Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Elements]

@elements why are you voting lotus now?

I don't think anyone I want to vote out is getting voted out and I don't want any of the people it looks like are going to be voted out to be voted out. I also liked maxewll's most recent catch up

[Battle Mage]

out of courtesy, and in recognition of a formal warning received, I'm issuing a formal apology to anybody who has been offended by me during this game.

[OutWorldER]

Official Vote Count 1.12

A playground slide in Tychy, Poland

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

ItalianoVD (4): Reformed Toxic Player, Datisi, RLotus, VP Baltar
Elements (2): Dunnstral, Battle Mage
Green Crayons (2): maxwell, Andresvmb
midwaybear (1): ItalianoVD
Reformed Toxic Player (1): Green Crayons
VP Baltar (1): Duchess
RLotus (1): Elements

Not Voting

(1): midwaybear

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes: Battle Mage has requested replacement. Still searching for a replacement for Duchess.

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[ItalianoVD]

@Elements @BM might as well just vote me. We can end this day and you guys can catch the scum that’s on my wagon.

[VP Baltar]

out of courtesy, and in recognition of a formal warning received, I'm issuing a formal apology to anybody who has been offended by me during this game.

Thank you for working to make the game less toxic.

Mod: I think lotus voted before me. Just for accuracy in wagon position.

<<Fixed.>>

[VP Baltar]

@Elements @BM might as well just vote me. We can end this day and you guys can catch the scum that’s on my wagon.

Why those two specifically?

[Andresvmb]

why is it a crap wagon? i don't think i've yet to see something that said townie to me from max and i remember harumi being one of my first scummy gutpings this game.

You literally made my point in this post. It’s a crap wagon because you’re quite undecided about your read (though I think maxwell is Town), you guys aren’t really pushing hard for it, and it’s most likely not going to happen today. Outside of what I may think of the slot, there’s clearly not a whole lot of interesting in resolving there. So your vote is wasted.

[Andresvmb]

^whole lot of interest*

[Andresvmb]

Slight Lean Town
{Harumi Ayasato/maxwell

You didn't really explain this read.

I have, you just haven’t read all of my posts. Though some of it I suppose is implied. We seem to have a broadly similar view of the game. I know my perspective is Town right. And since they clearly came to some of these conclusions before I made any points public, they seem independent of any influence from me. So I’m going to lean positively overall.

[ItalianoVD]

Why those two specifically?

They were the last two to post. Andres can do it. I don't care.

[VP Baltar]

Counterpoint, andres, is I think resolving Italiano at least gives us some information given most people have stated some kinds of thoughts there.

Pedit: yeah, later you talked about maxwell's reads and your own. I just run and gun on posts without reading ahead a lot of the time.

[Andresvmb]

Counterpoint, andres, is I think resolving Italiano at least gives us some information given most people have stated some kinds of thoughts there.

I’m not going to disagree with you that flipping Italiano will resolve more than a few questions. That’s fair. I will say though, whenever I see that varying camps are looking to compromise somewhere, I very rarely get the feeling it’s the right choice. I would be more aggressive in defending Italiano if I was surer that they’re Town. I might want to ISO there and figure out bottom line what I think is going to happen. But I have to tell you - overall, I’m not particularly positive on it flipping Scum. But if you read the Large Normal I played recently, this is also not as obvious to me as flipping Nero was that game (where I was far more certain that it was a mistake).

[Datisi]

he was talking about my prior vote on max. which like, i disagree with it being wasted, because scum's gotta be somewhere, and at this point i don't have a problem voting for someone i don't townread. you never know what happens there. though kind of moot since i'm not voting there anymore but whatever.

[ItalianoVD]

I might want to ISO there and figure out bottom line what I think is going to happen.

You don’t have to waste your time bro. You can just vote. If you’re town you’ll figure it out on Day 2

[Andresvmb]

he was talking about my prior vote on max. which like, i disagree with it being wasted, because scum's gotta be somewhere, and at this point i don't have a problem voting for someone i don't townread.

We clearly have different philosophies about what makes sense, so I don’t want to get too bogged down on this. But to be transparent with you, you sitting alone or on a 2 person wagon as Town doesn’t help. To me, broadly speaking, it helps the Scum. Unless you’re able to convince people you’re correct (and I think you’re just wrong there but whatever), then it’s a total waste of time in my view. Yeah, Scum’s gotta be somewhere. But you’re giving the Scum more leverage to direct the execution if you take yourself out if you will by voting for a wagon that is unlikely to materialize (in my estimation).

[Andresvmb]

I might want to ISO there and figure out bottom line what I think is going to happen.

You don’t have to waste your time bro. You can just vote. If you’re town you’ll figure it out on Day 2

I’m just going to say that I am free to use my free time however I want haha

[ItalianoVD]

I’m just going to say that I am free to use my free time however I want haha

Okay fair enough. Just figured you wanna just get the day done quicker.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Official Vote Count 1.12

A playground slide in Tychy, Poland

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

ItalianoVD (4): Reformed Toxic Player, Datisi, RLotus, VP Baltar
Elements (2): Dunnstral, Battle Mage
Green Crayons (2): maxwell, Andresvmb
midwaybear (1): ItalianoVD
Reformed Toxic Player (1): Green Crayons
VP Baltar (1): Duchess
RLotus (1): Elements

Not Voting

(1): midwaybear

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes: Battle Mage has requested replacement. Still searching for a replacement for Duchess.

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you know whats crazy is that I think I've seen that exact slide when I visited poland 15 years ago.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

he was talking about my prior vote on max. which like, i disagree with it being wasted, because scum's gotta be somewhere, and at this point i don't have a problem voting for someone i don't townread.

We clearly have different philosophies about what makes sense, so I don’t want to get too bogged down on this. But to be transparent with you, you sitting alone or on a 2 person wagon as Town doesn’t help. To me, broadly speaking, it helps the Scum. Unless you’re able to convince people you’re correct (and I think you’re just wrong there but whatever), then it’s a total waste of time in my view. Yeah, Scum’s gotta be somewhere. But you’re giving the Scum more leverage to direct the execution if you take yourself out if you will by voting for a wagon that is unlikely to materialize (in my estimation).

last minute wagons can materialize and hit scum idm datisi voting his heart

[VP Baltar]

I will say though, whenever I see that varying camps are looking to compromise somewhere, I very rarely get the feeling it’s the right choice. I would be more aggressive in defending Italiano if I was surer that they’re Town.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I'm not confident at all in this being the right choice, but if I'm going to compromise, at least I'm voting with my top town read.

I think I could make a strong argument that a Dunn yeet is less of a risk, but we also don't gain much info if he does happen to flip town.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: ItalianoVD
I'm subscribing to this wagon

[Reformed Toxic Player]

there's something about the VCA that i wanna keep to myself rn - i wanna say it in twilight in case its relevant.

it might sound crazy too. but bear with me i need to out these theories so ppl at least consider them in the future in case im dead

[Green Crayons]

UNVOTE:

[Green Crayons]

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lmao maybe i could but thatd be like a play for a game i really really wanted to win as scum not just like a one off normal for me where i'd go with my more comfortable plays that have worked for me.

i missed this earlier.

how should i go about determining whether this is a game where you really want to win as scum or a game where this is you're pursuing your more comfortable plays?

and to sort-of cut to the chase: i'm asking this in the context of folks (you also?) describing your play as chaotic in this game, which was not something they saw as usual for you (correct me if i'm wrong about this)

[Green Crayons]

if it's elements vs. VD why are people picking VD? they are equally townish but VD has actually been participating recently. plus I agree with his reads so I'm biased but also reflects potential of coming from town mindset.