Newbie 2062: The Hubble Telescope - End!

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:10 am

Town Pool - { Andante, Orc, Rational, Rathe }
Scum Pool - { T3, Ivy, Demainer, VFP }

Andante what's your thoughts on the other three in the scum-pool?

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:10 am

Also the town-group of Rathe and Rational aren't set because I think they've been acting Townie. It's plain mechanical reasonings but when more flips happen they will likely fall from that

Andante · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:17 am

In post 600, JacksonVirgo wrote:Town Pool - { Andante, Orc, Rational, Rathe }
Scum Pool - { T3, Ivy, Demainer, VFP }

Andante what's your thoughts on the other three in the scum-pool?

Idk. I've been too distracted by rational/rathe all game. I can't focus when I'm being tunneled, and your whole scum pool has been coasting through the rational "arguments" which I literally don't blame them. It wasn't the friendliest environment to talk... this is literally a newbie game, yet the heat has been turned way up "VOTE THE DOC OUT OR YOU'RE WRONG" so if I were in those 4, I would also be coasting....

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:17 am

Spoiler:

In post 127, Andante wrote:
In post 43, Clasko wrote:Hello all!

Reading, reading...
^ VERY cautious

I also read that post to be strange

In post 58, Clasko wrote:
In post 25, RationalMadman wrote:T3 supporting me is easily to soften me up and/or to frame me if T3 flips scum later.

In post 26, RationalMadman wrote:T3 may be town, on balance, because of how actively he defended Ivy agaibst Demainer wheb he noticed she was 2/5 and Demainer's response to T3 was worth scum reading somewhat.
Do you have a preference between labelling him town/mafia here? You seem conflicted.

In post 41, T3 wrote:Also what are everyone's thoughts on Demainer. His meta seems very different to 2060.
Nothing is pinging me to a change in meta for him. He is playing and posting as I would expect him to rn based on 2060.

In post 14, orctin wrote:Cause it's a good play for a scummie to push on anther who made a high profile post. at the very least it attracts attention where scum want it - away from them.
Eh, I'm getting "helpful for the sake of appearing helpful" vibes from this:

VOTE: orctin
^ "You seem conflicted." What kind of line is this?? I could follow what Rational was saying pretty easily, it's not rocket science to figure out what T3 is doing right now.
Then there's a comment on meta, is it stemming from having TMI? who knows, idk the person
"helpful for the sake of appearing helpful" vibes LMAOOO fam. the game JUST started.. AND orc was responding to me? so you're taking it out of context... something scum loves to do.

Just saying that the point of them not following Rational is NAI, they could have just not understood it. Just because you do doesn't mean everyone does etc
2. From the wording it seems like it's just a meta-read from an earlier game so doesn't feel like TMI
3. I have no real comments on this one. Your case and the section itself seem like it's nothing I can really cover.

In post 60, Clasko wrote:
In post 6, Ivyeo wrote:VOTE: Clasko
It's impossible to be Pr twice in a row
/s
Also, I skipped over this, how dare you >:c
c;
^ "I skipped the first post of the game, oh no!" you sure you weren't distracted with a private thread? mmmm

I think the end bit of this is a tad confbias. But I do think that that is a weird post in retrospect.

In post 97, Clasko wrote:
In post 27, T3 wrote:Ivy is lean town for me if Demainer is scum. Other than that, I'm not sure about Ivy.

In post 93, T3 wrote:Town:RM
Lean town: Rathe, Ivy
Null: Clasko
Lean scum: orctin, Andante
Scum: Dem
Some questions for you, T3:

1. Why do you townread Ivy? You say "if Demainer is scum" but I don't see the correlation.
2. Where does JacksonVirgo place?
^ Ok, so on these questions you "seem to have" You ask about a lean town rather than the solid town he has marked? you ask about the solid SR, you feel no need to ask about Rational being solid town so soon? And we only care about Ivy in the lean towns? interesting. These feel like questions you don't care about the answers to, meaning you post, and leave, and think you're looking towny. These questions also don't even help progress the game, but this is the only "significant" thing you've done.

In post 99, Clasko wrote:
In post 95, orctin wrote:If they are masons then at this point they might as well say so cause by what being said scum already know - if not then it's a sidetrack arguement to sow doubt among town
The lesser of two evils is ensuring Mafia aren't certain where the PR's are.
^ You know they aren't both masons, one is your partner, and it feels like you said this to seem towny like, by saying this, it's your argument for your partner not having to claim they're not a mason.

This game is way too easy

VOTE: Clasko

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:19 am

In post 602, Andante wrote:
In post 600, JacksonVirgo wrote:Town Pool - { Andante, Orc, Rational, Rathe }
Scum Pool - { T3, Ivy, Demainer, VFP }

Andante what's your thoughts on the other three in the scum-pool?

Idk. I've been too distracted by rational/rathe all game. I can't focus when I'm being tunneled, and your whole scum pool has been coasting through the rational "arguments" which I literally don't blame them. It wasn't the friendliest environment to talk... this is literally a newbie game, yet the heat has been turned way up "VOTE THE DOC OUT OR YOU'RE WRONG" so if I were in those 4, I would also be coasting....

I feel ya lol. I'm the same, I need to widen my reads. But that would make Rathe/Rational needing to can their words and make a compromise with the Town in order to actually progress. I think that Town being unable to post in that a lot less likely than at least one scum coasting to see what happens. If Rational/You are both Town there is almost definitely a scum in the ones that were actively lurking.

Andante · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:24 am

In post 604, JacksonVirgo wrote:Rathe/Rational needing to can their words and make a compromise with the Town

LMAOOO good luck with that one.

Like, I think you're town, inside my head... town and scum aren't trying to tunnel the doc, sooo I feel like Rational is tunneling me more off of ego, Rathe is just kinda riding Rational's wave, so Rathe could be scum tunneling.

And I mean, if I was new, I wouldn't jump into the hostile environment... I feel like scum would try and jump in though

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:44 am

In post 605, Andante wrote:Rathe is just kinda riding Rational's wave, so Rathe could be scum tunneling.

Rathe is the first to vote you/keep vote on you after your claim. So I find it hard to conceptualize why scum!them would do that

orctin · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 4:47 am

In post 606, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 605, Andante wrote:Rathe is just kinda riding Rational's wave, so Rathe could be scum tunneling.
Rathe is the first to vote you/keep vote on you after your claim. So I find it hard to conceptualize why scum!them would do that

That's my biggest issue as well - and the only real thing that hit me that andante could be faking it - not saying she is but something just didn't add up there.

VFP · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 5:48 am

In post 573, JacksonVirgo wrote:By that are you agreeing with me or otherwise? Your wording here is somewhat confusing.
The doctor claimant is NOT flipping today, that's final and even if they did Rational wouldn't be the push post-flip imo.

A frustrated scum!andante could 100% do this play here and Rathe either in coordination or out of opportunistic nature does this in return to either set up a possible Tracker claim (as to why they are refusing to claim) or reap in the town-cred if Andante gets flipped or Masonry claims.

I meant can't not can sorry.
It's a possibility of course, but I'll need a lot.to see that. I also know that Andante claims early as PR.

Andante · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 6:03 am

In post 608, VFP wrote:I also know that Andante claims early as PR.

lol not all the time... XD

UNVOTE:

Rathe · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 7:32 am

i will reveal my thoughts on day 2

Rathe · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 7:32 am

the most probable mafia partner would be T3

Rathe · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 7:35 am

question to everyone do u townread someone who thinks u r mafia

VFP · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 7:38 am

Yes.

Anyway, let's see where this goes then.
VOTE: T3

@T3

full reads?

Ivyeo · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 8:52 am

[quote="In post 567, JacksonVirgo"
That's also wrong.

There's a 1/3 chance that a doctor fake-claim succeeds in a Goon/Goon setup. I know this because I've done it before[/quote]
That's where there is a Town Cop.[/quote]
For reference, I very nearly attempted it last game

Ivyeo · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 8:55 am

In post 590, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 587, orctin wrote:I've played for 6 years on forum games elsewhere that are more what they refer to as "role madness" i think - i have rarely played a majority VT minumal game but wanted to try new things. I also run my own Discord Mafia game with 20-30 player average games which is also more "everyone has roles" and i play on a "Werewolf" discord server which is more based on Town of Salem - Coven addition - so yea - playing here is totally new to me and the whole game mechanics and how yall play i'm having to learn on the fly
UNVOTE:
I no longer wish to eliminate this.

I was an owner of a Discord Mafia server but I am not anymore, still a part of it though. I'll have to ask you about that post-game :)

What about that changed your mind?

RationalMadman · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:03 am

Today we vote clasko's replacement or andante, trust me that is the most probable team.

RationalMadman · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:06 am

I refuse to townread andante

RationalMadman · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:07 am

VFP please claim this is essential, if you are PR claim very fast, I am willing to vote you if you are not.

RationalMadman · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

In post 557, VFP wrote:
In post 432, Demainer wrote:we definitely have at least 1 scum in clasko t3 orc ivy.
Demainer looks pretty town to me.

In post 445, Demainer wrote:it outs the setup for scum, not the prs. they still need to hunt for pr
This is just town minded here.

I don't know how to read that action by Ivyeo to be honest. It could be Town easily if she had a strong townread on Andante and scumread on T3 combined with a townread on me, given the situation.

RationalMadman · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

Sorry I quoted the wrong post.

RationalMadman · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:11 am

In post 556, VFP wrote:
In post 523, Ivyeo wrote:VOTE: Rathe

This is E-1

Comes back, still voting, no CC
Is this town to anyone?

I meant to reply to this.

VFP · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:12 am

In post 618, RationalMadman wrote:VFP please claim this is essential, if you are PR claim very fast, I am willing to vote you if you are not.

I don't claim for the sake of it. If you think I'm scum then vote me.

T3 · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:14 am

In post 613, VFP wrote:Yes.

Anyway, let's see where this goes then.
VOTE: T3

@T3
full reads?

Town: Andante
Lean town: JV, VFP, Demainer
Null: orctin
Lean scum: Rational, Ivy
Scum: Rathe

RationalMadman · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 9:18 am

In post 622, VFP wrote:
In post 618, RationalMadman wrote:VFP please claim this is essential, if you are PR claim very fast, I am willing to vote you if you are not.
I don't claim for the sake of it. If you think I'm scum then vote me.

I do but not based in yoyr posts at all, Clasko and his interactions (or lack thereof) make me read him as laidback scum partner of a more active player.