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[Ythan]

Like looking at that a50 post Luca's take is obscenely bad.

[Ythan]

jjh927: The only good thing in this iso is the part where he tries to figure out Titus. Their reads suck: They are wormhole tier and are better served upside down, but their individual play and pushing of the LLD/Titus wagons pushes them up to wormhole tier.

So I'm looking deeper into this jjh wagon and this is a bad start. I don't think this paragraph is true at all and there's nothing following it that makes the vote more palatable.

[Cephrir]

I kinda regret that already

What do you want to do?

I'm not sure. :/

[Ythan]

Oka explicitly just sheeping Dunn.

[Ythan]

VOTE: jjh i do not townread this slot

Then this

[Ythan]

And now a regretful Ceph. Eh.

[Luca Blight]

I'll sit and nod at being voted for my toxicity in that interaction but anyone building reads on thinking a50 is trying is full of shit.

He's clearly trying? Obviously that doesn't mean he's necessarily town, but I'm not sure how you can deny that.

In his previous scum game I played with him he was literally like 'I don't know who to SR, just elim me instead', so this is an immense display of effort compared to that.

[Ythan]

Yeah this jjh wagon is a shitty wagon I'm calling it.

[innocentvillager]

i think {OkaPoka, mastina, A50, Dunnstral, AGar, Winter} is more likely to be town than the list of everyone else and that's essentially where im at in reads

why most of these?
(i agree on Mastina/Dunn)

AGar we've talked about before 2821, 2833, 2845, 2848, 2850 and I don't necessarily see any reasons to change my current evaluation of him as it stands. He has kind of continued the activity and direct/confrontational posting on D2 that I felt I saw towards EOD1. With DGB's townflip and SirCakez from its team leaning town on AGar (having hard-caught scum!AGar recently), that gives me a little bit more confidence on AGar as well

I am definitely open to re-evaluating him, are there specific things I should look at?

Winter I've talked about

OkaPoka - Oka feels kind of like me this game, in that if he is scum, he has been faking all the highs and lows of the deadline scramble, being present when it's urgent, and actively pushing the town to be productive at times when it felt pretty natural to do so. His confidence and excitement on pushing DGB especially when the major wagons we've revealed have all been town feels like an unnecessary amount of weight to be putting behind an elimination, although I'll admit that this could be agenda-motivated because without him DGB probably doesn't become a wagon so maybe NAI. I feel like Oka is more of a town player from his style and I don't believe he can deepwolf this convincingly as scum (if I'm wrong, please link me a game and let me know), nor is he as incentivized to anymore with his team already losing Black Flag. If he's scum I'm kind of fine letting him keep being himself and just get more readable over time. But I'm also open to reconsidering here that he's for some reason decided to effort and play the deepwolf here.

A50 - mostly a tonal read and my teammate Gypyx thinks he can read A50 reasonably well and also thinks he's town. I think the increased urgency of A50 as we go into D2 with 3 townflips with all the varied, urgent thoughts he is putting out seems town!indicative. My experience with scum!A50 is that he kind of fades into the background and I remember lol!writing him off as town because it looked like he was just doing his own thing the whole game. The crux of the A50 scumgame from what I remember is looking busy and that's not at all what I'm seeing when he's engaged with thread. I am also open to re-evaluating here because I don't know if I put that much stock into my half-hearted meta.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah this jjh wagon is a shitty wagon I'm calling it.

Who do you think we should be voting?

[OkaPoka]

alright ythan, do you agree there are a lot of bad slots this game that need purging?

[Ythan]

OkaPoka - Oka feels kind of like me this game, in that if he is scum, he has been faking all the highs and lows of the deadline scramble, being present when it's urgent, and actively pushing the town to be productive at times when it felt pretty natural to do so.

Am I too high that this looks like you're just casually talking about being scum rn

[innocentvillager]

OkaPoka - Oka feels kind of like me this game, in that if he is scum, he has been faking all the highs and lows of the deadline scramble, being present when it's urgent, and actively pushing the town to be productive at times when it felt pretty natural to do so.

Am I too high that this looks like you're just casually talking about being scum rn

that wasn't the intention

I'm saying like, I definitely cannot fake the posting energy that I believe I or OkaPoka have had this game, and that I don't think he can either.

[Ythan]

Yeah this jjh wagon is a shitty wagon I'm calling it.

Who do you think we should be voting?

I think it's pretty obvious I'm doing some reading right now to settle that but maybe that's asking too much.

[Ythan]

alright ythan, do you agree there are a lot of bad slots this game that need purging?

It's not constructive to say there's a lot it's better to focus on the worst ones.

[innocentvillager]

I'll add to my A50 TR that I thought him not realizing the SK thing is potentially +town and at worst NAI (it definitely felt like a real misunderstanding), and that his aggressive impatience at me only addressing myself and not the game is real annoyance at what he views as unproductive discourse, which to me also feels +town

[Ythan]

I'll add to my A50 TR that I thought him not realizing the SK thing is potentially +town and at worst NAI (it definitely felt like a real misunderstanding), and that his aggressive impatience at me only addressing myself and not the game is real annoyance at what he views as unproductive discourse, which to me also feels +town

I've asked him repeatedly to tell me whether realizing he was wrong has influenced any of his reads about any single thing but he keeps ignoring it so he can eat rope until he becomes useful.

[OkaPoka]

sure a50 might have dumbtold but the insistence at some point just cant be real right

anyways thats where am i at

[innocentvillager]

sure a50 might have dumbtold but the insistence at some point just cant be real right

why not? at what point was did it not feel real? you mentioned he was trolling, why was it trolling?

I actually can see how someone might glaze over the "14 town 4 mafia" quote quickly and not realize that implies no SK, even if it seems too dense to be a thing

doesn't mean A50 is dumb, we all make mistakes I'd probably do something dumb like that too

[Ythan]

Okay analyzing the Titus wagon means opening Mastina's iso so I'm gonna take a break for a minute first.

[OkaPoka]

sure a50 might have dumbtold but the insistence at some point just cant be real right

why not? at what point was did it not feel real? you mentioned he was trolling, why was it trolling?

I actually can see how someone might glaze over the "14 town 4 mafia" quote quickly and not realize that implies no SK, even if it seems too dense to be a thing

doesn't mean A50 is dumb, we all make mistakes I'd probably do something dumb like that too

because he is still mad at ythan for saying its information instead of analysis? like he's still confused why ythan was telling him 14 town 4 mafia

[innocentvillager]

purely imo, ive also found town dumbtell more often than scum because the common attitude towards dumbtells are "nah, don't fake dumbtells it's scummy" and they don't often get actually townread

i don't believe A50 tries to fake a dumbtell here like this

and no i do not have a research paper as a source or anything other than my limited anecdotal experience so take it for what you will (fine if it's nothing)

[OkaPoka]

so why is a50 still voting ythan?

[innocentvillager]

@a50 do you believe there is a chance of an sk?

As I said, it's 90% a Vig vs 10% SK to me. If it ain't banned by the rules it is still possible. It's just improbable.

Where in the mod provided number of 14 town would you slot the SK?

OK, so it's confirmed there's no SK in this game. We just had a bad Vig shot, and I am recommending they stop shooting TPRs.

i thought he admitted it here

[OkaPoka]

yeah so why is a50 still voting ythan

do you remember why he originally voted ythan?

it doesnt make sense