Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Isis]

scum would have won ss3 if the setup was balanced

? I had, like, the worst reads of any townie and I had decent reads

i'm a pretty bad actress when the setup doesn't let me pick my own lines

[Isis]

i'm probably a lot more complacent about this game than i should be

i just kind of want to convince people not to touch peta schiavetto and S_S. and probably infinity too

and I don't understand the dice game fully but there's probably enough PR stuff that this is auto after that. Even if I'm mislimmed i think

that's probably not rational and i can't actually guarantee that people sheep those reads, and can't guarantee they're correct. but, i don't know, for some reason i feel complacent about this game. i'm only alive in one ongoing game. i am winning lots of advance wars games tho so maybe i'm self actualizing too much off of that

[Isis]

WAHT IF

I sort datisi

just for sport

[Isis]

Datisi why have you accepted my proxy reading secHyd all game

[Isis]

i think Datisi's infinity push looks.. underpostured? like how could Datisi draw an expectation that he could look good from it as scum. I think it actually is best characterized as scum if it's SvS. He knows know one will be sympathetic to the reasoning. Infinity has been kind popular all game. also it's predictable that Infinity has a nonzero chance to omgus it.

Does it really make sense?

[Isis]

scumtisi should push someone like me here today

[PenguinPower]

{Best Bird}

{Not_Mafia, Schiavetto}

{Bridgeburners, Datisi}

{Something_Smart}

{Petapan, Infinity 324}

{Isis, seCret hYdra}

{Implosion}

{}

[Isis]

why don't you townread peta?

[Bridgeburners]

Because your SRs (peta and now sechyd) are on slots that I think would seem pushable to scum but aren't being scumread by other people

I think that's at least at little +scum

i mean ... don't you think i would push people who would, like, have a chance of getting flipped? what's the point of pushing the slot that literally everyone says isn't partnered with the flipped scum

and, like, do you think his posting this evening was good?

i'm actually gonna vote him, it's literally that bad VOTE: sechyd

[Infinity 324]

i think Datisi's infinity push looks.. underpostured? like how could Datisi draw an expectation that he could look good from it as scum

I agree with this I think

PEdit: I think the hydra had significantly worse posts on d1

[Bridgeburners]

i think Datisi's infinity push looks.. underpostured? like how could Datisi draw an expectation that he could look good from it as scum. I think it actually is best characterized as scum if it's SvS. He knows know one will be sympathetic to the reasoning. Infinity has been kind popular all game. also it's predictable that Infinity has a nonzero chance to omgus it.

Does it really make sense?

can you say this again in other words? i don't really know what this means

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

PEdit: I think the hydra had significantly worse posts on d1

ok so what's your opinion on his posts from this evening?

[Infinity 324]

PEdit: I think the hydra had significantly worse posts on d1

ok so what's your opinion on his posts from this evening?

Nothing is jumping out at me as super AI, what don't you like about them

[PenguinPower]

why don't you townread peta?

I don’t have a reason to.

[Bridgeburners]

- uh his vote on us is literally the prototypical scum vibe of: oh a nice wagon is formingi think i can slip on with no prior reasoning!!1!

- he's trying to degrade/undermine the reasoning you're giving for *not* joining my wagon when he doesn't really have a reason to be voting me other than the newfound 'gutpings'

- trying to undermine me noting that ss/shirou are probably not aligned (but isn't complaining when similar reasoning is being used to 'clear' his slot via anti-associatives)

- fence-sitting on implo

- posits that me and peta could be scum together

- tone is icky

like literally every post he made on the prior page is bad ^

~ skitter

mena also doesn't like his scumread of his half of the hydra

[Infinity 324]

A wagon is forming on you? You only have 2 votes atm

I can see how these things can be interpreted as coming from a scum perspective, but the way they were presented felt believable as a town stream-of-consciousness so it didn't feel scummy idk

[Bridgeburners]

iirc he was the fourth just after isis did it but maybe i miscounted

i think these things are all together like, really scummy

~ skitter

[PenguinPower]

Nah - second. Peta unvoted before - you voted right after that unvote.

[Bridgeburners]

ok fair enuf

either way i think the vote is bad, unjustified, and bandwagon-y

~ skitter

[PenguinPower]

Not my favorite slot

Still want implosion.

[Something_Smart]

- uh his vote on us is literally the prototypical scum vibe of: oh a nice wagon is formingi think i can slip on with no prior reasoning!!1!

I feel like this is a thing that people get accused of doing far more often than they actually do.

[petapan]

And implosion's progression on Aaron is uhh bad. Townreads him early, doesn't comment for a while, scumreads him for low content, then shifts to him when his wagon starts to develop.

I went and checked and this is actually a good observation - he did a similar maneuver when ben got run up, saying "I actually can't figure out why I thought ben was town" (832) when ben is getting run up and he decides to vote him - it's got a hint of the ol' buzzword,

opportunism

- uh his vote on us is literally the prototypical scum vibe of: oh a nice wagon is formingi think i can slip on with no prior reasoning!!1!

I feel like this is a thing that people get accused of doing far more often than they actually do.

it's a level 0 scumplay, not as common now as it used to be, but gypyx is not great at hiding it still

[petapan]

VOTE: bridgeburners

would love to try and get done with trying to see what's bridge tbh

and off to sleep, sorry y'all

- hYdra

Uh hi .....

Why are you voting me exactly?

sup'

numerous gutpings from both heads

and i'm not seeing towniness from you today, although no pingy stuff so far

- hYdra

to start, this isn't totally inconsistent, iconeum expressed suspicion on bridgeburners day 1 at least a couple times, so it's not a bad progression, but "numerous gutpings" is a pretty weak reason to be voting someone day 2, there's no elaboration on what these are exactly, there's no responding at all to anything skitter has posted today, and there is a lot of content, "no pingy stuff so far" just feels like an excuse to not actually try to say anything is scummy. i would expect someone scumreading bridgeburners to have

something

to say about their argument with me, but, nada. like, does he even care about what they're saying?

I don't understand why I'm not getting ss3 vibes from skitt, but she might still be scum. Idk

Skitt I specifically asked people's opinion on the shirou stuff

why are u looking at ss3 specifically? like, it's not even a "real" scumgame imo

this is attempting to discredit infinity's metaread, i think th reasoning is tenuous, even if scum had to play to a very particular win condition so that their strategy wouldn't necessarily be the same as a normal game, it's still informed vs uninformed, it's not a good reason to write off his read and the attempted dismissal here is too blithe

[snip]

i know i just said that shirou has good associatives but i think this whole thing is anti-partner-y for ss

~ skitter

well, i though 'bout that, and like, the read on s_s is *pretty* far fetched tbh, so like, it could totally be intended i think?

doesn't mean he's scum, but there's a world where he is, and it probably is similar to ours

- hYdra

speaking of trying to expand the poe, this is an example of that: trying to undermine the townreads on s_s off shirou's push of him.

now, the thing is: i considered the possibility that was a bus, it's not too far out there, a teammate makes a fakeclaim that you know will out them eventually, , in most cases you want to make yourself look good after they flip, not too crazy to attack them there. but i think the simpler explanation that shirou wanted to go for the big balls play and get a town tracker yeeted day 1 is more likely, and i think on his own merits s_s has been towny. it's also not worth worrying about because with 1 scum dead, a fakeclaim is likely to run out of room to manuever, and a town tracker probably just gets nk'ed at some point. but the way he expresses this sketchy, like, he wants to plant the possibility there

I just look at Gypyx's posts on the last page and they're all just so lackluster and I really wish I could feel good about that slot being scum :\. I kind of hate specifically-SK hunting as a matter of principal just because I don't think my reads are on average sufficiently good enough for it to be worth it unless SK is the only scum alive and I just do not see the "I thought I would be considered confirmed town" comments + the interactions with Shirou coming from the slot as scum.

need to think about this post tbh, can't decide if it's LAMIST or good stuff

nothing implosion said could be construed as LAMIST, and also it says literally nothing, doesn't really respond to implosion calling his posts lackluster, really just fencesits

how does that vote follow 2655

it doesn't

- hYdra

dude what

wanted to vote brigeboi, but i saw what i pointed out too

it ain't impossible for you both to be scum ya know

i mean this is just absurd to even suggest (unless you want to claim groupscum vs sk, but also: hahahahaha no), but the way he does it is lazy, and like what i was mentioning earlier, he somehow calls off our argument calling me overly emotional (not an unfair assessment tbh), but then somehow votes bridgeburners without mentioning anthing they've said. like, if someone sees their scumread arguing with someone, is this how they respond to it?

If someone could engage me on something specific, that would be great. I need a way to get my head back into the game, and with all the fluff it's been hard.

this post is litterally me tbh

- hYdra

and this is just bad filler

[petapan]

i still sort of want to question datisi, and i feel i shouldn't stand in the doorway on implosion after day 1 but for right now at this moment in time

VOTE: secret hydra

SOLIDARITY

[petapan]

i just kind of want to convince people not to touch peta schiavetto and S_S. and probably infinity too

right now i'm at infinity, schiavetto, S_S, and PP town (cue implosion grumbling), and also, sadly, Not_Mafia and i feel like that's a pretty decent group of townreads?

anyway gonna sleep now