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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 1495, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1493, Datisi wrote:
In post 1488, Battle Mage wrote:Show me where I've treated anyone "shitty" or been "disrespectful" - otherwise, face your demise for flagrant scummy opportunism!
how is he being opportunistic?
trying to get me and rtp to clash again because potentially we are both town and it means a scum elim is less likely. slimy tactics, but GC plays to win no matter what.

gimme a snap BM-read btw?
don't really see it. i skipped pretty much all your and rtp posts from last night because i was not in the headspace to read that, but i did actually go back to see, and threatening policy is like... not very nice?

(also i see there's stuff potentially brewing rn and i'd ask you to Not escalate)

snap bm-read bm probtown as i've said before?
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:30 am

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#1500 nice
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 am

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this day should have ended ages ago. wtf are we doing
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 am

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BM-to-English translation:

1. you were already voting RTP so i don't need to encourage you to vote. also i was explaining why i was seeing RTP's emotional response as NAI, because his frustration seemed genuine about a non-game issue, so i don't know how that leads to whatever you're saying.

2. that's mean.
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:40 am

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In post 1500, Datisi wrote:
In post 1495, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1493, Datisi wrote:
In post 1488, Battle Mage wrote:Show me where I've treated anyone "shitty" or been "disrespectful" - otherwise, face your demise for flagrant scummy opportunism!
how is he being opportunistic?
trying to get me and rtp to clash again because potentially we are both town and it means a scum elim is less likely. slimy tactics, but GC plays to win no matter what.

gimme a snap BM-read btw?
don't really see it. i skipped pretty much all your and rtp posts from last night because i was not in the headspace to read that, but i did actually go back to see, and threatening policy is like... not very nice?

(also i see there's stuff potentially brewing rn and i'd ask you to Not escalate)

snap bm-read bm probtown as i've said before?
it wasn't a threat - it was a commitment. I have been in dozens of games here where i get talked to like shit and I respond in kind and it ends badly and in a way which is really harmful to everyone's enjoyment of the game. I'm trying to be more disciplined nowadays with an approach something like:

A. Just try and ignore it.
B. If it's becoming a significant issue for the game, call it out and ask for it to stop.
C. If it continues, try and detach from the situation.

I'm unapologetic about the fact I play mafia to have fun, and if anybody is being a jerk and won't desist, I'll factor that in to my decisions about elimming players. I suppose "policy" isn't the right phrase, as it implies something about the player, rather than their behaviour.

I'm disappointed there isn't more of a supportive culture on MS about people standing up for themselves, but that's by the by. From my perspective, and as is quite apparent from RTP's gracious apology, the issue was not caused by me and I responded in a calm way to diffuse the situation. Ultimately, I don't want to see personal shit, grudges or anything else unrelated to the game, in the game.
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:42 am

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In post 1503, Green Crayons wrote:BM-to-English translation:

1. you were already voting RTP so i don't need to encourage you to vote. also i was explaining why i was seeing RTP's emotional response as NAI, because his frustration seemed genuine about a non-game issue, so i don't know how that leads to whatever you're saying.

2. that's mean.
The situation with RTP was settled, and you tried to instigate conflict for no apparent reason. I don't know what's mean, and I genuinely don't want to know. Can we get back to either discussing people to elim, or just elimming someone with the info we have so we can move the game on?
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:44 am

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When I get into 1v1s and eventually find the other person town, I usually look for people being opportunistic because 1v1s are an easy spot to get a mislim. Andre was the most apparently doing that to me. How I would describe their stance of me is not confident in me being scum, yet sturdy in their position. Also, I guess I just have a bad vibe on him.

I echo the sentiment about not really being confident in my scum. I mean everyone outside of my townreads don't have a lot of content or interactions to draw reads from. Normally I want more meat in my reads to have confidence, but at this point it is kinda just rolling the dice shooting into my POE.

I will say having everyone that has been majorly active as town gives me some doubt. BM I have the least reason to townread. I don't really feel it though.
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:45 am

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BM, my guy. i was responding to Baltar asking me about RTP's emotional response to you. I would prefer that you and RTP don't keep it up.

I'm still here on RTP. Come back. It's warm and cozy. Or how about maxwell for lazily riding RTP's coattails in pushing a GC vote on weaksauce theory, after RTP early called his slot town.
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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:47 am

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i sorta feel like if scum was amongst the more active players, they would be more co-ordinated? it's a strange game-state - not really conducive to good scumhunting for town, but also lots of content with no real direction towards an elim which is potentially worrying for scum.
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:53 am

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BM, why do you want to hold off on midwaybear but have a bad feeling about them?
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:55 am

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do i want to hold off on midwaybear? i'd consider that
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:57 am

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I'm going by memory but I recall you saying something to that effect. I'd also be alright with midwaybear
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:00 pm

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In post 1507, Green Crayons wrote:BM, my guy. i was responding to Baltar asking me about RTP's emotional response to you. I would prefer that you and RTP don't keep it up.

I'm still here on RTP. Come back. It's warm and cozy. Or how about maxwell for lazily riding RTP's coattails in pushing a GC vote on weaksauce theory, after RTP early called his slot town.
this post doesn't make sense to me here -> are you trying to claim maxwell/me are SvT? or what? bc you're implying im getting pocketed by maxwell by this, yet I moved off of you so im not following that path rn.
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:01 pm

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okey doke
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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:02 pm

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In post 1505, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1503, Green Crayons wrote:BM-to-English translation:

1. you were already voting RTP so i don't need to encourage you to vote. also i was explaining why i was seeing RTP's emotional response as NAI, because his frustration seemed genuine about a non-game issue, so i don't know how that leads to whatever you're saying.

2. that's mean.
The situation with RTP was settled, and you tried to instigate conflict for no apparent reason. I don't know what's mean, and I genuinely don't want to know. Can we get back to either discussing people to elim, or just elimming someone with the info we have so we can move the game on?
its not really settled if you're still pushing me with intent to grudge vote me. I gave you like multiple chances and you're still not engaging and just pushing me for the sake of pushing and not trying to solve outside.
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:03 pm

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I'm just ignoring you mostly now because it feels like talking to a wall at this point plus your non game related comment about gender kinda made me personally not want to talk to you more.
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:03 pm

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im not even voting you dude, what are you on about?
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 pm

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In post 1512, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
In post 1507, Green Crayons wrote:BM, my guy. i was responding to Baltar asking me about RTP's emotional response to you. I would prefer that you and RTP don't keep it up.

I'm still here on RTP. Come back. It's warm and cozy. Or how about maxwell for lazily riding RTP's coattails in pushing a GC vote on weaksauce theory, after RTP early called his slot town.
this post doesn't make sense to me here -> are you trying to claim maxwell/me are SvT? or what? bc you're implying im getting pocketed by maxwell by this, yet I moved off of you so im not following that path rn.
yes implying s/t here, not pocketing bc you already called his slot obvtown a million years ago so just playing to keep that read

forgot you had unvoted me so theory is a little less valid.
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 pm

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Because you're saying GC is being opportunistic -> so that means you're viewing me as town here BM, and GC scum instigating?

because why else would you say that. why does scum try to escalate their partners 1v1s? And how do I even fit with GC as a partner when we have been tunneled on eachother for a good portion of the day phase?
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 pm

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lol you're really gonna moan about me tunnelling you when i'm:

A. not voting for you.
B. clearly pretty ambivalent about most slots
C. not even talking about you.

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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:05 pm

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In post 1516, Battle Mage wrote:im not even voting you dude, what are you on about?
My bad. You're right.
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:07 pm

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sorry I'm not so caught up on recent posts - I'll reread now.
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:08 pm

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In post 1515, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'm just ignoring you mostly now because it feels like talking to a wall at this point plus your non game related comment about gender kinda made me personally not want to talk to you more.
lol you do you bud - i say it how i see it. i always think it's sad when games descend into big debates about pronouns, when in an ideal world everyone would just do their best to respect each other's pronouns and it needn't really be an issue. crucially, it's not part of the game. :cool:
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:11 pm

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VOTE: elements
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:05 pm

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In post 1497, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
lmao maybe i could but thatd be like a play for a game i really really wanted to win as scum not just like a one off normal for me where i'd go with my more comfortable plays that have worked for me.
i missed this earlier.

how should i go about determining whether this is a game where you really want to win as scum or a game where this is you're pursuing your more comfortable plays?
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