the better bet to hit scum, but Town will win regardless.

[Luca Blight]

Ejj claimed roleblocker.

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But I'm not sure what the difference between a roleblocker and rolestopper is.

[Luca Blight]

According to the wiki rolestopper is like the inverse of a roleblocker. The player you target will be unaffected by actions against them.

Roleblocker (which ejj claimed) stops that player from making any kills/actions.

[Luca Blight]

That's actually a good point - could Gamma be a strongman?

[Luca Blight]

elim outworld
ejj (who targets Lunar) dies

elim Luca
Frogster dies

Lunar, Gamma, Joq

In that case it comes down to a 50/50 between Lunar and Gamma, if there's a strongman.

[Luca Blight]

Luca would you ever consider playing the way you did here as scum!Luca?

Like in the maf pt D1 just go "fuck it guys I'm pushing Bugs this game get ready.."

And PEdit: Yes he most definitely could as far as mechanics go I think it works and would be balanced setup wise, based on dayplay I think it's unlikely.

I'd probably distance but not actively bus.

[Luca Blight]

But Gamma is 'confirmed' unless there's a strongman, I'm not.

If it ends up as Lunar, Gamma and Joq then there must be a Strongman or scum role that can force through the kill.

[Luca Blight]

I'm probably overthinking it and it's either Lunar/Outworld, but I think this works as a back-up plan.

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Lunar is unlikely to be a Strongman because both Mom and Bugs pushed for their elim over Bugs.

[Luca Blight]

There's still a whole week left, so no need to rush.

[Luca Blight]

I slightly prefer an Outworld elim but Lunar is ok as well. I’m also happy to follow Frogster’s intuition on this one.

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It feels like Lunar is slowly turning into Trendall, which is a shame.

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I’m here, just waiting for Frogster to come to a decision.

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I think Gamma should just hammer before a replacement is required, so Frogster has extra time to stay in the game.

[Luca Blight]

I’m busy atm, will catch-up in a bit.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not a role-blocker, I’m a macho neighbor. 
This whole charade was just a really dumb attempt to make this game a mech-win by getting killed

The only ones who could have known about this plan were gamma (whom I talked to yesterday before attempting it) and Luca (whom I stupidly ended up claiming to have blocked).

VOTE: ejjinami

but now that I think of it all of that was completely useless... Regardless of who did it, killing frogster was a big brain move

Wow. If you are Town then this was a terrible move. Literally the only reason I was Ok with eliminating Outworld (who I had locked as Town since D2) was because I thought a Town win was inevitable, based on you being a Roleblocker.

And now we have Gamma, who I had thought was conftown, who is also still a suspect. I need to completely reevaluate again.

[Luca Blight]

I'm really lacking motivation for this game right now. I feel like just eliminating ejj tbh.

Before the fakeclaim, I thought ejj was scum by PoE. Now I'm back to being of the same opinion, but even more so given they were being deliberately deceptive.

I don't think Lunar is scum. Gamma has seemed Townish most of the game, and two scum back-up neighbors would be strange. There's also the fact that the BG died N1, so scum probably knew about Galron being a PR.

[Luca Blight]

Joq is the only conf Town remaining so I'm happy to let him decide the outcome, but I definitely propose an ejj elim today.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t feel like limming ejji is a good move
I feel like the way he immediately snapped to fessing up reads like newbtown that failed a gambit and wants to try to mitigate damage

So what is a good move?

[Luca Blight]

Btw if ejj is scum then they would have plenty of time to plan that 'fessing up'.

[Luca Blight]

Also, fakeclaming Yesterday was scum!ejj's only chance to win. If they claimed what they're claiming today then they would have been eliminated before Outworld 100%.

[Luca Blight]

At this point I'm just going to assume scum is either ejj or Lunar.

Lunar's has become very erratic and reactive since the Bugspray elim, which seems more likely to come from scum as it was a pretty comfy position for Town. I don't get Lunar's stance on ejj, either. It would make sense from a scum!Lunar perspective to bring ejj to LYLO where it would be an easy win from there.

[Luca Blight]

And also ejj has hard Townread Lunar, so that would be another reason to bring them to LYLO.

[Luca Blight]

The Frogster kill makes sense from Lunar as Frogster has tunneled Lunar most of the game.

[Luca Blight]

1) I think you and ejj are more likely scum

2) Gamma has been fairly townie all game

3) I don't think two scum back-up neighbors makes sense

[Luca Blight]

I'll need to review Gamma again to be sure, but that's where I stand right now.

[Luca Blight]

You haven't explained why you are excluding ejj from consideration.

[Luca Blight]

If you're Town then you're going to throw the game the way you're playing anyway.

I think I prefer a Lunar elim today.

[Luca Blight]

Yes, I'd rather have limited activity than another replacement at this stage.

[Luca Blight]

I’m still here, waiting for Joq to come to a decision.

[Luca Blight]

Side note, the only thing I found on my rr that was suspicious from Luca was the progression of these two posts:

I slightly prefer an Outworld elim but Lunar is ok as well. I’m also happy to follow Frogster’s intuition on this one.

Wow. If you are Town then this was a terrible move. Literally the only reason I was Ok with eliminating Outworld (who I had locked as Town since D2) was because I thought a Town win was inevitable, based on you being a Roleblocker.

2102 not necessarily a "lie" after 1995, but does feel a bit like revisionist history.

Not really.

I voted Outworld entirely on the basis that ejj was roleblocker (or scum who was guaranteed to lose anyway). I would never have voted Outworld Yesterday if they hadn't claimed that.

[Luca Blight]

And on the basis that Gamma was conftown.

[Luca Blight]

I haven't read the other stuff but I'll get to it in a bit.

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I thought that, on the basis of ejj being roleblocker and Gamma being conftown, that Outworld seemed a bit desperate in his self-defence and was voting ejj which seemed counter-productive at the time. I didn't have Outworld locktown Yesterday because of this, but I had previously.

In the end I thought it was almost 50/50 between Lunar and Outworld, and either way it didn't really matter because the game seemed won even if we missed.. I considered Outworld a slightly better bet based on scum pushing Lunar's elim over Bugs D1.

[Luca Blight]

Lunar's Gamma double vote was weird anyway, so we'll see.

How high would you estimate the potential of OutWorldER being misread in this game?

I thought he was definitely Town, but now I'm not so sure as I can see reasons to believe all of {Lunar, Outworld, ejj} are Town, and Momrangal has distanced from all of them.

I also showed I was no longer as sure on Outworld here, after ejj's claim

[Luca Blight]

I agree with most of Joq's comments on the other page. I think ejj is the best elim today, and hopefully this ends the game.

VOTE: ejj

[Luca Blight]

It’ll probably take 24 hours to get a flip anyway.

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I was so ready to vote Gamma and then Luca hammered like that. OK you two should go ahead and cross-vote and make your cases. Or I guess you can try to case me. That would be fun.

It looks more like you're reaching for a reason to cast doubt on me.

I said all along that I was Ok with either you or ejj for the elim and that I Joq should decide it, being the conftown, and he did. I didn't even see you state intent to hammer, but I wouldn't have cared anyway as the game had stalled out long enough and everyone had already said their piece. I also thought the hammer would quite likely end the game.

[Luca Blight]

Right now I'm leaning towards Lunar being the last scum, but I'm going to re-evaluate Gamma first.

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VOTE: gamma

I think here may be where I want to venture into the most .

I'm still wrapping my mind around the double chain saw, but I do think that, if Gamma is scum, then Bugs and Lunar are assuredly town. The more I think about it, the more I'm bothered by the fact that he was and is so non-chalant about there being two backup neighbors and dismissing the fact that one of them could be scum

This is an interesting post.

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I'm starting to get a gut feeling that it's actually Gamma.

[Luca Blight]

The above post from Momrangal seems like distancing, while her posts about Lunar EoD1 seemed more like actually wanting the elim.

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Votecount 2.6

bugspray(5)

~ OutWorldER(9), Luca Blight(55), Frogsterking(64), Gamma Emerald(27), Trendall(46)

Trendall(2)

~ Lunar Martian(45), NoPowerOverMe(16)

Momrangal(1)

~ Grendel(17)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Momrangal(10)


Not Voting (2): bugspray(13), Galron(8)

Momrangal is pushing a vanity wagon while her partner is clearly the leading wagon. It makes sense for one scum to be bussing Bugs here, and distancing between Gamma/Momrangal makes sense when the Bugs elim seems inevitable.

[Luca Blight]

Also Gamma's vote on Bugs there was just after Frogster's apparent guilty on Bugs, so it's basically a forced bus at that point.

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I moreso meant his comparison of ours and why it caused us to conflict
but I think your post I quoted might explain it just as well, and I'm willing to go with that

VOTE: bugspray
I don't recall anyone else having a reason to wait to end the day

This seems Townie on first glance, but when you look deeper it was actually forced.

Gamma waited as long as he could before bussing. He voted Bugs after Frogster's compelling case, and later unvoted putting the vote back to 3-3 between Bugs and I. Bugs then gets to E-1 again, and even though ejj says they want to review Bugs and I, Gamma knows I won't be eliminated here as I'm being hard TR by the townier players in the game, so this is his only chance to grab that valuable towncred.

[Luca Blight]

Is this something you'd like to discuss or...

I'd rather hear where you stand on Lunar/me rn.

[Luca Blight]

And obviously the Frogster kill makes perfect sense from Gamma as he was the only one who knew their true role.

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I haven't thought on it in-depth but just from today's stuff lunar seems better than you

Why's that?

[Luca Blight]

And obviously the Frogster kill makes perfect sense from Gamma as he was the only one who knew their true role.

ejj's true role*

[Luca Blight]

yeah except I was trying to avoid miselimming ejji
why not just let it go through?

ejj is scum's dream in LYLO.

And scum always get some benefit from seeming to be against a Townie's elim.

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Also ejj TR you

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And why would I think better of it? You'd given no indication that you SR me. Everything you said Yesterday pointed to you thinking Lunar was scum.

You've deliberately held back until the cards were already on the table, and only now are turning on me because I'm onto you.

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yeah except I was trying to avoid miselimming ejji
why not just let it go through?

ejj is scum's dream in LYLO.

And scum always get some benefit from seeming to be against a Townie's elim.

and yet you threw full sus on him D5
Like, your behavior that day kinda reeks of trying to make sure all your options were opened back up

Why is being sus of ejj D5 scummy? Town don't know everyone's alignment, whereas scum do. Frogster thought ejj was Town, so did Joq and so did I.

And why didn't you announce this suspicion earlier? It's entirely reactive on your part.

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Anyway, your reaction to this pretty much confirms in my mind that you're scum. I think as Town you'd have seen where I was coming from at least.

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Anyway, your reaction to this pretty much confirms in my mind that you're scum. I think as Town you'd have seen where I was coming from at least.

On what

My case against you. It has merit, and as Town you would have acknowledged that and not jumped to the conclusion that I must be scum because I now suspect you.

As for you being sus of ejji, that's not so much the problem as you deliberately screaming out that I wasn't conftown anymore. That is why I'm accusing you of wanting to make more options.
I also don't remember if I did or didn't talk on this earlier but I do recall feeling your play was problematic. If I didn't say anything I was probably just shocked at how much of a tantrum you were throwing.

I didn't

scream

about you not being conftown anymore? wtf are you talking about.

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Yeah, keep reaching bro.

I'll end this conversation now as it's painfully obvious that you're scum.

VOTE: Gamma

[Luca Blight]

I'll consolidate my case against Gamma a bit later.

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It makes some good points, and yet you automatically SR me over Lunar because of it, when Yesterday you made clear you SR Lunar more?

Yeah right. You're being reactive and are now scrambling for shade to throw at me.

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Also Gamma has just played in game where I (correctly) changed my mind in LYLO and voted someone I had previously TR, which is even more reason why Town!Gamma wouldn't be so quick to think I'm scum for changing my mind on him.

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what's the purpose of quoting 2202 and 2204? Is that supposed to be me screaming that you're not conftown anymore?

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The Frogster kill makes way more sense from Gamma than me.

Gamma KNEW ejj was BS'ing about their claim, I didn't. Frogster hard-TR me more than anyone else in the game.

And yes I trusted ejj prior to that, because they claimed RB? Which meant they were either Town or scum that couldn't win. I didn't consider they might be town lying about their role.

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And yeah, ejj's play was massively anti-town, and we're seeing the after-effects of that now.

And ejj consulted you about their plan to fake-claim, and you didn't dissuade them from it. You have enough experience to know how bad their plan was.

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and so you wanted ejji eliminated D5 WHY?

Because I thought ejj was likely scum.

I'm not informed, unlike you, so it isn't so easy to separate lying town from lying scum.

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It never came to my mind on D4, no.

I obviously considered it D5, but I felt that scum!ejj would have to lie in that position, whereas town!ejj wouldn't have.

And I stand by it that they were objectively the correct elim Yesterday. You don't bring slots like that to LYLO.

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I've already explained why - ejj was either Town RB or scum with no chance of winning fmpov.

I went after Galron on the condition that he was Bugs' partner. So why would I waste my time casing Galron as Bugs' partner, only to kill Galron after Bugs is eliminated?

It wasn't just me who trusted ejj, every confirmed town player had the same mindset as me, so stop trying to twist it to suit your narrative.

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It never came to my mind on D4, no.

I obviously considered it D5, but I felt that scum!ejj would have to lie in that position, whereas town!ejj wouldn't have.

And I stand by it that they were objectively the correct elim Yesterday. You don't bring slots like that to LYLO.

Remind me what your stance on BBMolla was during that large normal?

This is disingenuous.

We eliminated two scum in a row, and then it turned out there was also a SK. I certainly didn't intend to bring BBMolla to LYLO, it just happened that way.

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You're literally throwing shit and seeing what sticks.

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How was the hammer scum-indicative? I didn’t see your intent to hammer, and another 24 hours would have made absolutely no difference.

I’ll summarize the case against Gamma when I’m on the laptop.

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Why?

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Can you at least engage me on why you think I’m Mafia.

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There is no need to leave intent when the player has claimed, the consensus that they should be eliminated has been reached and everyone has said what they wanted to say. I’ve hammered like that plenty of times as Town, if you want to see?

And what benefit as scum do I get from that? What benefit would I get from not declaring intent in this situation?

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Lunar, you should know that’s BS given you’ve read less carefully than anyone this game, to the point you didn’t even know Joq was conftown.

Scum are way more careful than Town around votes and hammers.

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I’ve just arrived home so give me a minute and I’ll find some examples of me hammering like that as Town.

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viewtopic.php?p=11195300#p11195300

Here's an example where I suddenly hammered D1, right after the player had fake-claimed.

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This flipped scum, but had it flipped Town then that would have been considered way worse than the hammer in this game, which really made no difference whatsoever to the outcome.

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The fact that Gamma, one of the most experienced players on this site and who has thrown any piece of mud he can find my way, isn't even arguing that the hammer was scummy should be a clue that it isn't scum-indicative.

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In the game I just finished with Gamma I also hammered without leaving intent

From my perspective it pretty much has to be Hayker/BBMolla.

VOTE: Hayker

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And if you want to see a sudden hammer that actually was scum-indicative, then look at this one from Gamma:

I moreso meant his comparison of ours and why it caused us to conflict
but I think your post I quoted might explain it just as well, and I'm willing to go with that

VOTE: bugspray
I don't recall anyone else having a reason to wait to end the day

Ejj had just said that I had no chance of being eliminated but they were going to case me, and Gamma comes straight in and hammers. He knows that he needs to be on that wagon if he is to have a chance of surviving to the end.

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As scum I wouldn't have cased Gamma. I would have done what Gamma has done, which is sit back and see who makes the first move. Both of you scumread each other hard Yesterday and I would have had no reason to budge from my position of thinking Lunar is the last scum.

Gamma, on the other hand, deliberately sat back and hoped I'd maintain my position from Yesterday. When he saw that I had changed my mind he immediately SR me in return. This is typical reactive, survivalistic scum LYLO play. I could tell he was scum just by how he reacted to my suspicion.

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And I spent most of the game not only hard-pushing Bugs, but also scumreading Momrangal and saying she was protecting Bugs and most likely their partner. As scum I would have been setting myself up to lose.

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This is pretty interesting, especially should Bugs flip scum:

VOTE: busy

I can hop on that wagon too

Momrangal, who was voting Outworld, puts Bugs on 4 votes, which is clearly leading wagon at this point.

VOTE: outworlder

But this works better. Pressure isn't going to work on that slot I don't think and I would rather push against someone who is more probable scum

Then she immediately switches her vote back to Outworld, who no-one else is voting. This quick vote-switching can be a cheap scum distancing tool.

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Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

I wonder what this'll do

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

I don't see the progression here. One of the people pushing NPOM was Momrangal herself, who gave absolutely no reasoning at all for her vote. Also, one of these 'crappy' pushes against NPOM came from Bugs, who Momrangal seemingly doesn't want to suspect or pressurize.

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Frogster, NPOM
Outworld
Lunar

Gamma
Galron
Grendel

Trendall
Momrangal

Bugs

Sorting GGG is probably the key to this game.

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If you have any questions to ask that will help you read me correctly then I'm happy to answer anything.

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A third example of Town!me suddenly hammering a player without giving intent:

viewtopic.php?p=11291466#p11291466

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Yet another example:

viewtopic.php?p=10032737#p10032737

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And another:

viewtopic.php?p=11395087#p11395087

So hopefully we can move past this issue now.

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If anything it's probably more town-indicative of me to hammer suddenly, as I tend to be more careful as scum.

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In addition Luca trying to say I

should

be arguing his hammer was scummy looks like trying to double-talk, given his insistence his quickhammers are a towntell.

That's not what I said.

I said even you aren't saying the hammer on ejj was scummy, as you're experienced enough to know that.

And I'm not insisting that it's a towntell, I'm insisting it's not a scumtell, and I've backed that up with plenty of evidence. The hammer on ejj was completely NAI, but generally speaking I'd probably be more cautious as scum than to suddenly hammer.

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Because Lunar scumreads me, and stated they are close to voting me, because of the hammer. It's pretty reasonable that I would do all I can to show them the hammer isn't scum-indicative.

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Prod dodge - waiting for the above to happen.

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Gamma knows I’m not scum and is finding it hard to fabricate a convincing case against me. He’d rather just be hammered than spend time and effort making a case only to lose anyway.

He was banking on me voting Lunar as I had said i would on day 5, and wasn’t prepared to 1v1 me instead.

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Dude, you were scum in that game you linked.

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That's irrelevant. Your play in LYLO that game was similar to your play here.

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You weren't wrong

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You did well to get as far as you did imo

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Sorry about the shenanigans with stating intent on you today Luca. I was concerned that neither of you was really Towntelling, so while I thought it had to be Gamma I wanted to put pressure on you and see if you obvTowned. You pretty much did. I gave Gamma the same chance, and he didn't. I think both sides played pretty well, but I think if not for a few gambits run by Town, it could have been an even cleaner win for Town.

No problem, it was a good strategy on your part.

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Thanks
But honestly Lunar is surprisingly good as town

Yes, Lunar is one of the better new players I've seen on the site recently as both alignments. I was paranoid of them as they played well as scum in a previous game with me where I didn't suspect them at all until the end.

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GG everyone. A couple of mistakes using PR's, but otherwise a very good Town performance, and a decent effort from scum as well.

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Can the Mafia and Hood pt’s be released now @Mod?

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Seriously if there are two scum in here, I just give up now. I don't know how Luca can even suggest such a thing.