Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Something_Smart]

I've already committed to voting for whichever of Briar/Absinthe remain in the group.

I have no reason to change on this.

What if you change your mind?

[unwnd]

If ana is scum she has already decided how she's going to treat you two.

If she's town, she's letting one of you get a free point and dies for no reason.

I'm not really a fan of either scenario.

[Anastasia]

I've already committed to voting for whichever of Briar/Absinthe remain in the group.

I have no reason to change on this.

What if you change your mind?

I will not

[Something_Smart]

I will not

Seems like you aren't playing to win then?

[Briar]

It's just my gut when it comes to the situation. We could be playing a game where something like S_S/Infinity/Dunn could simply be overwhelmed by townies but I don't see the evidence in that world. I think the most likely answer is that scum is fully committed in you 3. Do you disagree?

Mmm. Maybe?

I honestly think that if there's scum in the more ~active~ people it's catboi, who made at least some posts early and attempted to have a presence. Though how it panned out is... meh, IMO.

Or S_S trying now, but I'm still working out where he's going with what he's talking about right now. It doesn't make sense to discredit Ana of all the people though, given what she's done, so it's a big ol' shrug.

[Anastasia]

like this entire line of thought SS has is nonsense.

He's literally casting doubt on my motivations when it is provable that I will be voting for Briar/Absinthe.

[Anastasia]

I will not

Seems like you aren't playing to win then?

You're supposed to be pretending I'm scum in case you forgot.

[Briar]

Ugh, I don't want to think about the swap. >_> I've been handwaving it as an Event to deal with later and I don't wanna think about the consequences /now./

I mean yes, and in a sense you're right that we shouldn't be talking about it much because we don't want to give scum ideas. But... it is an important part of the setup, so you can't just ignore it.

I know I can't, but I just don't know how to realistically approach it especially when I like... don't know how else to play this without talking about reads? IDK.

[Anastasia]

Like if in the future I change my mind and I refuse to vote for Absinthe/Briar.

Then it makes sense for SS to be like this is a gambit by Ana.

But until that actually happens - he has no ground to say I am scum-gambitting.

[Something_Smart]

He's literally casting doubt on my motivations when it is provable that I will be voting for Briar/Absinthe.

It's not provable

now

If you get swapped out, which is likely if you/briar/absinthe are all town and also if you are scum, it will never be provable.

[unwnd]

It's just my gut when it comes to the situation. We could be playing a game where something like S_S/Infinity/Dunn could simply be overwhelmed by townies but I don't see the evidence in that world. I think the most likely answer is that scum is fully committed in you 3. Do you disagree?

Mmm. Maybe?

I honestly think that if there's scum in the more ~active~ people it's catboi, who made at least some posts early and attempted to have a presence. Though how it panned out is... meh, IMO.

Or S_S trying now, but I'm still working out where he's going with what he's talking about right now. It doesn't make sense to discredit Ana of all the people though, given what she's done, so it's a big ol' shrug.

You think catboi is scum? Is this a read you were holding onto?

[Briar]

Ohhh. Huh.

[Briar]

Fuck I hate this swapping mechanic.

[Anastasia]

He's literally casting doubt on my motivations when it is provable that I will be voting for Briar/Absinthe.

It's not provable

now

If you get swapped out, which is likely if you/briar/absinthe are all town and also if you are scum, it will never be provable.

If I get swapped out of Keep and Briar/Absinthe get voted through, that's still one point for town and I am happy with that.

[Briar]

It's just my gut when it comes to the situation. We could be playing a game where something like S_S/Infinity/Dunn could simply be overwhelmed by townies but I don't see the evidence in that world. I think the most likely answer is that scum is fully committed in you 3. Do you disagree?

Mmm. Maybe?

I honestly think that if there's scum in the more ~active~ people it's catboi, who made at least some posts early and attempted to have a presence. Though how it panned out is... meh, IMO.

Or S_S trying now, but I'm still working out where he's going with what he's talking about right now. It doesn't make sense to discredit Ana of all the people though, given what she's done, so it's a big ol' shrug.

You think catboi is scum? Is this a read you were holding onto?

No? He's in the lower half of my reads, I wasn't a fan of how he approached me early on with his questioning because it seemed at odds with the tools he had to like, deal with me, I guess?

[Something_Smart]

But until that actually happens - he has no ground to say I am scum-gambitting.

And I'm not. I'm just saying it's possible.

To be clear-- I was not aware that you'd committed to definitely voting whoever of Briar/absinthe remains at the Keep. If you clearly stated it somewhere, it was too far back and I didn't recall it? My +scum comment was about you jumping on the Keep, only.

I don't think a gambit is incredibly likely, but I also think that you're playing badly if town by committing yourself to not changing those reads.

[Something_Smart]

I was not aware that you'd committed to definitely voting whoever of Briar/absinthe remains at the Keep

(when I made the +scum comment. obviously I was in the ensuing discussion)

[Briar]

S_S, question: Are you saying the gambit is that Ana says all this and gets swapped out, rather than the gambit being her presence and theoretical vote when we're actually voting?

[Something_Smart]

Are you saying the gambit is that Ana says all this and gets swapped out, rather than the gambit being her presence and theoretical vote when we're actually voting?

The latter, or she says all this and then acts hesitant when D2 actually comes. There would be no point in voting as a gambit, since at the Keep anyone who gets voted will just self-hammer. (or not self-hammer and enjoy their conftown status)

[Briar]

Why Am I Still Awake.

[Anastasia]

And I'm not. I'm just saying it's possible.

To be clear-- I was not aware that you'd committed to definitely voting whoever of Briar/absinthe remains at the Keep. If you clearly stated it somewhere, it was too far back and I didn't recall it? My +scum comment was about you jumping on the Keep, only.

I don't think a gambit is incredibly likely, but I also think that you're playing badly if town by committing yourself to not changing those reads.

only if my reads are wrong

[Something_Smart]

*The former

I can't english

[Briar]

Are you saying the gambit is that Ana says all this and gets swapped out, rather than the gambit being her presence and theoretical vote when we're actually voting?

The latter, or she says all this and then acts hesitant when D2 actually comes. There would be no point in voting as a gambit, since at the Keep anyone who gets voted will just self-hammer. (or not self-hammer and enjoy their conftown status)

I guess my issue with it being the latter is that... isn't it just a scumclaim if she's hesitant? I don't understand the like... worry regarding Ana since we can hold her to her word knowing how many times she's said it.

[Something_Smart]

only if my reads are wrong

I think it's pretty silly to have a value judgement on play that is only determined after the game is over. We want to know now what's good and what isn't; so I think that it is bad play to commit yourself to a read like that, even if the read turns out to be right in the end.

[unwnd]

It's just my gut when it comes to the situation. We could be playing a game where something like S_S/Infinity/Dunn could simply be overwhelmed by townies but I don't see the evidence in that world. I think the most likely answer is that scum is fully committed in you 3. Do you disagree?

Mmm. Maybe?

I honestly think that if there's scum in the more ~active~ people it's catboi, who made at least some posts early and attempted to have a presence. Though how it panned out is... meh, IMO.

Or S_S trying now, but I'm still working out where he's going with what he's talking about right now. It doesn't make sense to discredit Ana of all the people though, given what she's done, so it's a big ol' shrug.

You think catboi is scum? Is this a read you were holding onto?

No? He's in the lower half of my reads, I wasn't a fan of how he approached me early on with his questioning because it seemed at odds with the tools he had to like, deal with me, I guess?

Your read is a bit parallel to mine, but again I'm awaiting input from him before discussing further