Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

[Noraa]

mine

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Titus

[Toogeloo]

So...

Infinity townread everyone.
Titus townread myself and Infinity.
Salsa townread myself and Infinity.
I can find reasons to scum read everyone.

Does this about sum things up?
>_>

Does this sum up

[Toogeloo]

Whoops, I screwed that edit up.

[Toogeloo]

I'm being facetious btw.

[Titus]

@SF, Why is your response to merely unvote me when I ask you why Toog is conftown as opposed to likely town?

[Salsabil Faria]

I can understand why you are confused about me, but if you can check my current (running+completed) games, I was absent for the same days I was absent here. If I could be invested like my previous games, things will be different. That's why I said yesterday to eliminate me. I was/am sure that I am kept alive for the miselimination purpose.
So, you and

Toogeloo

are conftowns, I'm the last VT, it's

Titus

then.

VOTE: Titus

Why is Toog conftown?

Aren't these clear

Toogeloo

?

Spoiler:

I am an odd night motion detector.

Night 1, I detected no motion on/from MurderCat.
Night 3, I detected motion on/from Dannflor.

No motion on MC was one of the reasons I was town reading him harder on Day 2.

Dann needs to claim.

yes okay gotcha

I apologize for my inactivity and it's NAI but of course I will say that

I'm a VT

Did you realize toog motion detected you last night and got a positive

@SF, Why is your response to merely unvote me when I ask you why Toog is conftown as opposed to likely town?

My unvote wasn't the response of your 1198. I didn't see the post or any posts that time. It was past midnight, I was in bed but couldn't sleep, kept thinking about which will be more beneficial for town between elimination and no-elimination. We are 4 alive: 3 towns + 1 scum. If we miseliminate then it'll be the mafia's win. If we don't eliminate anyone, the town still has a chance. By calculating this, login into the game, unvoted, then went to sleep.

VOTE: No-elimination

[Salsabil Faria]

If I'm scum, I have to be a JK or roleblocker right?

Mafia can have JK too??

If it's all the same to everyone else, I'd rather just try to finish the game today while I'm alive (since the consensus is that I am the obvious night kill tonight). A no elimination just takes my voice away from the game.

A miselimination today, mafia will win automatically! No-elimination is the clever option for the town rn.

@Toog, I'd rather force scum to take that consensus kill. We'll still talk long enough for your voice to be heard today and ask any sorting questions. If scum don't kill you, then they really think you'll misvote or are the scum. We learn something from not eliminating someone today.

Totally agree.

So...

Infinity townread everyone.
Titus townread myself and Infinity.
Salsa townread myself and Infinity.
I can find reasons to scum read everyone.

Does this about sum things up?
>_>

Does this sum up

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Titus

, don't know if you remember (cause I totally forgot), you were in my 1st mafia game (Newbie 2035 - Movie Facts) I had been thinking the whole time that it's our 1st meet, lol.

[Toogeloo]

I want affirmation that Infinity isn't going to pander to Titus or Salsabil tomorrow and that she actually has a solve in mind.

[Infinity 324]

? I gave my reads and am gonna reread when I have time, I'm not gonna say that I know who the last scum is when I don't

[Salsabil Faria]

Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw,

no-one hammer today

, I need more time to ISO diving for all of you. If anyone will do that, he/she/they is/are the last scum!

[Infinity 324]

Salsa a lot of those things I already explained in my ISO, which you presumably read, so I don't really want to go through them again. I explained 23 in 372, and I also explained what I thought murder could've contributed on page 1. I explain my johnny read in 495. Also, the accusation that I supported JV in 321 is pretty ridiculous, I asked the question because I thought JV's post might've been scummy, and I then proceeded to push the JV/dann slot as scum pretty much all the way up until it was dead.

[Salsabil Faria]

Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

446: By

I wasn't on the wagon

you meant you weren't on

StatueSurfer

's wagon while a wagon was building/was tried to build against you by

Momrangal

and

In the beginning

?

449: Good post.

471: It was early of Day 2, so I don't think (?) buss-vote was required from scum!you atm. Also, can be staged?

490: Weak reason to vote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

as town or forced reason to vote as scum there.

493: Hmm....will keep this in mind.

495: Meh as town or forced/TMI as scum.

502: How? I was townreading both of them that moment FYI.

509: Scumhunting as town. Staged as scum?

541: Contradiction?

553: Why did you unvote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

that time?

557: Reason?

560, 564, 583, 640, 722, 770: Pushing

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot here feels townie than scummy I think?

644: Again, maybe

subtle

support/save for

Aristophanes

.

694: Can be intentional slip.

708: I mean, not impossible??

715, 749, 766: Will keep in mind these posts.

751:

759: Bad! Why did you feel

Flea The Magician

was better wagon than

Aristophanes

atm? Though I didn't want to vote any of them but in between

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot and

JohnnyFarrar

that time.

788: Reason to townread

Aristophanes

then?

End of the Day 2

Summary till now: On Day 2, you looked less scummier than Day 1.

[Titus]

I find SF's tone incredibily fake and melodramatic. Her reasons don't amount to conftown Toog and it feels like she's attempting to pit me and infinity against each other. She retreats rapidly when called out on any position.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa a lot of those things I already explained in my ISO, which you presumably read, so I don't really want to go through them again. I explained 23 in 372, and I also explained what I thought murder could've contributed on page 1.

Eh, maybe, but what's there to contribute on page 2? And wouldn't he just say that in the scumchat?

Maybe an initial vibe/gut read or something? And maybe his scumbuddies were not on the wagon, or were on the wagon but offline and he wanted to make sure town didn't hammer him

You answered this question:

And wouldn't he just say that in the scumchat?

. What about the

contribution

part?

Also, the accusation that I supported JV in 321 is pretty ridiculous, I asked the question because I thought JV's post might've been scummy, and I then proceeded to push the JV/dann slot as scum pretty much all the way up until it was dead.

I'm trying to see the posts in both town and scum ways.

[Salsabil Faria]

I find SF's tone incredibily fake and melodramatic. Her reasons don't amount to conftown Toog and it feels like she's attempting to pit me and infinity against each other. She retreats rapidly when called out on any position.

Okay, I challenge you, vote me today. I'm trying to solve the game in my own way, if you don't like it, not my problem at all.
FYI, after finishing

Infinity 324

's ISOs, I'll check yours, then

Toogeloo

's.
At this stage, we need to 2nd guess everything imo, I'm doing exactly that. If you want to tunnel/confbias me now, then you're the scum, game solved!

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Infinity 324

, do you mention the post(s) why you were townreading

Aristophanes

, please?

[Infinity 324]

You answered this question: And wouldn't he just say that in the scumchat?. What about the contribution part?

"Maybe an initial vibe/gut read or something?"

Honestly I felt like there was quite a bit he could've talked about there, like what he thought about his wagon. He could've made a naked vote on someone he thought was a bit scummy, or for a reaction. Anything people do in the early game he could've done there, I think it's kind of a silly question

[Salsabil Faria]

If you wanted to know about the contribution from

MURDERCAT

after page 10 or even later, my question would be a silly question to ask but it was on page 3, so...

[Infinity 324]

Do people normally just not post on page 3 or...?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Infinity 324

Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

446: By

I wasn't on the wagon

you meant you weren't on

StatueSurfer

's wagon while a wagon was building/was tried to build against you by

Momrangal

and

In the beginning

?

449: Good post.

471: It was early of Day 2, so I don't think (?) buss-vote was required from scum!you atm. Also, can be staged?

490: Weak reason to vote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

as town or forced reason to vote as scum there.

493: Hmm....will keep this in mind.

495: Meh as town or forced/TMI as scum.

502: How? I was townreading both of them that moment FYI.

509: Scumhunting as town. Staged as scum?

541: Contradiction?

553: Why did you unvote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

that time?

557: Reason?

560, 564, 583, 640, 722, 770: Pushing

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot here feels townie than scummy I think?

644: Again, maybe

subtle

support/save for

Aristophanes

.

694: Can be intentional slip.

708: I mean, not impossible??

715, 749, 766: Will keep in mind these posts.

751:

759: Bad! Why did you feel

Flea The Magician

was better wagon than

Aristophanes

atm? Though I didn't want to vote any of them but in between

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot and

JohnnyFarrar

that time.

788: Reason to townread

Aristophanes

then?

End of the Day 2

Summary till now: On Day 2, you looked less scummier than Day 1.

844: You didn't state the reason of your townreading

MURDERCAT

on Day 1 or on Day 2.

846: Again contradiction.

851: You also townreaded

Aristophanes

!

I have no comment on you pushing on

In the beginning

btw, I was scumreading him too.

908: Reason to leaning town on

Titus

?

910: Contradictory read about

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot?

972: Your read about me there was hilarious tbh

End of the Day 3

On Day 4, theoretical talks were happening more, nothing raises suspicion in me.

[Salsabil Faria]

Do people normally just not post on page 3 or...?

Some posts, some not..... but the

contribution

part pinged me and wanted to clear on this.

[Infinity 324]

Sorry I'm being lazy, I will properly respond to salsa and do my own ISOs tomorrow