DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[samantha97]

VOTE: AGAINST

unless I'm missing something total war just gives mafia more nightkills?

[samantha97]

VOTE: AGAINST

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

isn't it pointless to vote for total war then, since not all players are voting for it and votes can't be changed?

oh I forgot it requires unanimous votes lol

oh well best choice anyway

[samantha97]

I'd do it again

[samantha97]

Unconfirmed [13] - Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Bell, Robert M Hunter, Untrod Tripod, DeasVail, deep-city-lights, Mastina, The Church of Skitter, DeathNote, joqiza, marry

who wants to join the cool kid table

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

Ego

Scum?

mastina's reads look random to me?

They aren't. I have a very detailed internal model of how I expect town and scum to act in the rvs (one that is somewhat dynamic), along with what amounts to a mental algorithm for players who haven't posted to help me sort them even without posts. (Which is why the null section is too big--I should be able to sort the names in there by and large even without them having posted.) It's something I've partially explained before but I wouldn't know how to fully unpack it and even if I did, once I did, it would make the process obsolete.

I can however explain my reads.

Pooky is self-evidently a TRUE PATRIOT with love of COUNTRY AND GOD above all. He radiates town with every iota of his posting. I realize that I've yet to see a proper Pooky scumgame (I might've seen it once in a hydra? Not sure, would need to check my memory, if I did he was underwhelming but it's possible I haven't seen Pooky-scum before), so I realize that he's apparently pretty damn good at it...but he's doing everything to just be. Town. Through and through. He's just radiating, oozing, town. To borrow his own words, he bleeds red white and blue with his very essence. He's got that energy, that aura, radiating town from him in a way that just, I don't see how that's ever scum.

gorilla is basically trying to mastina mastina, with his readslist style and his town scum quoting of posts, but beyond that, the way he suggested total war, the progression in his stances, what he is doing inthread and overall the total content just seems town.

Prism is already exuding similar energy to my experience with Prism as town. I instantly clicked with Prism's opener as being town and the things Prism are doing just feel town to me in a way that's a bit hard to articulate. Call it gut if you must but I'm just pretty sure that this is Prism as town. Granted, I've not actually seen Prism as scum but this

feels

like Prism as town.

Cephrir's opener gave me scumpings as an opener more likely to be from scum, but his content since then has been very much the Cephrir as town that I got to see in Team Mafia. I realize he's a skilled enough scum player to look highly town as scum and to imitate his town meta, but what he's doing doesn't look like scum imitating their town meta, it looks like town being in their town meta.

samantha is by far the weakest of these townreads, mostly from samantha's opener.

STD I've liked so far, but while it looks vaguely town, STD is a legendary player whose skills at scum mean that this is not out of what I imagine STD's scumrange to be.

Equinox is similar, in looking town but not being locktown yet.

Nexus I lean town on from his opener but I need more to be sure.

DeasVail is pure gut.

Bell and deep-city-lights are both gut from the algorithm.
T3 is hard to get a lock on, but I do lean scum from T3's content overall.

Church of Skitter is Ali and that comes with the disclaimer that I can't read Ali worth shit, but I feel like I should be able to read Mena here. So far nothing town from them and they look scum but it's not locked.

Titus's townplay has degraded to the point where just about every game of hers I think her towngame is her as scum, and this is why she's not lockscum--but she looks and breathes scum to me right now; my previous inaccuracies are the only reason she's not lockscum here.

Vaxkiller isn't even trying to hide that he's scum here.

And Et Al is my largest scumread because it is the hydra I would expect to be the towniest slot in the game--skitter is a bloody paragon, both having won the award and being at that level to receive nominations multiple consecutive years. I would expect her to, very quickly, radiate town. She hasn't. But more than that, Something_Smart also is someone I would expect to see town in if he were town. I'm not seeing it. In fact what I'm seeing reminds me of scum-S_S.

[samantha97]

speaking of last game can anyone link any past games

I tldred everything except the defcon stuff and didn't realize it was a series of games until today

[samantha97]

VOTE: Against

sorry to hear about your grandfather

also bell is confirmed town by being the first to join the cool kids table

[samantha97]

capslock role was already taken by pooky

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

only americans are free

deasveil mafiaclaimed by being the 3rd against vote

[samantha97]

I think this role may be good to keep out of SK hands? but maybe it's not horrible for town either?

[samantha97]

every american built their own bunker

[samantha97]

It's bothering me a little that your scum reading me so hard. My role says town. I'm not acting any different than the last game we just played together as both town, and you hard town read me there. I'm not sure how I feel about all this and your alignment at the moment. It just seems weird.

wait your role doesn't say

ame

ri

can

?

[samantha97]

people sleeping on eavesdropper

completely shuts down mafia coordination if town gets it

[samantha97]

I just got an email with Total War, Launches, and Let's Build A Zoo in the title

is some deity spectating this game and trying to say something about gorilla

[samantha97]

aw I was 10 minutes late

[samantha97]

deasvail is very obviously browsing this thread on mafiascum.ru

[samantha97]

they were probably all taken immediately so just submit everything and hope you get one

[samantha97]

does mastina usually put themselves out there like that as mafia

a lot of people have been judging them

[samantha97]

creating multiple giant read lists based on nothing for some people

[samantha97]

hello vfp

[samantha97]

too brilliant because my eyes are now melted by that white activity overview

if you wanna look at the game from that angle though, with 5 russians, I figure there's at least 1 very active and 2 inactive

[samantha97]

Spoiler: merlot

[samantha97]

yes

[samantha97]

it'll trigger defcon 3 too if your slot was the last to send

[samantha97]

I'm not gonna write a playbook for them by elaborating but this seems very mafia-sided to me

[samantha97]

aw age-restricting patriotism

[samantha97]

(expired on 2021-05-05 09:25:00) remain until we move to DEFCON 3

[samantha97]

It does all feel superfluous at the moment. Am I wrong?

everyone knows their alignment in defcon 5/4 just as well as they do in 3

[samantha97]

VOTE: deasvail

[samantha97]

where did all this dv hate come from

[samantha97]

all the roles were already guaranteed to begin with?

[samantha97]

there's 21 players, 13 roles, and most roles are just better for town than a silo, so even mafia would covet them

I guess it's possible something like radar wouldn't get picked but still, holding out to be 100% sure certain roles are present seems more of a paranoid mafia mindset

[samantha97]

I am having difficulty parsing whether things in this game are sincere personal attacks or not

[samantha97]

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

random.org correctly placed me at the top

[samantha97]

I think that's 10/13

I don't intend to vote for them

[samantha97]

you can join the deasvail wagon nexus

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

hiii koto

[samantha97]

you can try to cover up that slip with steak but you mafiaclaimed with lowercase

[samantha97]

at least you were exposed by a power role instead of a steak

[samantha97]

I don't really have an opinion on mastina cause I'm not familiar with them

I'm not a fan of the wagon because it's at least partly formed based on personal reasons which is pretty messed up, and it'd be doubly messed up if they never got a chance to even post

basically when ldd went there they got a 1 day pass from me regardless of their alignment

[samantha97]

hi

[samantha97]

1. FFIX is the best Final Fantasy. I will nuke anyone who disagrees.

ffxii is the best final fantasy

[samantha97]

It’s over for you Samantha.

that's okay I'll die with good taste

[samantha97]

What if Lady Lambdadelta is committing vehicular manslaughter over her buddy Mastina?

also marry is probably scum

welcome to my wavelength

[samantha97]

I can't put what I think of bell into words, so I will put it into a picture

[samantha97]

PookyTheMagicalBear brought up an interesting point about samantha97 essentially voting for the opposite of what samantha97 said samantha97 wanted (i.e. avoiding NKs), which gives me pause; I don't know that scum would .

hmm? I assumed he was joking

skipping to defcon 1 is -1 town from an extra mafia nightkill

[samantha97]

This makes me sad.

[samantha97]

I like it too

[samantha97]

I was waiting to see what you'd preface my kupo with and I wasn't disappointed

[samantha97]

[MCMAW SYSTEM] Attention Taskforce members, this is Command. We are drafting a new cadet to replace deep-city-lights.

Soldier DeathNote has been sent a request for new messages.

Carry on soldiers.

wait what

[samantha97]

BRO YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN CATCHING UP YOU'VE JUST BEEN PLAYING SHUT THE FUCK UP

IF YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH UP AND READ THE GAME, GO FUCKING READ THE GAME INSTEAD OF PLAY

[samantha97]

is this alisae posting btw

[samantha97]

can submarine function in defcon 3?

[samantha97]

ok I stalked them and they seem to be deliberately ghosting so VOTE: mastina

[samantha97]

so how about them yankees

[samantha97]

I have never seen that gif go that long

I didn't know he yelled

[samantha97]

Does anyone have beer in a gif?

I need to chill out because people should have at minimum evaluated why no counter wagon.

no I do not because I am a real american who believes in restoring the 18th amendment

but also people were pretty much set on mastina before votes were a thing, I think mafia resigned themselves to that if mastina was mafia

[samantha97]

I have no concept of time how the heck did 2 days pass that fast

also yeah there's definitely at least 2 mafia on the mastina wagon

[samantha97]

even saying that is probably saying too much

[samantha97]

VOTE: marry

[samantha97]

scared 2 people on 1 page

[samantha97]

a lack of conviction when there's no risk is what is scary to me though

it seems performative

[samantha97]

Come to think of it, why would Marry Kupo if scum fake claim eavesdropper while scum buddy being wagoned?

Marry Kupo is likely an American.

I thought marry did the eavesdropper thing early on but they did it at l-1

if I wanna be really paranoid I'd say that that argument is exactly why they'd do it

but you're probably right

[samantha97]

mognet who is mafia

and why is it lady lambdadelta

[samantha97]

jeez you really are hung up about votes that don't do anything aren't you UNVOTE:

[samantha97]

lol

[samantha97]

99% chance mafia wanted to cut their losses and ram through doomed mastina, get some town points, and end the day fast

and who pushed it harder than lady lambdadelta

plus my tinfoil that entire time was that the reason ldd was being so harsh was because they already planned it with mastina beforehand

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

being antsy about the day not being rushed was a red flag for me too

[samantha97]

talking about ldd being mafia is a lot more productive than trying to shut down wagons in their infancy while talking about not having any reads somehow, and not being sure if mastina was bussed

if you can't express yourself why someone is mafia then at least let things play out without putting your fingers in the pie

[samantha97]

I cannot believe you really think mafia were trying to save mastina and failed to a strong list of town players lol

[samantha97]

VOTE: nexus

Spoiler:

I just learned Town of Salem is a thing (mafia game that is an actual video game) and have been nolifing it

[samantha97]

it's entirely possible they had at least one person play the good cop

ldd posts re:mognet were gross

also

The vfp wagon is the towniest of the three.

vote vfp

I actually agree with you in the sense that bell and gorilla are obviously town, except I think t3 is a really easy target in general and, while mafia would maybe get greedy about having a chance at not going after mastina (through deasvail), I strongly believe they had a gameplan going in to bus mastina

so +town points to t3 from my point of view

[samantha97]

ok vfp and t3 are not the same person apparently

[samantha97]

VOTE: vfp

[samantha97]

you think they're town but want their slot dead why

you could make the same case for any of the wagons without saying you think they are town

[samantha97]

can we not dogpile yet another person into replacing pls

just move on and refocus

[samantha97]

I don't want anyone to leave

even people with bad taste

[samantha97]

robert claimed counterintelligence a long time ago vaxkiller

mafia would have to be asleep at the wheel to not have noticed it so I have no problem saying it

with that in mind, plus something else I noticed, you're probably town

[samantha97]

viewtopic.php?p=12747559#p12747559

[samantha97]

I am reading titus as town which might mean titus is mafia lol

[samantha97]

robert is confirmed town from my point of view

[samantha97]

Vaxkiller Bell gorilla Robert M Hunter Koto T3 innocentvillager

anyone touching those people are mafiaclaiming

[samantha97]

Vaxkiller- I don't believe vaxkiller asking for robert's role was performative, there's also something else I noticed but I forget what it was lol, I'd have to reread

Bell- a beautiful pure soul

gorilla- I am not familiar with gorilla but his posts all have a town mindset, also I'm unironically trusting that prophetic build the zoo email I got

Robert- M Hunter offered role info for no reason that exposed himself to criticism/possible death, playing unlike himself as mafia from what I can tell

Koto- I don't believe mafia ydrasse would replace out over that, unless there was spillover into mafia chat and they are teammates

T3- was not on board with the planned bus to an awkward degree

innocentvillager- outside of hyperparanoid good cop theory, they've taken a lot of risk to be mafia (even with that theory), also I have another not-so-paranoid but still paranoid theory that they are going against as well

[samantha97]

Deas and samantha i assume the TRs on me are because of Mognet? nothing I have done is AI yet right?

ya

innocentvillager Mognet Prism - Prism seemed townie, Mognet annoyed me and tbh I can't view this slot objectively. Haven't read a single IV post.
samantha97 - Ya if Mognet is town this is probably scum huh. It mostly just makes sense because while it is reasonable for sam to say "guys LLD bussed" the way I feel like it was played could come from scum who tried to do something and just, gave up? I mean there's 1 scum in {Sam, Mognet} that's just facts.

what even is this

sobriety check?

[samantha97]

you never stated the link between me and mognet or why one of us has to be mafia instead of both town/both mafia

[samantha97]

oh so it's anchored in ldd being mafia?

[samantha97]

it's kind of insulting to guess lol

also I was way offbase with ldd aw

[samantha97]

we have to believe that mastina getting eavesdropper was just happenstance then, don't we?

[samantha97]

idk I'm going to take post-death mafia posts with a grain of salt

could have just been an attempt at a parting gift for his team

[samantha97]

I thought innocentvillager was literally piglet in their avatar

[samantha97]

but i wanna nuke someone

deasvail

[samantha97]

what's the case on deasvail

[samantha97]

the case is they voted 'against' 3rd + poe

2nd vote had the most to lose, 3rd more likely mafia

[samantha97]

imagine having 110 pages of game and your case being "3rd vote = scum"

ya I'm not gonna put a caught fish back in water and create a machine to catch it again

[samantha97]

why innocent/robert?

[samantha97]

nexus nuked innocentvillager
save the dragons nuked koto

tldr is people nuking my townreads

[samantha97]

samantha97 - samantha97 gunning to vote against total war was ballsy, and my thinking earlier in the game was that samantha97 trying to do it to deny scum kills when the reality was that delaying total war granted scum a Night kill (and terrorist two Night kills, but I'm not hunting SK for now) made samantha97 more likely to be town than scum.

skip 3+2 = 1 lynch 2 non-town nks on first voting cycle
defcon 3 = 1 lynch 1 non-town nk (sk) on first voting cycle

it's +1 town as a baseline since mafia get 1 less nightkill (only time it wouldn't be is if mafia were to hit terrorist)

That way half the game basically suicides. There's a good chance at least one scum wil be in there. If anyone claims to havein ABM mode then we lim.

0 mafia will nuke you, especially if town do

also we don't know for sure any mafia have a silo, even if it makes sense for them to

and I maintain that

Vaxkiller Bell gorilla Robert M Hunter Koto T3 innocentvillager

are town and people should recall nukes on them

koto is the weakest since it's just replace speculation but still

plus t3 puts mafia in an awkward position if left alive

[samantha97]

submarine already claimed too btw

[samantha97]

is t3 already locked in or can deathnote still cancel?

[samantha97]

or deasvail

[samantha97]

spicey take Terrorist probably plays town of salem. they're using the public leak as their like death note thing or whatever.

Spoiler:

I just learned Town of Salem is a thing (mafia game that is an actual video game) and have been nolifing it

but yeah it's probably accurate but we shouldn't trust it 100% going forward

[samantha97]

koto is gonna die in a couple hours though unless there's some battleship magic

[samantha97]

Koto - As much as I hate to bring outside influences into this, I strongly doubt Merlot would have replaced out in the circumstance that she did if she were scum. The frustration with my slot would not have been the same.

i will admit to being partially swayed by this reasoning from DeasVail and Equinox

that's what I felt too but I did have a caveat that makes me wonder now

Koto- I don't believe mafia ydrasse would replace out over that, unless there was spillover into mafia chat and they are teammates

also cool, maybe there will be 0-1 mafia left after nukes resolve if they really were all awol/inactive

[samantha97]

the argument for marry being town is that mafia pushed her + she claimed eavesdropper as a joke when a mafia eavesdropper was l-1

[samantha97]

koto also said something about marry if I remember right

[samantha97]

she claimed eavesdropper as a joke when a mafia eavesdropper was l-1

why does this matter?

all depends how you interpret marry as a person

most people wouldn't do something as bold as joke about having the role your teammate is about to be revealed as

the remainder would do something like that just so people would take that as them being town

[samantha97]

idk how you interpreted what I said as forcing something down

I was explaining the argument for town while also saying why it could not be town

never played with marry before but joqiza has, and last I saw he thinks she's town

[samantha97]

VOTE: deasvail

[samantha97]

I saw the final fantasy thing as potentially an excuse to use a nuke on town

their nuke target as being perceived by them as possibly low hanging fruit

and the abortion as potentially avoiding looking bad due to the reactions to it

but also idk not nuking me might just mean town

[samantha97]

Time to figure out what the other thing you noticed was @samantha, you mention it multiple times but never actually clarify.

that's cause I noticed something when I read his posts and then forgot it even by when I first mentioned it

I've been right about everyone except koto though who was the weakest townread anyway, and I maintain that makes equinox more likely to be mafia

[samantha97]

it's entirely possible they aren't but I think it bled into mafia chat since abandoning your team over an offensive 1 liner from town doesn't seem normal to me (there were 6 hours in between those posts)

[samantha97]

Why can't Cephrir be an option again?

pretending like I'm mafia and bussed both mastina (reasonable) and vfp (insane) makes him great from my point of view

[samantha97]

but titus should not have the desire to nuke me given she is familiar enough to know I'm town, so that's a big red flag

[samantha97]

cephrir let me tell you a secret

there is no universe in which I will ever help a mafia wagon grow as mafia, unless that person is just doomed

it's so illogical to me that it's a borderline trust tell lol

also

when it's proven wrong so easily

skip 3+2 = 1 lynch 2 non-town nks on first voting cycle
defcon 3 = 1 lynch 1 non-town nk (sk) on first voting cycle

it's +1 town as a baseline since mafia get 1 less nightkill (only time it wouldn't be is if mafia were to hit terrorist)

[samantha97]

I wasn't 100% sure at the time (and thought people could just outvote me if I was wrong) but yeah it's as I said

defcon 1 (total war) enables both nks instead of 1 during the first phase of voting

[samantha97]

Like by play I get it but the data doesn't support it

can you elaborate on this pls

[samantha97]

if we start talking about bussers, then yah, Sam's one of the first slots I'd look at.

it's a really bad idea to lynch mafia ever, as this is more of a numbers game than anything else (if we make it to day 2 with all mafia alive & a successful nightkill, we basically win)

bussing is always bad, whether day 1 day 7 day 24

just don't self destruct and it'll be fine

I know you don't know me, but thinking I'd bus, especially in a situation where we just lost a member, is like thinking bell is mafia here

[samantha97]

idc if you agree with me about deasvail because poe will resolve that slot eventually

I guess it's +1 town to him for not disarming the nuke at koto, but I wonder what kind of backlash that'd receive

[samantha97]

I gave my thought process already

we're in a game with unlimited dayvigs and there's 1 person voting against with a lot voting total war

you don't want to stick out, so the 2nd vote for against is the riskiest and happened to be cast by the beautiful bell

once the 2nd vote is cast it's not as risky and voting for it can be mistakenly perceived as giving town points

obviously this isn't as good as using cop on him, but for me the odds are good enough to stand by it

[samantha97]

What's your read on Titus/Vax rn? I remember you TR Vax for not being aware of Rob's soft, but I'm starting to feel a little hopeful that there's a 2/2 there.

I can't read titus in the sense that when she was town I thought she was mafia even after I was dead lol

the unnerving thing is I have been reading her posts as town this game, and then she recently posted stuff suggesting it's possible for me to be mafia which I doubt she would genuinely believe (I could be wrong though, I have no idea what mafia titus is like)

haven't seen anything from vaxkiller that would make me reevaluate

[samantha97]

even if dv is scum that case sucks ass and i struggle to believe that has had more impact on you than anything else that's happened all game, such as more dv posts you could use to further evaluate this feeling

has deasvail posted something that would make him less likely to be mafia, other than making it known he could stop the koto nuke and not doing it

[samantha97]

also in general his posts make me feel happy inside but i suppose that's not a great reason to tr someone

I do feel bad because he seems nice + has a cute avatar

[samantha97]

I was more interested in the play part though

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

VOTE: equinox

[samantha97]

N2 Checked Cephir he is not mafia

Toogeloo
Equinox The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx)
DeasVail
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
Titus

there's 2 mafia in there then

[samantha97]

mafia have a vested interest in nuking me/potentially know my role already, so might as well just say I'm airbase

entire reason I posted first after draft was so I would get hit with nightkills

and thinking mafia know my role is a large part of why I've seen pushes on me as mafia driven, so you being cleared was nice

[samantha97]

airbase can be confirmed through role failure

[samantha97]

like there are 2 mafia left and one of them according to you is DV whose role has nothing to do with that... ???

ngl i think swiping the airbase from bell is a very terroristy move and with that atop my scumread and your earlier refusal to claim, uh, yeah

I'm not omniscient, I've been suspecting church has fighter or something and got a null result on me n1/2, and if I was terrorist I wouldn't have to swipe it from bell I could just take a dupe of it

second it being assumed bell had it was just as good as him having it

third idc if you think I'm terrorist as long as you stop thinking I'm mafia for no reason lol

[samantha97]

Can't find any reliable reference for her scumplay to see if the selfmeta is accurate either.

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[samantha97]

please take your shoes off at the door

[samantha97]

I don't really think it matters much at this point

Toogeloo
JohnnyFarrar Equinox The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx)
DeasVail
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
Titus

14 players alive and through poe if everyone listed above was dead we'd autowin I think, barring a rogue terrorist

[samantha97]

just get your nuke on town in church instead of trying to get approval

[samantha97]

once nukes started I got the same depressive energy as in the last vs game I was in, I really can't stand the lack of control

didn't help that people were systematically nuking every one of my townreads lol

[samantha97]

@Sam can you explain the thought process behind taking Air Base? Like I get the wifom potential w/ people thinking Bell has Air Base or whatever but it doesn't really... seem as good as just having a consensus villager in an Air Base. And you were TRing him I thought?

I thought it was playing to my strengths since I've never been lynched as town before

[samantha97]

What stopped you from making your opinions known?

people reading them

[samantha97]

people are acting like I've been afk or something and it's annoying

nuke me or w/e I'm ghosting this game for a while

[samantha97]

because you don't have one and are a mafia fighter

[samantha97]

I think this action is more likely to come from scum because if Sam is town and I was in their position, I would not push this right away, I would attempt to gather more evidence for my case by watching LLD's actions and observing them. I think scum are more likely to come out and push this right away.
Mognet resonated with my thought process but Mognet read like he was attacking sam in a way that made me feel very uncomfortable and it made me feel like at the time, if Mognet is scum, its probably with LLD.

I'd like to point out that what was weird about mognet was that he was the one who first brought up lady lambdadelta bussing mastina (the day they were voted out), and then he acted like I was committing a sin by keeping the same opinion as he had the the next day

What if Lady Lambdadelta is committing vehicular manslaughter over her buddy Mastina?

also marry is probably scum

welcome to my wavelength

I do not wish to get into a fight about LLD.

I think she is town. Some things I said were independent of alignment.

Push her and I vote you.

LLD + Mastina was a paranoia theory I would only consider if you flip American.

calls it "a paranoia theory" that he would only consider if I flip american

[samantha97]

Disappointed that didn't get questions, but I'm serious: What actual good reasons are there to clear joqiza? I don't think the mastina thing is convincing in and of itself.

the main thing is claiming submarine I guess instead of keeping it a secret

he was off mastina entirely and only joined vfp late

though being off mastina can be +town depending how you look at it, and being on vfp is better than being off entirely

[samantha97]

it would be very hard to over time yes

[samantha97]

you'd have to claim a role you know no one picked like radar

[samantha97]

idk I assume now since it's bad and no one claimed it

[samantha97]

assume not*

[samantha97]

Wow Johnny's best nuke is STD if we're going by my reads is this how desperate we are what the fuck

nuking someone who nuked mafia is just foolish

vaxkiller can supposedly confirm him if you really care that much

also I notice you're pushing another nuke target instead of just using your own

[samantha97]

I feel bad about being page top instead of that giant post by gorilla

[samantha97]

yeah i still think it's insane that reads are coming above nuking scum and i'm like, the king of ignoring mech

and he has vaxkiller above you yet vaxkiller's result is that you aren't mafia

[samantha97]

JohnnyFarrar (2) - DeasVail, samantha97

[samantha97]

it feels liberating because people who can't read me aren't bogging me or the thread down

[samantha97]

fighter is no different than espionage or possibly radar

[samantha97]

submarine battleship and espionage are the shadiest claims, all context removed, in the sense that mafia had a high chance of wanting them

[samantha97]

it says there's 5 in the opening

[samantha97]

it would be funny if it was vaxkiller+cephrir

[samantha97]

Sooo I think we are down to just

church toogeloo titus johnny deasvail

[samantha97]

how is he not is the question

without a solid reason there's no reason to remove him from the pool

[samantha97]

exactly how many days do you think this will run with so many dayvigs lol

[samantha97]

also if he were mafia he wouldn't have to battleship you at all, he'd just have to not kill you

[samantha97]

when pooky died I thought to myself that the person who claimed battleship would be mafia, but his targets do make sense

I just wouldn't rule out the possibility is all

[samantha97]

terrorist has no incentive to kill espionage unless they think espionage is controlled by mafia

[samantha97]

lol wut?

if you checked terrorist you'd get an innocent?

[samantha97]

the only way to get a guilty is to specifically choose to hunt for terrorist instead of mafia

[samantha97]

not unless at least 1 other mafia dies, because why would you change your search until then

[samantha97]

no clue but you already know I'm american

[samantha97]

that vfp/t3 slip was legit, I genuinely didn't connect the dots that they were the same person

plus you were mafia with me vaxkiller, you remember how much I was against bussing

the only reason I voted for you at all before the hammer was because I didn't look at who my teammates were until after lol

[samantha97]

weren't the same person*

[samantha97]

there's accountability with titus though

you'd have to have joqiza nuke first

[samantha97]

you should not let someone with the ability to intercept nukes go to the next day

[samantha97]

if there was another nuke who would you nuke

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:
so he's town then

[samantha97]

Mastina's first list:

PookyTheMagicalBear

gorilla

Prism

Cephrir (fastest backtrack in the west: I thought his opener was scum but his posts since then make me think town)

samantha97

Save the Dragons

Equinox

Nexus

DeasVail

Lady Lambdadelta

Toogeloo

Robert M Hunter

Untrod Tripod

DeathNote

joqiza

mary

Bell

deep-city-lights

T3

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)

Titus

Vaxkiller

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town null (I need to shrink this I know) lean scum scumread scum.

based on the list i'm thinking it's one of {Prism/Mog/IV, Sam, gorilla, Cephrir}, and one of {DV, Titus}

I don't think it's gorilla or sam and Cephrir has a clear. Maybe I'm confirm biasing myself into this position though, but I think Prism and Mastina town read each other in order to try and protect each other.

[samantha97]

easy

[samantha97]

flips?

[samantha97]

no there's only one targeted at me

[samantha97]

did you ever say why

cause I'm not sure if you somehow think I'm mafia or if you just think I'm terrorist

it seemed like my read on deasvail, which is probably accurate btw, was what bothered you immensely for some reason, but that should mean you think I'm mafia right?

[samantha97]

In theory there's an argument for recalling the nuke and investigating her, but. Urgh.

you can't investigate me because I'm air base

[samantha97]

I still can't scumhunt for crap tbh

looking at nukes vs wagons you definitely are doing better than most lol

[samantha97]

I thought you were a deer

[samantha97]

it does to me

[samantha97]

I'm not trolling and meant to comment on the deer earlier actually

it might be easier to see it's not a deer without the smiley face thing

[samantha97]

I thought it was a baby or something

[samantha97]

it's the final hour that you have a chance to spare me in mr. deer



pls let this american live longer; look at the red white and blue in my wardrobe

[samantha97]

well in addition to the weird lady lambdadelta moment from mognet that I mentioned, there was one other weird moment from innocentvillager himself

viewtopic.php?p=12765122#p12765122

it read like he was trying to heavily imply I was the terrorist while acting like he didn't know I brought that up before

[samantha97]

less than 15 minutes left to save me cephrir

[samantha97]

I won't be gone I will haunt you for another 24 hours

[samantha97]

gg I was mafia

[samantha97]

yeah of course I'm not mafia you all should feel bad

[samantha97]

no

[samantha97]

{Titus, Bell, Toogeloo, Joqiza, marry, Vaxkiller}
{Cephrir, Gorilla, IV}
{DeasVail}
{STD}
{JohnnyFarrar}

cephrir and vaxkiller are linked alignment-wise

also std directly killing 33% of his team should put him higher than that

heck they should be in their own tier above all the other peons

[samantha97]

terrorist does know which is which, I asked

[samantha97]

innocentvillager what do you think of johnnyfarrar

[samantha97]

imo the guilty conscience thing doesn't make sens

I just got an email with Total War, Launches, and Let's Build A Zoo in the title

is some deity spectating this game and trying to say something about gorilla

the first two are both things I didn't do... maybe the deity was trying to say not to build a zoo

and that gorilla is mafia

[samantha97]

I already said I thought his avatar was piglet

[samantha97]

and oh deasvail is a fox obviously, it looks like robinhood or something

[samantha97]

ok now that avatar is a stocking

[samantha97]

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

hi who do you think is mafia

[samantha97]

the universe already did with me as its courier

[samantha97]

I stand by this readslist

Vaxkiller- I don't believe vaxkiller asking for robert's role was performative, there's also something else I noticed but I forget what it was lol, I'd have to reread

Bell- a beautiful pure soul

gorilla- I am not familiar with gorilla but his posts all have a town mindset, also I'm unironically trusting that prophetic build the zoo email I got

Robert- M Hunter offered role info for no reason that exposed himself to criticism/possible death, playing unlike himself as mafia from what I can tell

Koto- I don't believe mafia ydrasse would replace out over that, unless there was spillover into mafia chat and they are teammates

T3- was not on board with the planned bus to an awkward degree

innocentvillager- outside of hyperparanoid good cop theory, they've taken a lot of risk to be mafia (even with that theory), also I have another not-so-paranoid but still paranoid theory that they are going against as well

it has not been proven wrong yet

and so I agree with going with johnny first even if shadier people are voting him now

also stop chasing after save the dragons it makes less sense than nuking me did

[samantha97]

I also don't buy titus' empty-handed vca that excused a nuke on nexus

[samantha97]

aw flooding out my final moments