Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.05

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-03-06 01:45:00).

elimination

floo [2]:

KittyTacky, Vasex

KittyTacky [1]:

Battle Mage

Not voting [4]:

floo, FBJim, Happy Unbirthday Boon, team rocket queen

mod notes

~ battle mage v/la until monday
~ happy unbirthday boon v/la until tuesday
~ the vc actually changed this time

flavour

[Vasex]

Floo, claim the role.
Smb, let's hammer floo. Only 2 votes. Go.

[Vasex]

omg let's speedlim floo

[Vasex]

I take the whole responsibility on myself. Floo is scum. Hang him.

Floo, last chance to reveal the role. They will hang you, you know that (Hub, trq).

I go asleep

[KittyTacky]

I said I didn't mind that much if I got limmed because while sure it would be ELO, you would have other people to focus on.

Anyways, I'm kind of torn on floo. He is more active now so I give him a bit of towncred now. Still would be better for him to claim as tomorrow is ELO.

[KittyTacky]

*ELO if we mislim

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

If possible I'd like readslists from Jim, floo, and KT before any claims/hammers. wouldn't mind a fresh one from jessie either

[KittyTacky]

Also if I was scum I'd flail around a whole lot more when pushed.

Making a readlist RN, give me a bit. Maybe later today.

[Battle Mage]

yes floo should claim

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Datisi]

Prodding team rocket queen.

[Vasex]

give the third vote to floo please

[FBJim]

i don't understand the idea that KT would be a policy hang. this is maybe just a terminology disagreement but as far as the votes yesterday go, KT was far more suspicious than HUB in my view. not that HUB isn't suspicious but day 1 forcing a late VT claim isn't *explicitly* anti-town even if it was a miselim.

there still are things i don't like about HUB's activity -- forcing a wagon on a player playing to his meta (ok, one game i could find, but even that was at least showing they weren't acting "weird" by their standards), and the fact that it was at least partially responsible for the behavior that got FT policy hanged (there's no reason you *had* to respond to everything FT said).

it's like, yes, i can see how the behavior FT got hanged for was "suspicious" but i don't like how this behavior was egged on by people. like a scum entrapment thing. especially because like, even *i* could tell that's how FT would likely respond to pressure, and if i could tell, there's a very good chance other people could tell.

VOTE: KittyTacky


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i want to go to the final count

• flow trap [5]:
  Ydrasse
  , Happy Unbirthday Boon, Vasex,
  KittyTacky
  , team rocket queen [HAMMER]
  
• Vasex [1]: floo
  
• KittyTacky [1]: FBJim
  
  
• Not voting [2]: fairyprincess69 (Battle Mage),
  flow trap

reads -
BM - 1/3 town. this is actually more based on FP's slot than anything else (especially them pushing back when i was close to tunneling ydrasse, who's obviously confirmed town) though i appreciate taking over the game with people VLA. also if D1 miselim was because of policy/votebait, i wouldn't stay on No Vote if i was scum - just seems like an inherently "notable" thing to do that has no real upside (admittedly this could be cuz of them dropping out in the first place).

nothing is a done deal but KT seems like a likely d2 hang and i already voted - assuming him for a sec (and leaving aside Battle Mage which I mentioned above) leaves one of

HUB
Vasex
TRQ
floo
me



HUB: (1/2 scum) the big logorrhea mess which led to FT's mishang was HUB/KT's doing - HUB for the actual hard push posting, and KT for the e-1. KT's vote was more *inherently* suspicious as i suspected earlier but i still consider HUB among the "worst" there- when someone just mass posts, i can absolutely see a tactic of constantly prodding them, pushing each response and then calling for a rope because all the posts are making the gamestate too confusing.


Vasex: (1/3 scum) calling for activity level/lurking ropes when you've got one of the highest activity levels is a bit self-serving though i actually kind of like it. feels more like "i'm town and townies should be acting like me" than anything calculated.

that said, calling for activity level ropes when you've got one of the highest activity levels might just be simple self-serving CYA, *especially* past day 1. their FT vote also didn't stick out, and i mean this in a *bad* way. one of the biggest problems i have with the KT-HUB pairing is that it would put both of them in a semi-exposed position for a fairly elim-bait wagon which seemed risky. one player as the e-1 vote and one as a sheep vote makes a lot more sense than one player as the e-1 and one as the hard pusher. out of all the FT votes theirs was by far the most sheep-y.

TRQ: (1/2 town) holding for prod. i think their hammer was at worst NAI, though, and *hesitating* on the hammer (and not in a way that struck me as fake) made me feel better. also find it hard to match them up with another scum candidate in a way that makes sense to me.

floo: (1/3 town): activity level/lurking, eh. like the FT vote, hanging based on that feels like a fallback option when we don't have better ideas. also agree that if they are town, they'd be the most likely counterwagon candidate.

me: (???): well, if it were me, for miselim-ing a e-1 bait player, i think two scum on the wagon makes more sense than one-on one-off, since the elim-bait status makes justifying any vote theoretically easier. but hey.

it's a little strange because in isolation i consider HUB a better candidate but Vasex/KT as a more likely pairing. this is entirely based on my probably bad intuition of likely voting behaviors and i absolutely need to review the thread/interactions more.

[Vasex]

What is the difference between 1/2 scum and 1/2 town? Is it 50/50%?

[FBJim]

think of a needle where 0 is nil and +/- 1 is confirmed either way. felt more right than rating out of 10 points or w/e

[Vasex]

TRQ is more townie than floo, and floo is more townie than me and HUB, right?

[FBJim]

like i said it's a little weird because i consider TRQ less town than you in isolation but i think you/KT is a better pairing. the big reason being that with FT both as a likely option with no real counterwagon forming, *and* with FT claiming VT, i don't see two scum players putting themselves on the line to force the wagon through *that* hard.

[FBJim]

also a confession: if i am posting less now it is because Persona 5 Strikers released

[Vasex]

VOTE: KittyTacky

[Vasex]

Floo, c'mon, let's hammer Kitty. He is a scum.

[Vasex]

I take the whole responsibility on myself.

[FBJim]

that's e-1, with no claim and an active prod i want a hammer hold here.

[Vasex]

I won't wait if I have the opportunity

[Vasex]

There will be no claim from Kitty. He suggested to hang him. Finita la comedia

[FBJim]

guess it's fine, HUB wants more time, floo wanted to question more people, and TRQ is prodded. up to them.


i suppose scum-KT could selfhammer as a discussion shutdown but i don't think that's a good idea. i'm *still* going to request a hold because that's two players (HUB and floo) who i gather want more information.