Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[VP Baltar]

Andres, would you say at this point that your entire game view hinges on me being scum?

[VP Baltar]

Also, midway should claim if GC has legit intent to hammer

[VP Baltar]

yes

what does that tell you

That town is remarkably cooperative or that one of you isn't that strong in their own opinions.

This gets at what I'm saying about town needing to be more active. I'm locktown on Datisi, so don't expect that to shift unless I see something drastic. There needs to be other viewpoints expressed if people want other wagons to happen. I'm going to push what I see as most scummy.

Don't be pushovers if you don't agree, but if you have Datisi and I as town, you should see the power of lock reads. It puts the scum in a very uncomfortable position of not controlling the game state. That might be ok when we are wrong (italiano), but once we get locked in on scum, it is very bad for them.

My other pretty much locktown read is momrangal, but she isn't around on weekends.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, would you say at this point that your entire game view hinges on me being scum?

No I wouldn’t say this at all.

I think RLotus is Town. I think Datisi is Town too. I have a feeling midwaybear is going to flip Town. I have Cookie Monster as Town following their reaction + claim as I’ve explained. I am a little less sure of Green Crayons as Town (which I thought they could be), particularly now that they’ve expressed intent to hammer midway (but I wouldn’t go back on this just yet). Elements I was positive on. I can’t say I find DGB’s posts Towny though. But they don’t ping me either so it’s whatever for now, and I need more from DGB. I don’t know what Dunn is doing agreeing with the person that has most aggressively pushed them in the game. But here we are. Momrangal funny enough I do think is maybe Town. What I’m most puzzled by is the fact that they have Dunn as their top TR (or did at one point). That seemed bizarre to me. And Mom also had me as Scum which is just sad. maxwell I actually have as potential Scum.

I would say that if midwaybear flips Scum, then I’ll rethink my entire approach to the game. That would make me mostly wrong and you VPB would look better for it. But I have a feeling that’s not what we’re going to see.

[VP Baltar]

Did you push on elements before?

[Andresvmb]

Yeah I did. And then I changed my mind.

[VP Baltar]

So if I read you right, your best guess at the scum team right now is VP-elements-maxwell?

[midwaybear]

Vanilla Townie
Apparently not a townie vanilla

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Momrangal

[DrippingGoofball]

This is going to be my last mafia game for a long, long time.

I am completely down on the game and demotivated. I'm just going to mindlessly vote. My scumdar is kaput, I fuck up all my PRs and get yeeted or vig'ed after playing a single game day. It's like no one can read me anymore, and I can't read anyone either.

If you want to yeet me go ahead. I'll self-vote to help it along.

[Datisi]

dgb, how much of the game have you read?

[Green Crayons]

i don't even understand where that is coming from

[Green Crayons]

i'm not going to hammer until the weekend is over, i know folks have V/LA during that time

[maxwell]

I really want a chance to read up before there's any sort of hammer

[VP Baltar]

I really want a chance to read up before there's any sort of hammer

What does read up mean?

Dgb, can you say what prompted that post?

[maxwell]

I really want a chance to read up before there's any sort of hammer

What does read up mean?

Dgb, can you say what prompted that post?

I said I wanted to try to develop reads on most of the game since I last posted, I haven't managed to find time to do that yet Also need to comment on...everything going on.

[maxwell]

This is going to be my last mafia game for a long, long time.

I am completely down on the game and demotivated. I'm just going to mindlessly vote. My scumdar is kaput, I fuck up all my PRs and get yeeted or vig'ed after playing a single game day. It's like no one can read me anymore, and I can't read anyone either.

If you want to yeet me go ahead. I'll self-vote to help it along.

Somehow, you have managed to not only inherit the role of Elements, but their spirit, as well

[DrippingGoofball]

Dgb, can you say what prompted that post?

Iso me if you're a masochist.

[DrippingGoofball]

Not iso, but look at all my my posts on site.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, how much of the game have you read?

I didn't read anything before my entry, and I won't, either.

[maxwell]

VOTE: Midwaybear

Cookie is useless, mwb is scummy, dgb and predecessor are weird, GC is scummy

Andres, mom, Datsi feel town

Why are midwaybear and green crayons scummy?

I think this is the first time I ever got prodded. The snap reaction here from me is to suspect Datisi, VPB, and Andres scumteam. I want to say that scum probably are more comfortable posting right now while town just don't really care.
VOTE: VPB for now
Don't really suspect GC anymore and idk what to say about Cookie Monster, but we aren't voting out a claimed PR.

Really? Do you really think that team is plausible from the argument Andres and Baltar are having right now? Or the fit that andres threw when GC wouldn't out his neighborizer target? I don't see how the idea of that sort of team holds up to the slightest scrutiny.



I don't know. I'm having a hard time following the points andres is trying to make against Baltar. I think a post like 2362 makes sense, and that makes me want to think Baltar's town, and yet him pushing back against andres gives me a little unease somehow even if ost of the stuff VP says looks all right to me.

[maxwell]

midway's responses here are making me doubt myself somewhat. The comment about him "sort of trolling" andres, the paranoia that andres is scum setting up to vote him. it looks believable enough?

what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking?

Because scum might fell self-conscious about lurking. I know that you and VPB are generally quite active, so I imagine that it would be hard to lurk as scum, especially in a good position.

This makes no sense. Lurking as scum is the easiest thing in the world to do.

I can and do strategically avoid threads as scum. There is no way as scum I would encourage life into a stagnant gamestate. There's no tangible benefit beyond possibly being able to say LAMIST, and there are huge potential downsides if people get involved and sentiments shift.

Yeah, had meant to say it earlier but the fact that you keep trying to breathe life into the game and force content out of people is +town, I think

[VP Baltar]

Not iso, but look at all my my posts on site.

I believe you if you say you're in a bad headspace for mafia. That seems not alignment indicative. Ideally, we can all have a fun game here. Since you're only reading from your replacement forward, it's probably going to take a bit for you to get into the flow of the game

[Andresvmb]

dgb, how much of the game have you read?

I didn't read anything before my entry, and I won't, either.

@DGB did you not voluntarily enter the game? Then why ask to be executed out of it, or enter with this attitude, if you were in this head space? It makes no sense at all.

[maxwell]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Ugh. I hate the reflexive tendency to call any big fight a TvT but when I read the posts between Baltar and andres, I don't get the urge to kill either of them. There's a mild sense of paranoia in how RTP was possibly scumreading him before death but from my own reading of his posts I don't see it.

I don't super love this vote either but I've gotten cold feet on midwaybear and don't want to try to push elsewhere with time running so short.