Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

[Thestatusquo]

VoteCount 1.28

NorwegianboyEE [5]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, anya, save the dragons

shiro [4]

farkran, andante, norwegianboyee , sircakez

Andante [3]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [3]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan

Save the Dragons [1]

flow trap

raya36 [1]

chara

anya [1]

firebringer

Not Voting [ 3 ]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

This votecount has been edited to fix a mod error.

[Toadette]

I wonder what the criterion to get your name capitalized is

[Save The Dragons]

i'm just happy i made the vote count this time

[Chara]

Toadette uses the correct singular for criterion...

[Kazyan]

Crap, we need to consolidate and I'm on a low wagon, don't we. Uh.

I don't like NBEE but I'm still waiting for that case on Shiro tbh

[Toadette]

Toadette uses the correct singular for criterion...

I was hoping to impress you <3

[xofelf]

xofelf do you typically not vote?

Yeah actually. I do a lot of only voting when I feel sure on a person not being a net positive for town. If you're the sort of person who does meta, you can check my last few games. Though if you're looking to see if it's a scumtell of mine, unfortunately you'll have to go very very far back to find a game that I rolled scum and I wasn't in a hydra.

(Quite a few pages behind, that'll teach me not to sleep all day)

[Farkran]

@STD do you have any experience with norwee?

[Save The Dragons]

i do not

[Save The Dragons]

xofelf do you typically not vote?

Yeah actually. I do a lot of only voting when I feel sure on a person not being a net positive for town. If you're the sort of person who does meta, you can check my last few games. Though if you're looking to see if it's a scumtell of mine, unfortunately you'll have to go very very far back to find a game that I rolled scum and I wasn't in a hydra.

(Quite a few pages behind, that'll teach me not to sleep all day)

i town read you i just am mostly curious where your head is at and i'm generally a fan of always voting

[xofelf]

That's honestly fair. I think I'm just gunshy, and really only want to vote people I really want to yeet outside of RVS. My thoughts are a bit disorganized I suppose. There's nobody jumping out at me as super bad and needs to be dropped into the neared firepit. But there are a lot of people who are hella null and I forget they're here at all. Which, my survivor senses always ping as watch that guy cuz that guy is the most dangerous.

I'm gonna try something a little different though, and just do iso's on the main wagons rn. We'll see if there's anything I find.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: If you were here...

VOTE: Ivyeo

Yeah, Norwee's vote isn't that bad looking at it

I don't like it but not as in scummy

OK so what about Ivyeo is worse? And what don't you like about it?

I'm just more surprised at how quiet it's been since last night though.

Hey at least you've been caught up. I'm pretty sure the 30 pages I'm about to read through are fluff so I'm just going to fluff this, ngl.

Spoiler: I'd whisper sweet nothings in your ear...

Read ivyeo iso too, not really a fan of that - not a strong read but it feels like they're attaching to other people's content rather than producing independent thoughts?

Reads also feel non-commital? I'd like to hear more, possibly some ewrly readlist

I'll prolly take a look myself if I ever get caught up again.

I agree with 197 from Chara but Chara is good scum so no town points for Chara unfortunately.

i really don't like hearing this sort of thing from people i haven't played with. i know it's only one comment but try to actually read me before saying you can't because i can play scum.

pedit: hahaha. okay, so what do you actually think of Ivy's play currently?

I quite like Chara's posting so far.

good morning thread.

Fark let's talk as motivation for me to leave my warm bed.

Don't count on that, i barely find motivation to leave mine

This is a mood :3

Spoiler: And appeal to all your fears

#1153[/url] and #1160]Noctural Poetry,
Dressed in the whitest silver you'd smile at me,
Every night I wait for my sweet Selene.

But still...

Solitudes upon my skin,
A life that's bound by the chains of reality.
Would you let me be your Endymion?

Hey I reached my first set of catchups

It's not a list of reads, though. It's a list of who was pro-fluff and who was anti-fluff. I don't have 24 distinct reads; a lot of people blend together.

I really want to know why you made that list though, and what you were hoping to gain from it?

I was trying to generate content. See what I was told in 477 and then in 503; I realized that I could make An Content to get us out of the fluff. But now everyone hates it because it's "IIoA", but what was there to analyze? The furry RP? I don't hate myself enough to pore through that.

This seems an odd way to do it. Did you gain anything from it?

Also, notice how quiet things are from former hyperposters (I'm particularly side-eyeing unwnd) now that I'm the center of attention.

I dislike this self-awareness and paranoia, I'm not seeing you as CoA at all.

Spoiler: If you were mine (If you were only mine)

So yeah to the people who hate reading

Andante wagon bad because it is cultivated by potential Beeboy partners; Andante is limbait at worst
Beeboy partners mad that Beeboy not post
Beeboy continue to not post, we should vote him

Posts like this are massively appriciated, just sayin.

I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

You is a suspicious Flareon.

Well your initial posting is the exact thing I was trying to describe in my fuckhuge wall. You spent a lot of time observing the landscape and going golly gee familiar people I am so glad to be here with you all! This is fine and I'm not basing my scumread on you for being excited to play with people. I was excited to play with chara/Isis myself. However, your content is exclusively made around people you're familiar with. And a lot of doesn't really serve any purpose but to kiss ass. Why are you not considerate that possibly your friends could be scum here or that you could use that familiarity to get more out of them. You instead just focus on the fact you're friends and nothing else. Then comes your reasons which is are all very matter-of-fact but don't feel deserved. I don't anticipate you as someone who gets super detailed, but not to the point where you're at right now.

And you're town.

Spoiler: I'd bring you so much futher down

I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

I'm just gonna state this now.

If beeboy gets replaced for inactivity or request I'm gonna be pushing to policy elim the slot so I don't want his teammates to get their hopes up that they can be saved by the bell or some shit

Happy to second this, I trust pooks enough to blind follow here and there's some concensus on the trust level tell.

how is it opportunistic when you had one vote on you

Unwd posted that paragraph about me because i was relatively inactive earlier today and then you voted me, it felt really opportunistic to me. Especially since you seemed to be questioning a vote on me from Shiro earlier on?

you should reread my post then, i'm questioning why shiro thought the andante wagon was bad?

Well your vote on me is still lame and it feels like you're just following the consensus.

Nothing on my vote then?

Like i post some RVS jokes to friends and that's why you scumread me?

No? If anything you trying to say your content was mostly RVS is funny

Now you're trying to laugh it off like i'm wrong? My content was RVS and you'd have to be quite dense to not see that.

over 1200 posts in, and we're still talking about RVS? My vote's stayin here.

Spoiler: And twist your mind

Like i try to stay chill and not get toxic here, but when i get told my RVS posts and jokes is scum indicative i'm going to lose my cool.

Translation: "I got caught now I'm going to threaten to tantrum."
Am I Wrong?

It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.

I don't read #655 as RVS/light hearted. I don't read any of them as RVS but do read them as fluff.

It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.

Also this is 100% town!norwee

I'm not familiar enough with NBEE to know if this is town or scum for them but i agree with Dwlee, there's some serious "caught for the wrong reason" vibe here. NBEE fails the vibe check.

Spoiler: Until the end of time.

I get Ant vibes from Nero Cain's posting

He needs to assemble the troops to move pile of dirt ten inches

Oh my god Unwd. What a worthless content post. These posts don't lie Unwd!!
Caught as scum.

Especially when this is the rebuttal. Like I get why he's gone for this, but it's literally throwing a tantrum vibe.

Memory issues

flow i love that you do this, i do the same thing.

May I introduce you both to Joplin?
Ever wonder my my posts have Markdown in them? that's why.
Plus it's useful for my Tabletop games, code stuff, and anything else I may need. Uses your own cloud services for backup/sync as well.

It means you are allowed to joke around.

"No fun allowed" - half this table

Ikr, I'm surprised people haven't come for my catchup song lyric posts yet.

Spoiler: You will never realise

I’m about to take my last final but I feel much more confident in this.

VOTE: Andante

I hope it went well <3

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

You eliminate scum. Right now if Beeboy gets flipped you're next in my spotlight for the defence, as will be anyone else resisting it for now, honestly.

If they flip green, well you get off the hook for a bit.

I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

OK so you're not even reading. Bonus.

Yes and that is exactly why we kill him for it so he can stop doing it

If you join a game just to do this... like, what's the fun of even joining then??

Its like those people who join Among Us games and leave when they roll whichever role they didn't want.

Spoiler: The Darkness that lies inside

ATTENTION DUELISTS!

MY HAIR HAS DECIDED THAT WE ELIMINATE BEEBOY!

and we trust our fate to the heart of the cards.

I feel this is a reference to something...

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.

I mean if i was scum and i had someone like Beeboy as scum partner i would just buss him and say everyone who didn't vote him is scum.

This is strange. NBEE suggests that 1) flipping Beeboy would give no information, 2) that we wait for to see if we have a vigilante, and 3) that well, maybe the scum are just trying to bus Beeboy. What I'm seeing is that NBEE has no consistent townread rationale for disagreeing with the Beeboy wagon, and is simply trying very hard to save Beeboy.

If Beeboy flips scum, we should seriously consider whether NBEE was trying to save a scumbuddy here.

This is pants. You can't really account for someones self-meta in this kinda situation. THe second post is weird, I'll give you that.

Spoiler: Inside my mind

i'd like to discuss both these points when she returns to the thread though. the problem may also be that Raya's stuck playing catchup whenever she has time to post.

I feel the "playing catchup" part. ye gods...

A 2019 join date berating someone for wanting to lurker yeet which is a standard thing here amuses me.

VOTE: kaz I think I SR this more strongly than Andante now

Assuming you're still catching up, can you let me know why this is once you're done? I asked in-thread earlier and I didn't get a response.

... bit slippy around here ain't it? You two sharin a thread?

In fact, if Beeboy is scum Pooky could be scum. Because it'd be a lot of cred for eliminating an non-participating teammate that would prob die anyway.

So this is twice you've tried pushing this angle on Pooky. I don't feel it's genuine.

@55

[Flea The Magician]

how am I still 20 pages behind? -.-;

[Farkran]

i do not

Ok, thanks

I townlean you, maybe even a bit higher than a townlean, and wanted to understand your position on the norwee wagon.

I know where you come from since i've been scumreading norwee as town in the past, but i am confident he's town here. I want to learn all the standings on people on wagon if he happens to be flipped - although i suggest that he isn't.

[Farkran]

Loved how flea answered me without even asking! Maximum efficiency <3

Also i have grown enough confidence to call flea town too

[Anya]

what's between a townlean and a townread? i tried coming up with some options

townglance
townpush
townrest
townsit

[Farkran]

what's between a townlean and a townread? i tried coming up with some options

townglance
townpush
townrest
townsit

Townstand
Townpiece
Townround
Townwish

[Anya]

i townwish farkran

[Kazyan]

I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

OK so you're not even reading. Bonus.

NBEE also did this when suggesting that scum could be bussing Beeboy after Pooky specifically addressed that argument earlier.

I kinda can't blame NBEE for not wanting to read 75 pages of text tho

[Anya]

the new oil mining squadrant is norwegian raya murdercat beeboy kdowns

[unwnd]

I like my own thing where [Flex] covers players that I would put above null but not enough to make them [Core] which is my townreads

[Nero Cain]

I hard claim general

[Anya]

and as a bonus they can play both dps and tank

[Raya36]

So uh, maybe Beeboy is scum?
I’m guessing they don’t join and just flake as town?

Does anyone know for sure that this is scum!beeboy meta? (general question, not just you norway)

raya keeps asking useful sounding questions but it's actually to distract us while she chops the treehouse down

don't let her

I would like to point out my neighbors have a treehouse and it's still standing. I support treehouses

I kinda have this belief that scum (especially newb scum) will like not react to certain posts b/c what happens is once they react and there's a back and forth it becomes bigger and shines a spotlight on them. I've asked her twice why she hasn't reacted to my initial case and she didn't even respond to that. She seems scared and I think newb scum might be scared of me.

Right. And from your case I do agree that the post about getting recruited was kind of awkward. Is Andante a newb? I was under the impression she has played a bunch elsewhere but I may be misremembering.

and I thought I had already called this out but I can't find my own post but

Anya town, Cake town, Pooky town, flow might be scum. those are my strongest reads

oh and firebringer town, xolfelf town

AND UNWND IS TOWN!!! sorry, so many names here!!

I didn't really like how she has mostly town reads b/c its

INCREDIBLY

easy for scum to call players town b/c scum already knows who is town/not on thier team. It also kinda buddys them up and incriminates them a lil when scum flips. It seemed odd to me that it was lacking kdowns as thats whom she was pushing or at least voting. Did she ever mention flow at any point before this?

Having a lot of townreads isn't good but idk if I fully agree with your reasoning since there's a good chance this game is multiball, therefore scum can scumhunt too.

I think I can get a better grasp on Raya if she actually finishes catching up and starts interacting in real time w peeps.
I think her TR on Toadette is weird. The reasoning is not very strong.

I should be much more active on weekends. It's hard when I get off work and then spend the whole evening catching up. To explain the toadette read which is better described as an early townlead: I thought her entrance was good considering gamestate and how easily a lower effort entrance could have been passed. I don't think much she has done since then has been particularly towny but I still think she deserves some credit from me for that early townread. It was never meant to be a strong read. I was just curious why some people were getting the opposite first impression as me and maybe hyped her up as a higher townread than I meant to.

I've seen Andante hyperpost like this as town, does she do this as scum or does she freeze? There's kind of a sound barrier break element where I don't want to lim someone just on being able to make a high number of posts that have some kind of topic and don't feel forced. It's just so much hard to do as scum then town and if it actually is scum putting on the ritz it often flames out in this really apparent way later on anyway

I like can't imagine this kind of slot being the best D1 elim in a 24p really

I agree with this stance. To my understanding Andante is mainly being scumread for the hyper posting and fluff which is something I know she does as town (although I'll admit I also don't know for her scum). I do think as Toadette said that as the game progresses and opportunity for tons of fluff lowers we'll get a better idea of her alignment.

The sample data for beeboys meta is the same

Do you want me to go through and check every game for the past year? I checked I think the first 4 or 5 and found him scum in all but one, and he replaced out D1 of the town game. But when he replaced in as scum he posted a decent amount (only alive one day) and shitposted in another one. I don't think the distribution you're claiming is correct.

If this is true then it makes more sense to let beeboy get replaced? It's sounding like it's not actually AI

@Toadette

Shitposty:
viewtopic.php?t=84956&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Replaces in + tries:
viewtopic.php?t=84135&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Yeah so maybe this isn't the best elim

@Toadette

Shitposty:
viewtopic.php?t=84956&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Replaces in + tries:
viewtopic.php?t=84135&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

we have very different definitions of "trying" since I used those examples as times where I played with scum!beeboy and he didn't try at all lol

He didn't fully disappear though

raya came in to ask more undercover questions and then probably saw my excellent read on her and went prone again

the murdercat's also lurking around suspiciously

Raya saw she had 10 minutes left to get ready for work and was still in bed reading the game and panicked

Are there any other posts of Kaz's that stood out to you as towny? I do agree with the one you mentioned but I'm not seeing it the same way you are in their other posts

i picked that post as an example of what i liked about Kaz, i don't really vibe with the approach of looking at certain posts in isolation and figuring out what makes them towny or scummy.

so i'm not sure i can explain the read more than i have, but i am wondering what you liked about that post specifically. is it just that there was agreement about how you felt about the Andante wagon?

We agree generally on Andante which might have been part of it but I think I moreso liked the different take on it. I hadn't thought about it like that.

Correct, the people voting me legit think I'm scum, for bad reasons :/

but you don't seem to be defending yourself against this "bad reasoning" you are just content to sit back in and let others say that you aren't scum b/c you are lynchbait....and that's a fallacy. It's like you are scared to get down in the trenches and get your hands dirty.

I have to agree with this. As much as I think Andante is elim-bait rn I wish she would defend herself a bit against the cases made.

In my past experience, people who have annoyed me like this have been scum, so I think at least 1 of nero/kdowns are scum

Um is this serious?

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: If you are down

Although it's all apparently based on foolproof meta anyway?

This is awful.
Trust-tell level meta is not foolproof, but is pretty damn usable.

beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara

I will be watching these people closely

Just remember when you stare into the void that is my soul, it may stare back.
#EdgeGod

Spoiler: I will come to chain you to the ground

Flea: I'm not gonna quote shit but fae's playing like fae always does. I usually have problems reading faem. honestly I hope the slot self-resolves somehow because Flea is just unreadable.

I am readable, you just have to learn what to filter out

Spoiler: And penetrate your mind

Song is My Minds Eye by Sirenia btw.

And that's all I got in me, the balloon inflating in my mind is getting hard to ignore so I'm @P58 for now.