Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Green Crayons]

Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.

I'm down to wagon GC.

Do you need something?

Why are you posting regularly in other games but not here?

Why did you ignore my request for some reads?

Because I didn't see it.

This game isn't interesting right now

Reads: Green Crayons, Reformed Toxic Player for town

Scumreads: Not really sure, Elements was/is being weird, Testarossa I understand little of what is going on in her head despite her posts and it feels like she's said less than she has

VOTE: Testarossa

am i being trolled?

[Green Crayons]

at the same time, it's the exact same feeling i was getting the last game. hell.

what is this referring to?

[Green Crayons]

and keep my vote on Italiano for now

Italiano: Still didn't do much useful, and

seems to have a fixation on arguing with Duchess

? Scum lean.

Curious how you see the bolded as AI, and what differentiates VD from me in terms of our interaction with Duchess.

[Green Crayons]

Tess is weirdly avoiding this game too, yeah?

Active elsewhere?

Is she usually an active player?

[Green Crayons]

^^^ or something else? Clarify "weirdly"

[VP Baltar]

If I'm being honest VP I am also leaning scum on you so it'd be good if you could sorta try to dialogue a bit with me to help ascertain my read there on you.

I am always open to chat. I feel like I've directed questions at you, as per above.

[VP Baltar]

Tess is weirdly avoiding this game too, yeah?

Active elsewhere?

Is she usually an active player?

I haven't checked if she is posting elsewhere. In the game we played together previously, she was relatively active at least once a RL day.

Mostly I'm calling it out because I don't like people thinking they can just hang out in the periphery of a game. Holding people accountable to post is how we get content that forces scum into the open, imo.

[OutWorldER]

Searching for a replacement for Lunar Martian

[OutWorldER]

midwaybear replaces Lunar Martian! Make sure to welcome them!

[Reformed Toxic Player]

nice. a good replacement.

[midwaybear]

Hello ^ I think I know who you are
I read through Lunar's iso before I replaced and he seemed townie enough.
I probably will skim through the game later.

[VP Baltar]

Hey midway!

[Datisi]

right.

also, to datisi, can you elaborate why you think italiano is still scum here since you had voted him? What has specifically not been different or was the original conviction strong enough that you dont think their recent postings aren't better here for you?

first i saw him suspicious because of 232. more specifically, the first response in the post seemed like a vast exaggeration of duchess's "defense", where any mention of italiano was being made out to be a defense.

the "if you FoSed us both, why would you be against a push on me" argument was... bad. it rang as a """logical""" argument that scum pushes on someone because on level-zero, it shows a "contradiction" in their thinking. like nobody actually solves early on day one thinking about preflip in a way where they wouldn't probe something because a scumlean is attacking a different scumlean.

i'm not sure i get the second part? like he hasn't done anything to improve his own slot. the knee-jerk reaction "oh look duchess counterwagon" but then not actually having a scumread on me nor lotus rung me as gut-scummy, and the questions in 242 felt almost... loaded? like sure i was the first vote on duchess, ok? i at the time didn't lay out my reasoning for a vote switch, ok, and? that makes me scummy because ... ?

the return with the unvote on duchess is like... bleh. i think it makes sense from scum who wanted to push a townie, but in the meantime others gave up on that push / they started being townier, and now they don't have the ~safety~ of a wagon, don't know how to push it well alone, and are forced to reevaluate. though i'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt and wait until he returns with whatever he's gonna return with, until that time i'm comfortable on this wagon.

specifically from this point, what have you learned thus far from your push on italiano? has it clarified your read on them/the state around them? interested in your thoughts on this.

i didn't like his reaction to my naked vote, and the slot hasn't improved imo. not sure what you mean by state around them, i was never the one to do preflip/gamestate at this stage of the game (or like, anywhere in d1). err, he's not scum with duchess, probably not scum with whoever unvoted duchess prior to his unvote.

ok, now why do you find him town, and how has this response helped/influenced your read on the game?

[Datisi]

at the same time, it's the exact same feeling i was getting the last game. hell.

what is this referring to?

last game i played w andres, where we were t/t. i had a scumread/tunnel on him for the entire time that i was alive. i'm noting that i had a ~gut-scumread~ on andres here when reading his post that felt exactly like the ones i had in that game, where it was wrong. it's confusing.

talk to me about your vote on dunn?

also hi midway!!

[midwaybear]

Hi VP Baltar
Hi Datisi

It's interesting how three people decided to reply in some form to VPB's friendly neighbor comment. In general, I would expect scum to be more motivated to engage with that. It's still page 1, so it's possible it was just RVS fun but it is still a thought.

24 I think there are two interpretations for Duchess's 23, but neither of them seem townie. Originally, I don't think I would have townread it because it's pretty easy for mafia to ask those question. Also, I do remember in Open 805, RLotus shot godfather Duchess. I feel like if you roll scum with someone who recently caught you, your first instinct is to try to pocket or at least interact with them more.
Why is this town?

31 Elements saying this umprompted seems townie.
33 Hmm

Given that Elements caught scum Italiano without any meta, I'm wondering why Italiano wasn't more suspicious of elements for saying that meta was required to make a readlist.

62 Good q
69 What is the exaggeration? I don't even find that particularly aggressive.
72 Sort of townie from Italiano. I don't think he thinks of that reason to vote VPB as scum.

Duchess's progression from 90-92 reads genuine. There's a possibility I naturally scumread that style.

From the first four pages, I am townleaning Elements and Italiano.

[ItalianoVD]

italiano who would you vote for if you had to vote somewhere?

I’ve reread the game

Limpool {RLotus, Lunar, Green Crayons, Baltar}

Townleaning {RTP, Andres, Duchess??)

Everyone else is pretty null

So what I did irt to the Green/Duchess interaction is I read both sides as different alignments and Duchess was the most likely town between the two. In a t/s connection I couldn’t see Duchess as scum and Green as town. It could be a t/t connection, but after rereading the interaction multiple times, I feel like Duchess was more pure than Green was, so would town . It also isn’t that likely it’s a s/s bus connection on Day 1, so...

VOTE: Green Crayons

Although I’d be okay with anyone within my limpool.

[VP Baltar]

It's interesting how three people decided to reply in some form to VPB's friendly neighbor comment. In general, I would expect scum to be more motivated to engage with that.

Big town points for being inside my head.

[VP Baltar]

I thought I was a reaction test for you, Italiano? I'm def scum now?

[midwaybear]

104 I see where Datisi is coming from with this read. I definitely noticed that some of Duchess's questions seem unhelpful and more "for show". I also think Datisi plays like this sometimes too which is also interesting.
105 I don't like how VPB decides to comment that it is a spicy take without any follow up. I think scum are more likely to do that, and if VPB is scum, it probably indicates Datisi/Duchess t/t.

I ask because I want a response, not necessarily an answer.

What does this mean?

112 This feels like a really safe way to present a vote. Scummy. "Uh", "for lack of any clearly better options"
130 Harumi continues this sort of safe approach to Italiano, and it's starting to become more questionable than scummy.

No opinion on Duchess/GC. I'm finding it a little difficult to follow their interactions regarding Italiano.

158 Example of a question from Datisi that I feel isn't particularly helpful.
RTP, why did you ignore VPB asking you about GC's cagey reads?

I gotta say I'm not at all comfortable being in the middle of this Duchess/Green Crayons thing, lol. Like yikes, I don't like what I say to be a basis to read someone else off when it wasn't my intention to do so. If this is theatre please choose something else to fight over and leave me out of it and if you're town then just drop it, it's not that serious.

Why is this uncomfortable to you? I think this happens relatively often in games, and this reads like an unnatural thought.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I did answer later in the thread, you may have missed it @midway

also im like feeling unsure if im on the right track wrt universes but like my gut strongly makes me feel like andres is scum here.

[RLotus]

italiano who would you vote for if you had to vote somewhere?

I’ve reread the game

Limpool {RLotus, Lunar, Green Crayons, Baltar}

Townleaning {RTP, Andres, Duchess??)

Everyone else is pretty null

So what I did irt to the Green/Duchess interaction is I read both sides as different alignments and Duchess was the most likely town between the two. In a t/s connection I couldn’t see Duchess as scum and Green as town. It could be a t/t connection, but after rereading the interaction multiple times, I feel like Duchess was more pure than Green was, so would town . It also isn’t that likely it’s a s/s bus connection on Day 1, so...

VOTE: Green Crayons

Although I’d be okay with anyone within my limpool.

Why do you think tvs is more likely than tvt? Does your read of GC go beyond the relation between him and Duchess?

[Green Crayons]

It's interesting how three people decided to reply in some form to VPB's friendly neighbor comment. In general, I would expect scum to be more motivated to engage with that. It's still page 1, so it's possible it was just RVS fun but it is still a thought.

Can you explain this?

[midwaybear]

Can you explain this?

I think mentioning PR early on is more likely to pique scum's interest than town's.

[midwaybear]

I have caught up to page 10, and I probably won't go any further. Hopefully, I'll be able to find some one to vote tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

If I'm being honest VP I am also leaning scum on you so it'd be good if you could sorta try to dialogue a bit with me to help ascertain my read there on you.

I am always open to chat. I feel like I've directed questions at you, as per above.

You going to reply to this line of questioning you started RTP?