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Hm very true, although usually you have to explicitly say Dayvig:In post 56, samantha97 wrote:no but we're in a theme large
never know if they're about to dayvig lol- Raya36
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And one of us has a case against the other soooooIn post 96, Bear HUGS wrote:cool. anyways {raya, Samantha} has one scum, one town. 75% certain.- Raya36
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Oh, well that's sadIn post 102, Bear HUGS wrote:
eh I don't care plus I happen to think ur the scum in the set, not sam, anyways.In post 99, Raya36 wrote:
And one of us has a case against the other soooooIn post 96, Bear HUGS wrote:cool. anyways {raya, Samantha} has one scum, one town. 75% certain.- Raya36
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I like this take, let's keep romanceIn post 114, Romance wrote:+Town.
Attitude in general is town already, but I like how they pointed out their own fault and went with it regardless. Feel like they'd be more self-conscious about this sort of thing were they scum.- Raya36
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She called me fakeIn post 127, Romance wrote:You haven't done anything yet that drives me to post about you.- Raya36
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Wow, so not only was I fake, but now I'm just naturally fake. Kinda hurtIn post 157, Bear HUGS wrote:Both strike me as extremely fake in games even when town. Im not sure why to be honest. But something about their tone just gives me alarm bells all over the place. So I'm really not sure if my problem with their interactions is just the vibes they naturally give off or if it is AI in this situation.- Raya36
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I only said town are generally genuine. Town lie for good reason sometimes. But usually they should be honest and truthfulIn post 206, samantha97 wrote: I don't agree with raya that you have to be genuine with who you think is mafia though, since it's productive to not be a lot of times- Raya36
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Is alt fishing scummy or just bad?In post 221, VFP wrote:
This entire back and fourth about an alt is just weird.In post 145, Romance wrote:It's generally bad manners to out someone's alt, so.
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idk probably 50/50 for rvs votes
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Not sure without looking through scum games for meta but regardless I don't think their push was genuineIn post 240, Bear HUGS wrote:
Is that a scumtell for her? If she makes scummy posts like in Nancy v. Titus, I’ll catcher right away, probably.In post 89, Raya36 wrote:Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread- Raya36
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Well when "Pooky" gets back you should remind them to tell me why they were thinking thisIn post 244, Bear HUGS wrote:
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Hold up, before you call my post pointless, sam asked me a question and that was my response. I didn't just decide to state random mafia theoryIn post 248, Bear HUGS wrote:
Yeah agree, that post from Raya is kind’ve pointless.In post 155, Bamboozle wrote:
Are you sayingIn post 94, samantha97 wrote:
this is a good takeIn post 89, Raya36 wrote:Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumreadRaya'stowny for this?
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No, I agree with bear here. It's bad practice for sure, but scummy..?In post 263, VFP wrote:
Originally I thought it was just alt fishing to look busy while doing noting of worth.In post 258, Bear HUGS wrote:Don’t look good in what way exactly? I don’t agree with alt fishing but you shading us for that is kind’ve gross dude.
Or maybe worse, a kind of intimidation tactic but the explanation summed it up for me and I changed my mind.
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Oops. Well prepare for wall posts from now on and not my usual series of mini posts.
Fell into that trap too easy. Of course Dunn could be scum but if you don't actually think he is why let sam make you vote?In post 308, Enchant wrote:You just destroyed me with facts and logic. I submit to you, anime.
VOTE: dunnstral
Shhhh you're spilling my secretsIn post 314, Flea The Magician wrote:
Never sheep a wolf. You just feed themIn post 84, VFP wrote:
Probably. Who do you suggest?In post 83, Raya36 wrote:Wouldn't it be more fun to vote someone?
In post 314, Flea The Magician wrote:Raya's Radar Angle Fell
Flea feels kinda town to me but for dumb reasons + gut- Raya36
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You think sam is looking for mafia you mean?In post 349, Enchant wrote:
I explained already and can't explain further without breaking rules. Asking obvious question (fine "WONDERING") from townie perspective i see odd.In post 345, Raya36 wrote:What do you mean by sam is mafia looking for you?- Raya36
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Did I personally look strange or do you not agree with what I was pushing?In post 508, jjh927 wrote:Raya's approach to sam just looked really strange, and I feel conflicted on Retti because I've liked the posts but they don't quite radiate town- Raya36
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I'm not seeing thisIn post 535, WhemeStar wrote:Jesus bamboozle is such obv scum why haven’t we voted here earlier
VOTE: bamboozle
Looks like scum trying to act townie to me
Well that bell wagon grew fast. Not really sure what to make of that. I'm not super familiar with bell's meta but their latest post doesn't appear scummy, and besides not doing much they seem fine.- Raya36
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Not a fan of this. Replacements are nai, they gave reads, the logical thing to do is wait for the replacement who we can readIn post 653, Retti wrote:Also, that last post by Bell was a straight up scumclaim, yeah? Would people be okay with just voting him out here and now?- Raya36
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I'll take a look tonight. I forgot you posted thoseIn post 665, Bear HUGS wrote:In post 660, Raya36 wrote:I don't even see what was so bad with bell's stuff anyway. They just seemed inactive is all
did you take a look at the bell games I linked?
there is a clear difference between Bell!Town and Bell!Scum.
Bell!Town has no trouble getting into the flow of the game and putting out content/pushing the action.
Bell!Scum has great difficulty getting into the game, he struggles playing the red!alignment.
Regardless of RL - the fact that he couldn't get into his town!persona at all heavily hints that his alignment this game is scum.
His replace-out post is practically a scum claim, just randomly tossing out townreads/random thoughts at people.
I don't doubt that he had RL problems that caused him to hit the replace-out button - but think aboutwhyhe finds it difficult to get into the game/putting down meaningful reads.
Town!Bell participates very easily - the game just flows. Scum!Bell absolutely struggles to replicate that Town!Bell mentality - he finds the game much harder and that is why he's struggling to get into the game.- Raya36
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Didn't mean to be dismissive, I just didn't understand. I'll take a look at the meta soon but the wagon and scumreads on bell don't really sit right with meIn post 703, Bamboozle wrote: I don't like Raya dismissing the Bell case like that at all. Raya more likely scum regardless of Bell's alignment imo, but it's probably worse for her if he flips town. We should absolutely be flipping Bell today btw.
I do genuinely think you're scum. I really don't see why Unwnd's choice would be AI. A lot you did around the start was fluff in disguise. I mean bringing up the flavorclaim rule when we obviously can't advance that discussion much farther, asking me about basically just mafia theory and then saying it was a good take, questioning the lack of a bold line in a quote. Telling people to vote dunnstral was the most you did. You said you understand why the recent argument was TvT yet you're suspicious of everyone who said it was, which is shade.In post 731, samantha97 wrote:In post 729, WhemeStar wrote:I was supposed to get townreads from this but the opposite happened bam lied which makes bam scum because only scum lieSpoiler:
I put off reading raya's other games but in general I'm suspicious when people get lazy and park their vote on me. I'm like a mafia honeypot
Also something I just noticed. You have enchant in your townblock despite saying you genuinely think they're scum for unwnd's choice. What is the progression on this?
Wow, it's been a while since I've been wagoned D1. I'll take a look at VFP's cases in a sec. Also for everyone saying I've been parking my vote, it's because I do think sam flips scum and I'm lacking in other scum reads at the moment. Nothing sam has done has changed my mind, and has actually supported my read, so I'm happy with my vote there.
Well, I can appreciate this at leastIn post 747, Bear HUGS wrote: If Raya gets yeeted and flips town, I will be pissed.- Raya36
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This is the choice
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I'm back to do the things I promised I'd do.
Bell meta:
Looking at town bell, post count is massive and they start off strong as a heavy poster. Scum bell the posting is generally a bit lower and they still post decently heavy at the beginning but it seems to be less full of content.
This bell:
Very low post count and hasn't really done much content wise. The reason I'm still hesitant to say this is scum bell is because in their scum meta they still post a lot as scum early, it's just lacking content. I want to say bell was just honestly too busy and that's what prevented them from being able to post much. It is possible though that they were struggling to get into the game though as their scum meta shows, especially since I'm even struggling a lot to get into this game and that's not usual for me.- Raya36
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VFP's Cases:In post 738, VFP wrote:I'm going to take tonight off from MS too but I'm off work for 2 weeks after tomorrow so@MariaV/LA until tomorrow evening / night
I want to post about suspicious or scum reads tonight then I'll continue other reads when I'm back.
Town: Retti / Flea
Town lean: Bamboozle / Titus / Wheme
Spoiler: Samantha: Scum
Spoiler: Esooa suspicious / Scum lean
Spoiler: jjh susupicious
Spoiler: Raya suspicious / Scum lean
I want to go over Willow again once back. Part of me just thinks it's egos clashing after a re read although I don't think I represented my concern well which without filling the game with more back and fourth like that I just want to explain my mindset with it and where I'm at with Willow.
We are definitely in agreement with sam. I actually didn't catch that the dunn reasoning came after the vote so that's another point to add to my case too. Absolutely agree with the TvT comment not sounding genuine. It just sounds like shade to me. And as you pointed out they're supposed to be scumreading you so why can they see it as TvT? Interesting how me and VFP scumread the same player but both finding a lot of different points for the case. I really think we found scum.
That's an interesting theory on esooa. Not enough for a scumread from me but I also don't know that game and their meta like vfp does.
I'm kind of null on jj. I feel like we're a bit in the same boat. I'm only really starting to get more into the game thanks to the pressure forcing me to.
Case against me:
This might be a typo but in 86 I said sam was disingenuous, not genuine. Your 84 may not have been serious but it did get me thinking about who I'd want to vote at that point of the game. So my answer was serious. I did explain why I was voting there so I thought that showed my scumread was legit. I guess I could've been more clear on that though.
The point about 333 is fair but when looking to see if the motivation is town or scum you need to see what was done with it. Sam now townreads enchant but hasn't given any reasoning for it and won't answer me, so it's hard to use that to look for the motivation. If there was a town motivation to be disingenuous there would most likely be some sort of follow up to it and some sort of read-related gain. Looking at the rest of their iso though, they're still quite scummy in other ways which is why I stand by them being disingenuous in that post.
I questioned bear hugs in 113 for a few reasons. To see if I'm wrong about sam (I still don't think I am), to get a better read on bear hugs from seeing their explanation, to not eventually get sucked into bear hugs scumreads me and townreads my scumread so they must be scum and acting in bad faith.
I can see how 332 could look bad for me and there isn't much I can say on it except that it's an honest read on bear hugs play.
I explained the rest of my read on sam a couple posts of mine ago, although that would be after you posted this so you wouldn't have seen it yet- Raya36
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I'd be willing to move to bell and trust your case. I can see where you're coming from although their play this game doesn't really match either their town or scum meta. I obviously prefer sam but if it comes down to it I'll switchIn post 792, Bear HUGS wrote:Town!Bell doesn’t have a problem posting actual content and he gets extremely annoyed when wrongly sr. Here he’s wooden and makes meaningless useless posts. Remember Creature used to have “transparent” as a title because his alignment was the easiest to determine out of probably anyone on MS? That’s obviously no longer true since he now has an impressive scum!meta. Well Bell is the new Creature. His alignment is transparent.- Raya36
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The doubt I mentioned is my bad habit of tunneling people who are wrong on me and townread my scumread. As I just said in my last post, if it comes to it, I'll switch overIn post 795, Bear HUGS wrote:I could do a metadive on her to test this but I’m not picking that up here. @Raya, I find it curious that you express doubt on us based on my Sam read. Why don’t you then test that theory by voting out flaming obvscum!Bell?- Raya36
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Wait what do you mean by this?In post 822, Titus wrote:Anyone not seeing that this is staged Bell then Noraa flips is out of their minds imo.- Raya36
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Ok I see. You're probably right too. Bears is way too confident for pushing a miselimIn post 827, Titus wrote:
Flip Bell.In post 826, Raya36 wrote:
Wait what do you mean by this?In post 822, Titus wrote:Anyone not seeing that this is staged Bell then Noraa flips is out of their minds imo.
Bell flips town.
Flip Noraa.
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This is sometimes something I do as scum for town-cred too. Going against the grain is not town indicativeIn post 838, willow1 wrote:
why would you expect this lol, whiteknighting hoping they get flipped anyway is scum 101 and titus has watched day 1 scumflips sink scumteams completelyIn post 836, Retti wrote:
Really? I wouldn't expect her to go against the grain this much as scum, regardless of Bell's alignment, reallyIn post 828, willow1 wrote:i would dayvig titus if i could, not even remotely trying to use the wagons or vote patterns a divining tool other than this awkward defense of bell (bell should be null at best, but pooky/retti are right on meta. i thought he siteflaked but he's still in for defcon)
ik people had questions for me, will circle back in a sec
i'm not saying there isn't town incentive to defend slots, to be clear, but confused as to why you expect the opposite. titus going with the flow in absence of a strong read or lack of appetite for her read is common. she has given some explanation on the bell read/pointing to lack of anchor that i don't really buy
Yeah, you might be right. I've pretty much decided that those who feel strongly about scum!Bell are more familiar with Bell and his meta so I'm willing to trust that now. Especially since there's a decent amount of people agreeing.In post 846, Bamboozle wrote:
While he was actually posting, he fit that scum mould of posting but no content though. I think he's probably busy irl either way and not lying about that, but I think as town he'd be much more likely to power through it because he a genuine interest for the game.In post 776, Raya36 wrote:I'm back to do the things I promised I'd do.
Bell meta:
Looking at town bell, post count is massive and they start off strong as a heavy poster. Scum bell the posting is generally a bit lower and they still post decently heavy at the beginning but it seems to be less full of content.
This bell:
Very low post count and hasn't really done much content wise. The reason I'm still hesitant to say this is scum bell is because in their scum meta they still post a lot as scum early, it's just lacking content. I want to say bell was just honestly too busy and that's what prevented them from being able to post much. It is possible though that they were struggling to get into the game though as their scum meta shows, especially since I'm even struggling a lot to get into this game and that's not usual for me.
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Also to be clear on my part, I have no desire to eliminate bear as of nowIn post 858, willow1 wrote:let me be clear for bamboozle
i strongly doubt raya scum, or anyone, thinks she can get bear voted tomorrow lmao
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I believe seer is used here as a cop that checks only wolves but I could be wrongIn post 887, Dunnstral wrote:
Fake claim from another site.In post 878, Robert M Hunter wrote:I'm town 2-shot seer.
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Yep, I agree. And they were doing a good job at staying under the radar while doing it because I don't think many of us noticedIn post 937, Bear HUGS wrote:I don't necessarily think that everyone that T3 starts SRing when they go under pressure is town. The thing is that there are too many of these people which makes me think T3 is scum because he doesn't seem to have any reads of his own which I would expect a townie to have reads of their own.- Raya36
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Yeah, it was a bad take on my part that I didn't really think aboutIn post 942, Bear HUGS wrote:From what I understood it was Wheme who wanted to push us for that reason, Raya wanted to push us for Sam. Either way, it’s beyond dumb but after Animals uPick, I am extremely surprised that Raya would even assume any of our reads have been in bad faith. Why would she auto jump to the conclusion that if we were wrong on Sam, it auto translates to a bad faith read on the slot as opposed to us just being wrong? So, it’s a worrisome conclusion on her part, no matter how you look at it. - Raya36
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