Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[catboi]

Okay, everyone cool with it? Cool.

VOTE: Keep

Let's get this.

WHY

I'm town!

Do you assume you're going to be townread enough to be voted there? I don't understand the mindset.

[unwnd]

If I were undertaking everything going on right now with an unguarded mindset:

I liked Absin's mentality early and was willing to give it a pass.
I would think Briar is making me feel good about myself. I appreciate that to a sentimental degree.
I think you (Ana) are very sensitive to my alignment and want to figure out what it is, so you're picking through my logic and trying to find inconsistencies. I don't think the notion is scummy and I want to believe it's in best interest.

Now I'm gonna let you in on my problem with this-- There's 9 players in this game and maybe in some perfect world you all 3 can be town. Do I foolishly believe that? Do you think Me/Absin could be scum together, or was her scumreading you a kneejerk response?

[Briar]

In general I think he has a dry sort of way in how he posts/presents himself comparatively to some people but I don't actually get the feeling that he's frustrated over what's happening so much as like... trying to get it since it doesn't make a lot of sense to him? That matches up with how I known unwnd as a player and when he's been around situations where people are basing things in social cues/reads versus gamestate, etc.

[Infinity 324]

I didn't realize we all got to vote on all the minigames.

I don't think we do. At least, that wasn't the intent.

@mod - ?

[Briar]

In general I think he has a dry sort of way in how he posts/presents himself comparatively to some people but I don't actually get the feeling that he's frustrated over what's happening so much as like... trying to get it since it doesn't make a lot of sense to him? That matches up with how I known unwnd as a player and when he's been around situations where people are basing things in social cues/reads versus gamestate, etc.

Though the caveat is that in recent memory I do remember him sort of flippantly going "meh, I'm not here for this sort of thing/don't like it" as previously mentioned so I don't know if I should be reading more into him trying to understand it all, like he's putting in more work here over it.

[Briar]

Okay, everyone cool with it? Cool.

VOTE: Keep

Let's get this.

WHY

I'm town!

Do you assume you're going to be townread enough to be voted there? I don't understand the mindset.

Yes LMAO.

What do you make of that?

[Anastasia]

The approach isn't what is scummy to me - it's the emotional undertone I'm reading in the post and how it doesn't match up with the mindset.

I try really hard to not let my emotions guide my decisions. Do you think that's foolish of me?

I think it's fine for you to NAI-bin all of the emotional interactions in the game but it wouldn't explain why your post feels like you disapprove.

[absinthe]

you should tune up that pingdar, then.

You think I should have townpings from you at this point?

kinda depends on how your towndar works, if you're town. I'm not obfuscating my alignment or playstyle at all. I had intended to see if I could reprise the absinthe playstyle for this game, but that's out the window.

This will be a swan song game.

[unwnd]

#176 should clarify my thoughts hopefully

[Something_Smart]

Yes LMAO.

What do you make of that?

oh no now I have an alt guess for you that I'm not happy about

[Anastasia]

I liked Absin's mentality early and was willing to give it a pass.

She's one of the best scum players on the site. I would not trust her anywhere near the Keep.

Your reaction to her self-meta of towntelling easily gave me chills.

[unwnd]

In general I think he has a dry sort of way in how he posts/presents himself comparatively to some people but I don't actually get the feeling that he's frustrated over what's happening so much as like... trying to get it since it doesn't make a lot of sense to him? That matches up with how I known unwnd as a player and when he's been around situations where people are basing things in social cues/reads versus gamestate, etc.

Though the caveat is that in recent memory I do remember him sort of flippantly going "meh, I'm not here for this sort of thing/don't like it" as previously mentioned so I don't know if I should be reading more into him trying to understand it all, like he's putting in more work here over it.

This is shockingly astute and I slightly fear you now

[Briar]

Yes LMAO.

What do you make of that?

oh no now I have an alt guess for you that I'm not happy about

Why ever not, S_S?

[Infinity 324]

I take back what I said about my scumreads mattering, I didn't realize we all got to vote on all the minigames. I still feel like the wall is the place where obvtowning is the least important (because if you're not conftown at the gate, you need to obvtown to not get limmed, and at the keep you need to obvtown to get voted). Unwnd why do you disagree?

@unwnd

[Lukewarm]

I may have exaggerated my anti-confidence for comedic effect. It is more like, I am becoming aware that my experience, primarily in ONUW, which is played face-to-face with friends and family, does not translate 1 to 1 to playing here.


Also, I have reconsidered, I don't think I should be in the Gate. Before the game started, I was only thinking about them individually, and not thinking about the fact that the IC would be important for the other areas as well.

So I think my preference now would be keep>wall>gate

Ohh, the classic self-deprecation. I get that.

What makes you want to go to the Keep? I have few guesses but I wanna hear what's on your mind about that one. :>

Also, is it influenced at all by you having a read on me, since I'm at the Keep?

For me, in the Keep, there are two win conditions for me.
I correctly read the other two players, find the scum, and vote the other town player
Or, alternatively, I could be the one voted for

In the Castle, there is only 1 win condition. I have to correctly identify the scum, if I fail, town loses that minigame.

In the Gate, then I think they will make me the IC (especially after the posts I have made ) So the win condition is the same as the castle, but now I would become an important voice for the other minigames as well. Not sure I want that responsibility.

Spoiler:

No, I did not remember who had put themselves into the keep, so that wasn't part of my reasoning

[Anastasia]

I think you (Ana) are very sensitive to my alignment and want to figure out what it is, so you're picking through my logic and trying to find inconsistencies. I don't think the notion is scummy and I want to believe it's in best interest.

I try to solve the important people first.

Do you think I'm faking my solving of your alignment?

[absinthe]

Unwnd feels town to me

Sure this isn't a little premature?

Why would it be?

That was a gentle jibe about your objections to me being townread quickly in WH13. And a note-to-self that you've put out an early townread on a skilled player.

[Briar]

In general I think he has a dry sort of way in how he posts/presents himself comparatively to some people but I don't actually get the feeling that he's frustrated over what's happening so much as like... trying to get it since it doesn't make a lot of sense to him? That matches up with how I known unwnd as a player and when he's been around situations where people are basing things in social cues/reads versus gamestate, etc.

Though the caveat is that in recent memory I do remember him sort of flippantly going "meh, I'm not here for this sort of thing/don't like it" as previously mentioned so I don't know if I should be reading more into him trying to understand it all, like he's putting in more work here over it.

This is shockingly astute and I slightly fear you now

No please come back to me, I promise, I am a non-threatening anime-girl poster.

[catboi]

Okay, thoughts readswise:

I like unwnd's early energy

I townread Infinity's 52 - something about that mindset fees like it's coming from town

I think Lukewarm's posts have been solidly town and he'd be my first pick for someone to send to the wall right now

No particular scum pings yet

[unwnd]

I take back what I said about my scumreads mattering, I didn't realize we all got to vote on all the minigames. I still feel like the wall is the place where obvtowning is the least important (because if you're not conftown at the gate, you need to obvtown to not get limmed, and at the keep you need to obvtown to get voted). Unwnd why do you disagree?

@unwnd

It's a much better leverage to go into a XYLO with no clear with one person you slightly trust over two people you don't trust at all. You can use that to see how the individual feels about you townreading them or vice-versa.

[unwnd]

I think you (Ana) are very sensitive to my alignment and want to figure out what it is, so you're picking through my logic and trying to find inconsistencies. I don't think the notion is scummy and I want to believe it's in best interest.

I try to solve the important people first.

Do you think I'm faking my solving of your alignment?

I'm not sure yet, could you get back to me on the other stance I provided re: Absin/Me being scum together?

[catboi]

Okay, everyone cool with it? Cool.

VOTE: Keep

Let's get this.

WHY

I'm town!

Do you assume you're going to be townread enough to be voted there? I don't understand the mindset.

Yes LMAO.

What do you make of that?

Why do you think that? Why would you not wait to see if other people are okay with it?

[Briar]

I may have exaggerated my anti-confidence for comedic effect. It is more like, I am becoming aware that my experience, primarily in ONUW, which is played face-to-face with friends and family, does not translate 1 to 1 to playing here.


Also, I have reconsidered, I don't think I should be in the Gate. Before the game started, I was only thinking about them individually, and not thinking about the fact that the IC would be important for the other areas as well.

So I think my preference now would be keep>wall>gate

Ohh, the classic self-deprecation. I get that.

What makes you want to go to the Keep? I have few guesses but I wanna hear what's on your mind about that one. :>

Also, is it influenced at all by you having a read on me, since I'm at the Keep?

For me, in the Keep, there are two win conditions for me.
I correctly read the other two players, find the scum, and vote the other town player
Or, alternatively, I could be the one voted for

In the Castle, there is only 1 win condition. I have to correctly identify the scum, if I fail, town loses that minigame.

In the Gate, then I think they will make me the IC (especially after the posts I have made ) So the win condition is the same as the castle, but now I would become an important voice for the other minigames as well. Not sure I want that responsibility.

Spoiler:

No, I did not remember who had put themselves into the keep, so that wasn't part of my reasoning

Hm hm hm.

I think that I'd be fine with you being in the Keep, honestly it might be best for us if you are IMO? Like, the worst case is that you are scum and I don't think you could keep up with the other two town players, or if you are town but not towny enough you don't seem like... prideful enough to where you have to be the one voted, etc etc. I'm down with that (but you should probably hold off a tiny bit to see if other people agree with this and not follow in my footsteps of insta-voting).

[Infinity 324]

It's a much better leverage to go into a XYLO with no clear with one person you slightly trust over two people you don't trust at all. You can use that to see how the individual feels about you townreading them or vice-versa.

Yeah but in the other minigames there's a much more direct mechanical incentive to be obvtown

[Anastasia]

I'm not sure yet, could you get back to me on the other stance I provided re: Absin/Me being scum together?

I have more suspicion of your slot than her slot.

Maybe it's because you've done more things in general and I'm tunneled.

I struggle with that sometimes.