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[Anya]

Depends on the player, for a lot of players it's just vibes, ico had what I thought was a particularly towny push, samantha is now showing a nonchalant reaction to their wagon which I see as towny

I don't like townreads that are "oh this person hasn't done anything scummy" because I find that scum can play like that pretty easily especially on d1

Infinity: i don't like townreading people just because they haven't done anything scummy

nah im not that petty to be annoyed
so youre on the wagon to get content out of him?

No I think he's scummy because he hasn't towntold

also Infinity: i scumread people because they haven't done anything towny

[Infinity 324]

How is that contradictory? If I townread 90% of the game I have to scumread the other 10% not everyone is town it turns out

[Anya]

so you mean PoE? when do you null read people then?

[LlamaFluff]

Apparently most players in this game are active when im asleep or unavailable at work. Will try and get read up tonight but I dont really have much time today. More likely I get fully caught up after work Friday.

[Infinity 324]

so you mean PoE? when do you null read people then?

When I don't have as many TRs?

[esotericzoomer]

I have a reason to townlean every player besides llama and umlaut

and i dont so i can make these kinds of reads lmao

[Infinity 324]

I'm not saying you have to have my read, I'm just trying to explain my position

[Umlaut]

Oh look, seven new pages.

I'm going to try and skim them but probably won't really be able to read in-depth until later tonight.

[esotericzoomer]

I'm not saying you have to have my read, I'm just trying to explain my position

right, somehow the original point of this discussion got convoluted in my brain and i thought it started off with you saying my reasons were weak
that or i jumbled you together with datisi

[Anya]

great town post zoomer love it

[esotericzoomer]

ty i try my best

[Umlaut]

btw the wagons are -2 and -3, meaning mafia could rush through either of us if they are off the wagons and don't care about appearances

Bad post

Ico's mini-freakout in 412/413 is wild and his "you're not being honest" vote on me in 415 just seems like naked omgus.

i read [Outworld's] ISO and i just see a bunch of opinions on stuff that is happening, analysis

it reads like he is attempting to solve the game

That seems like... the bare minimum that anyone trying to look town would do? Of course it's opinions on stuff that is happening. I suppose 'analysis' is beyond the bare minimum but still this is pretty weak.

Iconeum case on zoomer seems pretty weak too and Zoomer's responses in 457 etc. ring towny to me. I actually really like how Zoomer is responding to the push and using it to better sort Icon (though it's hard to separate that out from agreeing with the conclusion)

I don't think i ever tried to discredit anyone this game.

What do you think 'discredit' means?

Re. 497 I honestly have no idea what I've done that Zoomer thinks is 'confrontational,' I feel like I'm off to a slow start tbh, that's kind of a weird reason to tr me. The followup on that seems reasonable though, at any rate I'd expect him to more easily be talked out of that read if he were scum given that Datisi and Infinity both critiqued it instantly

(Incidentally, Datisi gets some town points for calling that out)

Depends on the player, for a lot of players it's just vibes, ico had what I thought was a particularly towny push, samantha is now showing a nonchalant reaction to their wagon which I see as towny

I don't like townreads that are "oh this person hasn't done anything scummy" because I find that scum can play like that pretty easily especially on d1

Infinity: i don't like townreading people just because they haven't done anything scummy

nah im not that petty to be annoyed
so youre on the wagon to get content out of him?

No I think he's scummy because he hasn't towntold

also Infinity: i scumread people because they haven't done anything towny

I don't see a problem with this?

[Anya]

i don't see a problem with the lack of your problem?

[esotericzoomer]

the subway was fucking bomb for those wondering

[Anya]

i hope no one was hurt!

[Iconeum]

Apparently most players in this game are active when im asleep or unavailable at work. Will try and get read up tonight but I dont really have much time today. More likely I get fully caught up after work Friday.

Oh look, seven new pages.

I'm going to try and skim them but probably won't really be able to read in-depth until later tonight.

oh look what a surprise

both players who initiated the push on me are laying low now that there's a wagon on me

there's scum in these 2, umlaut over llama i think

yeet please

[Iconeum]

Iconeum case on zoomer seems pretty weak too and Zoomer's responses in 457 etc. ring towny to me. I actually really like how Zoomer is responding to the push and using it to better sort Icon (though it's hard to separate that out from agreeing with the conclusion)

what case?

i pushed zoomer to get a read on the dude and got to a townie conclusion
it ain't much but i'm happy to townpile him for day 1

like you say, he responded pretty townie and i got to that conclusion so why are you giving me crap about something that was actually usefull not only to me but apparently to you as well??

scumlaut is that you?

[Iconeum]

I'm gonna be dealing with a literal psychopath all day so I'm gonna post this half finished and finish/repost later

Umlaut
LlamaFluff
Datisi
esotericzoomer
Rathe

likely town
Infinity 324

less sure but lean town
Iconeum

on ice
Anya - no meta to base anything off of, in general she has posted town stuff though

less sure but lean mafia
Momrangal
Andresvmb - has never had a mafia game; one thing that was disturbing was explaining his vote on me after the fact viewtopic.php?p=12674445#p12674445 - ALL of his votes in the 2 town games I read were either naked or had very brief explanations (one-liners)

likely mafia
OutWorldER - totally contradictory mindset re:past self; only reason he isn't below Luca is his post count
Luca Blight (actually, after writing this, I was re-skimming what I thought was this game's iso and was like, "wow was I wrong? he's different here", but it was actually a game he was town in lol)

sam, why are you voting your townlean?

[esotericzoomer]

gut tells me something aint right
VOTE: Outworld

[Datisi]

Ico's mini-freakout in 412/413 is wild and his "you're not being honest" vote on me in 415 just seems like naked omgus.

neither of these are scum!indicative and if i have to fight god himself about it i will

ico, your outworld townread (or whatever it is) feels a little bit... unfounded. anything specifically that you actually *liked*? (link me if you've already talked about this)

[Iconeum]

ico, your outworld townread (or whatever it is) feels a little bit... unfounded. anything specifically that you actually *liked*? (link me if you've already talked about this)

it isn't as much that i specifically townread him, but i disagree with luca about scumreading him

[Datisi]

I would need to read Student Council again but I think this kind of buddying (perhaps the wrong word but the stuff in 138, 154, and 158) is normal for Infinity? I don't see a reason to be suspicious of it regardless.

The Llama/Datisi thing reads as TvT to me. I don't think either party puts themselves out there like this as scum. I don't see a lot of reason for scum to want to end RVS early and Rathe trying to push Llama for that does not exactly give me good feelings about that slot.

VOTE: Rathe

I really dislike this post

The first paragraph is just filler, like he’s trying to look as though he’s really considering things but it’s pretty meaningless

Second paragraph: Why does Datisi get a pass based on this reasoning but not Rathe? By the looks of it Rathe is a relative newbie, so if picking fights then early doors in town-indicative (as Outworld seems to think) then why are you SR’ing him for it?

like this one

you say the first part is filler, but it's actually a meta read based on previous experience. I don't see a problem with that.

The second part reminds me of my own case on Rathe, which you dismissed/disagreed with my reasonings.

ok, at first i thought the first part was kinda... randomly there, bc i didn't think the thread was talking much about infnity at that point, however rereading the 2 pages prior to it, i can sorta see it as a justified "i thought about this and decided to type it out anyway" thought, as infinity did talk about outworld in some of their posts. so meh.

can you revisit #2? like i know you had a case yourself on rathe, but that doesn't change the original fact that outworld is townreading me/llama and not townreading rathe for ~similar reasons (fight picking)?

[Iconeum]

i'm not sure what ur asking of me here?

my push on rathe was based on a logical problem, which is similar to what happened there

coming to a conclusion opposite to what you'd expect based on prior post etc

[Iconeum]

if that doesn't answer it, then you should rephrase your question

[Datisi]

mm, not sure how to phrase it. like, if outworld thinks putting yourself out there is not behaviour that scum is likely to do, why does outworld scumlean rathe despite rathe doing that? i was wondering if you thought that "contradiction" might have any merit.

but rereading again, "rathe's bad read on llama was stronger +scum than him putting himself out there is +town" would be a fine explanation and this discussion might not be as useful as i first though.

tl;dr the post 176 by itself is *fine*.