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[Iconeum]

it's a question that needs sorting before this day is over, because i don't wanna have that discussion in a couple days

[Datisi]

I think you’re putting too much stock in the wagonomics - it should supplement scum hunting but not be the basis of it imo, as it is possible for scum and town to act unpredictably in such instances. What we really need is a scum flip before we can make real sense of the wagons or draw any hard conclusions from them

sure. but also the main and loudest person who would agree with this got their brains blown out last night.

[Datisi]

maybe i'm projecting because i just walked out of a scumgame where we left andres alive as long as he was loud and *wrong*, but the moment we sensed he was about to get onto the right track, we made sure he shut the fuck up. but like. i'm gonna have a hard time ignoring this.

[Iconeum]

datisi, andres was basicly making your arguments at the EoD 1 already

[Datisi]

yes i know

and the fact that (1) they make sense (2) he was a loud proponent of me/you/luca townblocc and against whatever the fuck is happening on the other blocc and (3) he's d e a d

is making me think these arguments are worth repeating

[Iconeum]

like

shotgun read here is just

scum in infinity/samantha

[Iconeum]

if you look at the kill, both sam and infinity profit from it in a gamestate perspective

sam is key on the rathe exe, and infinity was the instigator

we should yeet in these 2

[Datisi]

there are reasons why town can quickhammer town

infinity being magically saved by the gamestate is worth looking into more than the derphammer imo

[Iconeum]

Dats is obviously town, and now that I say it I forget why. Part of it had to do with his frustration with luca for not TRing him

can you come back on this and remember why you locktown datisi instead of conveniently forgetting why?

[Iconeum]

and why is llama scum to you?

[Iconeum]

i'll rephrase that

infinity, if you have llama as your top scumread here

why did you derail his wagon at EoD 1?

[Gypyx]

Hello neighbor?

Official Vote Count

Infinity 324 (2) Umlaut, Datisi
Samantha97 (2) OutworldER, Iconeum
Umlaut (3) Anya, Samantha97, Infinity 324
Anya (2) llamafluff, Luca Blight

Not Voting

(2) : Koto, Something_Smart

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-04-12 11:00:07)

[Iconeum]

VOTE: infinity

[Luca Blight]

That Umlaut wagon looks dirty

[Datisi]

mr blight, how may i interest you in an infinity vote?

[Koto]

if no, why are you throwing out theory for the sake of throwing it without trying to prove me wrong?

Because your premise is, that scum wouldn't change wagon town -> town. I am pointing out that the premise isn't necessary correct.
There is a lot of gain in change wagon from brutal execution bait town -> town. It sets up a good misbrutal-execution for next day.

[Datisi]

infinity is execution bait???

[Datisi]

koto, can you stop talking about vague theories and say what you think is actually happening?

[Datisi]

There is a lot of gain in change wagon from brutal execution bait town -> town. It sets up a good misbrutal-execution for next day

like, if you think this is happening, who is scum then? me?

if yes, why aren't you voting me? if no, why are you theory arguing something you don't believe in the first place?

[Koto]

koto why did you ask that datisi/ico yeet question?

Ignore it.
Last vote count. I though that it was very likely that at least one scum was off the main wagon. I no longer think so.

[Koto]

Spoiler:

ok so my ramble on "why isn't infinity dead"?

let's assume infinity town. why isn't she dead? why didn't scum push her through?

you could argue "well bc scum was already on her" but i don't think that's right. who was on her, andre/me/luca/umlaut/ico. like out of those names, *maybe* umlaut is scum i feel. i don't think this is right.

so then what? there was a town!driven wagon on town!infinity, and then there was *another* town!driven wagon on rathe? for absolutely no reason? and scum was doing... *nothing*? lol. people that weren't on neither infinity nor rathe are... koto and rathe himself. i don't think this is likely either.

you could argue that both wagons were town-driven, and scum didn't care which one they got on. but late-joiners to rathe were outworld and anya, neither of who were on the infinity wagon. those didn't care to act earlier. scum who doesn't care which one goes through would probably vote infinity earlier on.

and like, i wanna compare this situation to the italiano wagon in 2195. it was day one, short amount of time till deadline, italiano was town, on some ~5 votes. the wagon was *relatively* pure (i was the only scum hardpushing him). do you know what my scumbuddies were doing? they were sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing and pretending that italiano didn't exist. because they knew town will be forced into that yeet anyway, since short on time etc. and i feel like that rule *could* be generalized here, because why would scum be rushing to get onto a wagon? they don't have to. let town destroy themselves. so why was there *such* a goddamn rush to get rathe yeeted?

You forget, that for mafia it is a good idea to change wagon from town to town in last minute. It causes chaos. Chaos is good for mafia.

why aren't you scumreading infinity if you believe this?

I am not believing it. I am just saying it is likely enough to not throw that possibility away.

[Iconeum]

ok so what do you believe?

[Koto]

Infinity 324, llamafluff, Something_Smart, outworldER, Anya, Umlaut

That all three scum are in these people.

[Koto]

Yesterday, there was an absolute madness about the brutal execution and viable targets were (outworlder, Infinity, llama).
The fact that wagon changed from Infinity to town doesn't necessary imply it was either town driven or that Infinity is scum.

[Iconeum]

that looks like the PoE we are discussing...

why aren't you just hopping aboard towntrain headed towards scumbrutalexecutioncity and are instead arguing for… i don't know what reason