Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Datisi]

that is literally how ico talks??? and it's one of those things i highly doubt scum!ico posts blatantly like that because it begs to get pushed over for it?

like it's absolutely not scum!indicative

[Infinity 324]

Actually, datisi, I need you to elaborate on your sechyd read. At the end of d1 you still seemed open to the possibility that they could be scum, and now you strongly believe that they're not even SK? And what about the gypyx head, which you had concerns about earlier?

[Infinity 324]

i actually think i overestimated the riskiness of a tracker claim, i think it can be fake, and i know i have always trouble with exeing pr claims, so like, would be appricated if you actually played the game ben, sorry if you're busy or anything

More scumposting

[implosion]

Stupidly I think 2441 is actually a decently good reason to townread sechyd on its own.

I don't agree with infinity that sechyd is likely scum at this point (I think they definitely could still be SK but I disagree that there's any reason to go out of our way to SK hunt today), I think that post Infinity linked looks... really quite town for ico. But I'm not sure what Infinity's scum-motivation for doing this push would be and why Datisi is snap voting him here? There's basically a chorus calling sechyd town and I'm not sure why scum-infinity would go against that or at least I'm not sure why Datisi immediately thinks it's worth a vote.

VOTE: Penguin

[implosion]

The push also made me want to TR shirou, which could've been (part of) the intended effect

This seems... almost conspiratorial.

[implosion]

no one cares that there was no scum kill last night?

Kind of a weird conclusion to draw with any confidence.

The implication here is that we should be talking about it more. What do you want to say about it?

it was a question...hence the ?

you may add a "does" at the start if you would like.

If the collective answer is "no, no one does" then what do you get out of that answer? Or like, what do you get out of asking this question regardless of the answer? Isn't it natural for town in the beginning of a day like this to be much more interested in having a scum flip to work with than wondering why there's no scum kill?

[read: these are questions to the masses more so than penguin]

[PenguinPower]

is it?

[implosion]

it is.

[PenguinPower]

hmmm

[PenguinPower]

{Best Bird}

{Not_Mafia, Schiavetto, }

{Bridgeburners, Datisi}

{Something_Smart}

{Petapan, seCret hYdra}

{Isis, Infinity 324}

{Implosion}

{}

[Bridgeburners]

okay, how does me being wrong on a read make me scum

This isnt what i'm accusing u of and i'm like >95% sure you know that

I'm saying the read was bad, not that the read was wrong. The fact that the read was wrong was incidental

~ skitteR

no i really don't understand

why was it bad. what does that mean, exactly. why does it make me scum. try to explain this because you really haven't

Your vote/read on aaron looked incidental and like you didnt particularly believe it - but rather like you felt like you could join the push on him without generating too much suspicion

Your main reasons for voting him, as best as i can tell, was that he was underwhelming and didnt towntell enuf. (Not that he was particularly scummy, mind you, but rather that he wasnt really townie) + you just piggybacked off of dats' reason for scumreading him

It looked like you didnt actually scumread him, bit rather that it was a convenient push for you to have. I called you out on this at the time, but never really got a satisfactory answer

Also, implosion was being wagoned for really similar reasons but you wouldnt touch that wagon and the inconsistency still doesn't make sense to me either

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

they attacked shirou early after his replace in although looking back it's not as strong as i thought and they reached a detente with him so it's kind of meh, but the 1140 i didn't like yesterday is the start of the argument with him and i think they look better in light of the flip? my inclination is to say he doesn't attack his teammate right away when no one else is.

Again i literally cited this post as a reason to townread him a week ago and you complained at the time

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

Despite his bad takes i kinda thinj infinity is town

~skitter

[Bridgeburners]

no one cares that there was no scum kill last night?

I mean i kinda talked abt it but i cant really draw a conclusion with the information i have

~ skitter

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE: ok

[Bridgeburners]

Sorry, what prompted the unvote?

~ skitteR

[Infinity 324]

Other people thinking I'm being dumb

I need to realize when I'm totally on the wrong track

[Infinity 324]

Skitter why do you TR me?

[Bridgeburners]

It looks like u have real, nuanced thoughts (tm) + you feel like the town!infinity i have seen in the past

~ skitter

[Infinity 324]

That's such a meh read

[implosion]

What are your thoughts on me currently, infinity?

[petapan]

Your vote/read on aaron looked incidental and like you didnt particularly believe it - but rather like you felt like you could join the push on him without generating too much suspicion

Your main reasons for voting him, as best as i can tell, was that he was underwhelming and didnt towntell enuf. (Not that he was particularly scummy, mind you, but rather that he wasnt really townie) + you just piggybacked off of dats' reason for scumreading him

It looked like you didnt actually scumread him, bit rather that it was a convenient push for you to have. I called you out on this at the time, but never really got a satisfactory answer

Also, implosion was being wagoned for really similar reasons but you wouldnt touch that wagon and the inconsistency still doesn't make sense to me either

~ skitteR

i addressed all of this already and you're just repeating the same things at me verbatim, you just want to paint a narrative and don't care about anything i'm actually saying

"underwhelming" was not a reason i was voting aaronfrost, i thought his posts had a tendency toward IIoA-y filler that you sometimes see from newbscum, there was a few instances where he made fencesitty statements that seemed to comment on current events without taking a stance, he seemed afraid to push people. it was wrong. doesn't matter, i really believed in it.

in fact i searched my goddamn iso and YOU have been the one accusing ME of being scum for being "underwhelming" this entire time, you're projecting right now - like, "underwhelming and didnt towntell enuf" is the basis of YOUR SCUMREAD OF ME. what a load of crap.

where is this assumption that i'm latching on solely out of convenience coming from? i legitimately believed in the read, just as much as i believed ben's claim was fake. i mean, the thing is, i probably WOUD have argued the same case as scum, because that was my scumread prior to replacing into the game. i would have been coming from a place of legitimate conviction regardless. i don't have trouble faking conviction, trying to argue that is stupid! and regardless, i DID really believe it, claiming i didn't is just narrativism on your part

none of this, NONE OF IT, is a good explanation for my read being "bad" and making me scum somehow. it's complete BS.

again, i did not feel the reasons for scumreading aaron and implosion were remotely similar. i pulled the posts on implosion and said i did not thnk the case against him was very good. i think if you actually cared about reading into what people were saying you would see these reasons weren't really at all similar - schiavetto was making points that he found specific implosion posts scummy, but other people were just agreeing/following along because they didn't find him particularly town, i guess.

(and for all i know, my reads could be dead wrong, and implo is actually scum. doesn't matter! with the reasons being what they were at the time, i made a decision based on available information and i think the arguments being made were very tangibly different and arguing otherwise is flying in the face of reality)

they attacked shirou early after his replace in although looking back it's not as strong as i thought and they reached a detente with him so it's kind of meh, but the 1140 i didn't like yesterday is the start of the argument with him and i think they look better in light of the flip? my inclination is to say he doesn't attack his teammate right away when no one else is.

Again i literally cited this post as a reason to townread him a week ago and you complained at the time

~ skitteR

okay? i was wrong and reevaluated in light of the flip. not hard to understand if you're not trying to go for easy points on me. like, seriously. i interpreted things one way at the time and when presented with information that showed one of my assumptions is wrong, i went back and re-evaluated. anyone would do the same, it's not scummy

[Infinity 324]

What are your thoughts on me currently, infinity?

Lean town ig

[Bridgeburners]

That's such a meh read

That's alright

Peta i'll answer after my vla; fridays are a bit hard for me :/

Have a great weekend y'all

~ skitteR

[implosion]

{Best Bird}

{Not_Mafia, Schiavetto, }

{Bridgeburners, Datisi}

{Something_Smart}

{Petapan, seCret hYdra}

{Isis, Infinity 324}

{Implosion}

{}

I don't understand what you have against names that start with I.