Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

Though I do think unwnd is more likely to slip that way as scum than Dunn?

unwnd how hands-on are you usually in decisions as scum

I'm not sure what you're asking me?

The keep was filled when I locked in at the wall

[unwnd]

So it was gate that was the only one not filled? I'd have to look

[absinthe]

Spoiler: Luke

Do you remember how frazzled, out of sorts, contradictory and volatile my stances were during the last 48 hours of the Newbie Day 2?

[unwnd]

Yeah Dunn I just looked and you had to pick wall? Absin chose before you

[Dunnstral]

I find when Dunn is town the ends justify the means. When he's scum, he spends a lot of time in this mode of fake thinking. There's a more general vagueness and I feel like he's less battered because he doesn't want to risk the attention. This plays in part of him idling at times. Dunn isn't a hyperposter and keeps to himself, and I don't think he's the scum to make big moves. He waits for people to make mistakes and then capitalizes on them.

Okay so... does that explain 755? Did you know it wasn't really bravado?

It seemed pretty fake honestly yeah

Was I right or not?

Are you saying that you're not partnered with Infinity because of that post?

Not exactly

I'm saying I'm not scum because scum sat back and waited for absinthe to finally jump into the keep, whereas if I were scum either I or my team (but probably me) would have simply went into the keep before that rather than all get poe'd down at the end.

In my mind, if I'm scum, the keep is already lost if 3 town are in it, and we would have to toss 1 person in anyway. Having 1 person scum claim to join it and mess with the other 2 groups is worth it.

The current group of scum did not agree, and that became apparent when multiple people latched onto me by saying I was shading briar/ana instead of actually engaging with my points

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you voted Wall before S_S voted Gate right?

Official Vote Count 1.05

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Preparation

Gate

(1): catboi

Wall

(1): unwnd

Keep

(2): Briar, Anastasia

Unassigned

(5): Dunnstral, Infinity 324, absinthe, Lukewarm, Something_Smart

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-18 18:31:49).

Mod notes:

Only votes for the Gate, Wall, or Keep will be counted.

Official Vote Count 1.06

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Preparation

Gate

(2): catboi, Something_Smart

Wall

(3): unwnd, Lukewarm, Dunnstral

<-- FULL

Keep

(3): Briar, Anastasia, absinthe

<-- FULL

Unassigned

(1): Infinity 324

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-18 18:31:49).

Mod notes:

Day ends when all but one player have voted.

With your theory in mind dunn Re: scum waited for absin to jump to keep that makes Infinity left out scum, one of catboi/S_S, and then Me/You/Luke having the last?

Wall or Gate

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make right now

[unwnd]

Point is your vote didn't matter. You could've technically gone Gate there, but like I've said multiple fucking times

You were afraid of making sudden movements

Stop being dense

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand what you're trying to argue, I don't think you really do either

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler: Luke

Do you remember how frazzled, out of sorts, contradictory and volatile my stances were during the last 48 hours of the Newbie Day 2?

Spoiler: Absinthe

Yeah. Do you remember how overwhelmed I was by the end of the last day of the Newbie game? Thats kinda where I am again. Like, I get caught up on the thread, but before I can really process, there are 2 more pages of posts. Rinse and repeat.

and it doesn't help that I think I am in too many games atm. I decided to try playing 2 games at once, but then another newbie asked me specifically to join a game with them because they were afraid of leaving the newbie queue for the first time without someone they had played with before, and I didnot want to be the reason they disappeared from the site, so now I am in 3 games and they all keep moving, and I'm just like aaaaaaaaaa

[unwnd]

Gate (2): catboi, Something_Smart
Wall (3): unwnd, Lukewarm, Dunnstral <-- FULL
Keep (3): Briar, Anastasia, absinthe <-- FULL

Catboi/S_S is confirmed to have one. Scum is allowed to put two of themselves into a minigame, but the onus is on them if so. They can't start D2 with two scum in a minigame. So from my point of view, your vote did not fucking matter. And let me make something clear: I don't want to argue with this perspective. It's laced with WIFOM bullshit and what I've been trying to undo you will happily sit here and act all dignfied about your behavior

There's no reason for you to reconsider your choice and continually argue the point, and you keep avoiding me when it comes to every other fucking aspect and you're start to tilt me indescribably

[unwnd]

If you're town here and I'm obsessively tunneled give me an olive branch instead of just trying to watch me unravel

Because I genuinely feel that way right now

[Dunnstral]

I think you're misunderstanding something, because the one arguing this is you

[unwnd]

...No??????

[unwnd]

My reason to scumread you is exclusively based on your behavior, it's all in the wall

[unwnd]

The only reason I keep bringing this up because you refuse to contest me in anything but

So I've been sitting here going 'ok Dunn, your vote didn't matter and at best you didn't wanna make sudden movements'

That's all

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand why you brought up the gate/keep/wall thing

Also, from your point of view, if you think I'm scum it should matter

Thing is, I'm not scum, and my vote likely did not matter there, true

[unwnd]

Thing is, I'm not scum, and my vote likely did not matter there, true

That's what I've been arguing this whole time Dunn

So why did you keep bringing it up as if cleared you...

[catboi]

SS is majorly failing the vibe check right now - the emotional tenor of his posts is completely off. It's what Gamma Emerald got caught on in Binding of Isaac - something unusual happens but he doesn't know how to react like he would as town and his posts come out sounding flat.

Why would he be taken by surprise by Briar's self-hammer?

The flip wasn't what people were expecting but he's not reacting to it like it was a surprise.

If I weren't confirmed town, I would have been pretty matter-of-fact about the flip: "welp." and moved on to recalibrating.

Wellnot everyone reacts the same way to things but I still think the way he started the phase was clearly

off

although of course I'm biased

...for that very reason, Lmao. Are you kidding me?

I don't understand this, I did something that I knew would be useless, because it would be useless?

You made an argument about how you would have swapped someone who is going to flip scum because

of course

you would - you're not going to betray knowledge she's flipping mafia so you act uninformed and point back to it when she flips - it's a very basic play. Are you seriously trying to argue that kind of move is beneath your capability?

[Dunnstral]

Thing is, I'm not scum, and my vote likely did not matter there, true

That's what I've been arguing this whole time Dunn

So why did you keep bringing it up as if cleared you...

I didn't

I brought up that your solve was weird if you're assuming infinity/s_s/me are all scum who hadn't picked at the end, and you didn't really engage with that

[Dunnstral]

absinthe, do you understand how post 1124 led to me posting 1150?

[absinthe]

Spoiler: Luke

Do you remember how frazzled, out of sorts, contradictory and volatile my stances were during the last 48 hours of the Newbie Day 2?

Spoiler: Absinthe

Yeah. Do you remember how overwhelmed I was by the end of the last day of the Newbie game? Thats kinda where I am again. Like, I get caught up on the thread, but before I can really process, there are 2 more pages of posts. Rinse and repeat.

and it doesn't help that I think I am in too many games atm. I decided to try playing 2 games at once, but then another newbie asked me specifically to join a game with them because they were afraid of leaving the newbie queue for the first time without someone they had played with before, and I didnot want to be the reason they disappeared from the site, so now I am in 3 games and they all keep moving, and I'm just like aaaaaaaaaa

Spoiler: Luke

This game moves in fits and starts. Hopefully you're not feeling like you need to address every single thing this time.

I used to play a lot of games simultaneously. it can be done. and night phases are a nice break! (don't sign up for another game just because things go slack for a couple of days, though!)

I wanted to point up this: I'm kinda getting a similar vibe from unwnd to how I felt like my posts were coming off in that newbie game.

[Dunnstral]

absinthe, do you understand how post 1124 led to me posting 1150?

And for the record:

S_S didn't have a choice, it was either Ana or Absinthe with him, and that wasn't a very good argument in hindsight

That said, I do think absinthe being sent out was in its own merits a strategical merit for briar and the keep

[Something_Smart]

You made an argument about how you would have swapped someone who is going to flip scum because of course you would - you're not going to betray knowledge she's flipping mafia so you act uninformed and point back to it when she flips - it's a very basic play. Are you seriously trying to argue that kind of move is beneath your capability?

Yeah probably? I mean I would have been really leery to play into the "Briar is obvtown" narrative as scum, since I don't think I would necessarily be confident in navigating that in a way that looks genuine. So I think I probably would have avoided talking about her, or at least it would have been more hesitant.

[absinthe]

absinthe, do you understand how post 1124 led to me posting 1150?

You're positing that a tendency toward following others' reads is why I wound up the IC?

I'm curious what leads you to think I'm that much of a follower as a general rule?

[Dunnstral]

No, I'm trying to explain that 1150 wasn't "TMI"

[Dunnstral]

I believe you ended up as the IC so briar could win the keep, and it's null for cat/ss