Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Reformed Toxic Player]

RTP is pushing {GC, Elements}, and you RLotus are pushing {VPB, ItalianoVD} while leaving Elements at null and attacking some of the “lurker” slots. Somethings not right. I would gamble Datisi is siding somewhat incorrectly? But is maybe too transparent with their logic and reads for Scum. I also thought Battle Mage was Town and don’t understand the discredit there from RTP.

why is BM town to you?

and ive been doing a lot of reeval over the past 5 or so pages - what you are seeing on your catchup is not accurate to current me.

and please don't try to have a repeat of last game where i literally help get scum d1 and u pivot straight to me for shit reasons.

[RLotus]

Meh. I need to move my vote.

I’ll sit here for now.

VOTE: RLotus

Have you finished catching up?

Not completely. But VPB sounds like Town to me, and your push there seems bad (around 869). If you flip Scum I would flip RTP too actually. You guys seemed overly aligned there for a bit. If VPB is onto something, he’s being sidelined in a rather aggressive way.

Hum well I guess it would be natural for you to have paranoia about me bussing now

Oh I misread RTP as VPB

[Andresvmb]

I’m still some ~300 posts behind so I need more time. I’m going to have to ISO some slots actually.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

This game man. I honestly feel I’m flip flopping a bit hard since I had RTP as my top TR but I feel like Koba would maintain their SR of my slot instead of beginning to reverse it just because I expressed positive feelings there. Where’s the stubborn self-confident Koba I know?

im trying to remove the stubbornness from my play since its been holding me back. its the easiest thing for me to tap into when im scum though - you would know.

[Andresvmb]

why is BM town to you?

They came in and shared my view of Italiano for instance, and I didn’t see that vote hopping and pressure they were doing as coming from Scum. Like pressuring you with a vote and then moving it while asking questions just seemed like Towny behavior in a game that was somewhat stalled.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

actually yeah that makes no sense lol i would be more stubborn as scum

[Reformed Toxic Player]

you saw me flip flop in our last game a lot - i was even then trying to change my stubbornness then.

[Andresvmb]

im trying to remove the stubbornness from my play since its been holding me back. its the easiest thing for me to tap into when im scum though - you would know.

Yeah but it’s how I TR you. It’s much harder to do when you don’t behave stubbornly, and make wild pronouncements. Interestingly I liked that you were posting drunk there for a bit hahaha

[Andresvmb]

you saw me flip flop in our last game a lot - i was even then trying to change my stubbornness then.

Are you sure we’re talking about the same game? Convincing you about Cook was like pulling teeth.

[RLotus]

Italiano's low activity is concerning even after the pressure was let off him

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i was hesitant on RL bc of the change in style from last game but as I understand it it looks like their agenda there was to deepwolf and didnt care about bussing partners for towncred then - this could very well be a different RL here?

what do you think of GC @andres.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

ah fuck it.
ill sheep
VOTE: RL

[Andresvmb]

what do you think of GC @andres.

Ask me questions about individual players once I’m done catching up. That way I can get the context of posts when I ISO. Hard to do if I haven’t caught up completely.

[ItalianoVD]

I’m catching up and I’m more than likely gonna be updating my reads.

@Datisi, I still don’t know what to think of you. Baltar is somewhat clearing you, but I’m not gonna place you both at town just yet. For all I know you’re partners. Just thinking about it most likely not, if anything it’s a t/s connection I don’t know so you stay null. You scumreading me for your reasons are goofy to me, but I’m not gonna change your mind and I’m not gonna try to, I’m gonna move on. Like I told Lotus run my iso back, which gives all my thoughts and reads. If you run it back and still think I’m scum then do your thing.

VOTE: RLotus

[RLotus]

i was hesitant on RL bc of the change in style from last game but as I understand it it looks like their agenda there was to deepwolf and didnt care about bussing partners for towncred then - this could very well be a different RL here?

what do you think of GC @andres.

That's a huge style change if you really believe that, I'll you now that I'm far out of my scum range

[Reformed Toxic Player]

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yeah - it feels as though GC might be whiteknighting elements and setting up elements into me and thats why i backed off - removing elements from the equation does help remove BM from the equation as I thought they had some partnery vibes there too. so im basically back at 1 solid scumread.

[ItalianoVD]

Something doesn’t seem right from RTP from my last interaction.

[ItalianoVD]

Anyway I’ll be on page 39

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i was hesitant on RL bc of the change in style from last game but as I understand it it looks like their agenda there was to deepwolf and didnt care about bussing partners for towncred then - this could very well be a different RL here?

what do you think of GC @andres.

That's a huge style change if you really believe that, I'll you now that I'm far out of my scum range

wanna link your 2-3 most recent scumgames that isnt baby animals?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

im threadspewed by this point clear im pretty sure literally everyone has hard shaded me at this table lmfao.

[Andresvmb]

Another note. VPB and Datisi have a strange connection this game. The most obvious thing is that Datisi followed VPB both to Dunn and to RTP. I've also noticed reading through VPB a couple moments where VPB and Datisi were kind of just assuming each other's alignments, as if they already have knowledge of each other's alignments.

Idk if scum would really make it this obvious their connection to each other. I'm not going to jump to conclusions atm, but it is something interesting to note for later.

this is sorta the place im also looking at if one of GC/Elements ends up being town.
ive basically PoEd it down to 5 names i think. (if i reread both VP/Datisi and they're town that makes it even better)

GC/Elements/BM/VP/Datisi <- this PoE may likely win the game here.

if im FoSing another masonry here imma be big mad tbh. and if i AM please do not assume im scum for it bc i will always fos masons who are bad at pretending uninformed bc yall always play like u got an agenda to save ur mason partners and it makes it harder for town to scumhunt.

Okay if I was going to be critical of any post, it’s this.

There’s absolutely no way you think that POE wins. I don’t believe it for a second. I’m not going to even pretend to have a decent handle on this game. But a 5 person POE at this stage, while already declaring a potential switch onto other players if one of your main SRs flips Town, seems just plain Scummy. And you’re sheeping what me now and abandoning this POE?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Another note. VPB and Datisi have a strange connection this game. The most obvious thing is that Datisi followed VPB both to Dunn and to RTP. I've also noticed reading through VPB a couple moments where VPB and Datisi were kind of just assuming each other's alignments, as if they already have knowledge of each other's alignments.

Idk if scum would really make it this obvious their connection to each other. I'm not going to jump to conclusions atm, but it is something interesting to note for later.

this is sorta the place im also looking at if one of GC/Elements ends up being town.
ive basically PoEd it down to 5 names i think. (if i reread both VP/Datisi and they're town that makes it even better)

GC/Elements/BM/VP/Datisi <- this PoE may likely win the game here.

if im FoSing another masonry here imma be big mad tbh. and if i AM please do not assume im scum for it bc i will always fos masons who are bad at pretending uninformed bc yall always play like u got an agenda to save ur mason partners and it makes it harder for town to scumhunt.

Okay if I was going to be critical of any post, it’s this.

There’s absolutely no way you think that POE wins. I don’t believe it for a second. I’m not going to even pretend to have a decent handle on this game. But a 5 person POE at this stage, while already declaring a potential switch onto other players if one of your main SRs flips Town, seems just plain Scummy. And you’re sheeping what me now and abandoning this POE?

yeah i approached the game wrong. sue me. i wanna be ~thorough~ and new evidence has popped up.

after blatantly misreading me last game u should be more cautious u know?

[RLotus]

i was hesitant on RL bc of the change in style from last game but as I understand it it looks like their agenda there was to deepwolf and didnt care about bussing partners for towncred then - this could very well be a different RL here?

what do you think of GC @andres.

That's a huge style change if you really believe that, I'll you now that I'm far out of my scum range

wanna link your 2-3 most recent scumgames that isnt baby animals?

That was my first one, so I guess you can't confirm this, but I suck at faking conviction when I'm scum. That is why I am so cautious as scum and reckless as town.

[Andresvmb]

VPB and Datisi are not both Scum here. I’m going to go out on a limb and claim that’s impossible based on how they’ve played. GC yeah maybe is Scum, but if they’re not, then what? You agree one of Italiano/Duchess deserves some scrutiny then right? But no mention of that? I’m not following.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

you've never played on other sites? like this is your first time venturing into mafia?