DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED
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innocentvillager HeSurvivorHe
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joqiza Goon
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Not at all what I said, I said his posts were fine, aka they didn't strike me one way or another. 3190 is actually quite helpful. Like I think I agree with your take on him after reading the posts you put together and your interpretation.In post 3188, Titus wrote:So you're saying his posts are town, it's fine but waste your time anyway?
Ok I will.
I'm sitting here wondering why you think I'm wasting your time by asking you to explain stuff like that. Mognet was annoying because he asked people to explain reads that he himselfdidn't even disagree with.Like he'd townread a player and then in the next post ask someone to explain why they weren't chainsawing for that very same player. It was exhausting.
That's not at all what I was doing. I was asking for elaboration on a read that I didn't have myself. Partially this is an investigative thing, cuz I'm wondering if the reason you're seeing the game differently is because you're working with a different level of information than I am. But it's not just that. Mafia is a collaborative process and I was also just wondering if there's something out there I'd missed.
I understand it can be frustrating to explain something you feel to be obvious but it's a part of the game.-
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You see, that's not how I took it when you said his posts were fine. I start from the position that if there's nothing wrong with a player's posts, they're town because a majority of us are town. Thus when you say someone's posts are fine, to me you're saying they're town.
Thus from my point of view, you were asking me to explain a read you agreed with, which was exactly what Mognet was doing. Mognet was doing it to find something to attack for his ego.
I thought you were doing the same thing which is just exasperating to deal with.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Can you comment on my entity thoughts, j?In post 3201, innocentvillager wrote:Robert is definitely counterintelligence ftr if there is no cc, prism’s list had it above covert opsShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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joqiza Goon
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Hm, okay. Yeah for me I think about it in terms of the prior probability, which is like, 75% or so that any given players you look at flips town. So at the start of the game everyone is "null" but in a sense that means they're still more likely to flip town than scum just by #'s, as you said.
Then when I say someone is towny or scummy, what I mean is they've done what I consider to be a towntell (behavior which town does at a greater % than scum) or a scumtell (vice versa), respectively.
So null, or "fine" for me is in a sense, still towny in terms of the prior. I'm more thinking about the posterior probability after tells are considered, and whether it's higher or lower than the prior from rand.-
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Ignore the quote. I was going to ask how he knew what Prism's list was but forgot it's the same slot.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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joqiza Goon
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Like at the beginning of any given game I play I could say "it's obvious that players A and B are not a scumteam together" and be right 99% of the time just because the chances of picking out an SvS pair are so low. But it doesn't really mean as much you know? Like you could just getting lucky.
I don't want to derail the convo into game theory, I'm just a stats guy so I find it interesting.-
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I'm not a stats girl. I'm a social psychologist when it comes to mafia. I look at motivations and thus motivation is how you sort me.
(By motivation, I mean what a player does and wants, not their passion level or rationale.)ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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joqiza Goon
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@Titus
This series of posts struck me as pretty towny from the Entity slot--these are the ones I was referring to earlier.
He appeals directly to LLD, in a personal manner, to express his read on Mognet. He then appeals to Mognet directly to try to get him to change his behavior.
I really doubt the two are aligned from 2218, and his investment in keeping Mognet alive reads town to me. I don't really buy the theory that Entity is scum trying to keep a toxic town slot alive... I feel like... he wouldn't appeal that way to LLD if that were the case, and I don't think scum would do it in the first place while VFP was being run up.
In post 2214, The Entity wrote:
Lexi there is no way this shit is scum, I'm sorry. If you just wanna YOLOyeet someone to get to nukes then fine but I do not believe Mognet is scum here.In post 2212, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Honestly I tried to hunt something I thought might be scummier but I can't deal with this shit in this game anymore.
I'm getting a seance from beyond the grave that pooky wants us to kill moogle fucker
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Full disclosure I'm fairly sure Equinox would support a yeet on Mognet so you can appeal to him I guess.
I'm tempted to join the Mognet yeet for the sake of gamestate but I don't think it'll flip scum and I'll be honest the idea of only yeeting scum is v appealing to me after the righteous mastina thing yesterdayIn post 2218, The Entity wrote:I genuinely wish I was still a mod so I could figure out who the fuck Mognet is and be done with it. But whatever.
@Mognet.
You are not helping the town, despite how much you think you are.
Maybe you're scum. On the off-chane you're town, please.
I get where you are. You think you are being the most rational and that your logic is unassailable and therefore you should keep fighting the good fight against all us plebs who aren't willing to accept your gospel.
Here's the thing.
DEFCON has a long history on this site. Your assertion that the majority of people don't want to lolnuke is actually probably very far from the truth. The entire appeal of this brand of games is that you get to lolnuke people. It doesn't matter scum or town. Go read some of these previous games. Not for meta, but for reading the Elmo-Dancing-On-A-Toilet shitshows they become. That's the fun. That's the draw.
Here's the thing.
You're sitting here crying about people picking off "not friends". I don't even know how to begin to break down this site's dynamics, but you're flat out wrong.
LLD got into a death tunnel on me the last DEFCON despite us being "friends".
You're also ENTIRELY basing your overreaction on ONE post from DeathNote against T3? Like what the fuck?
Here's the thing.
In a game like this, people will empty vote and not really give a fuck.
If people were empty voting you without reason, yeah, I'd expect it. But it seems like you're just picking a bone with the empty votes to win some intellectual superiority race that only YOU are running.
Do... do you think the people throwing down empty votes are all unaware that... they're throwing down empty votes?
Or do you think every person that has done it is scum?
Because... at some point, you have to accept that unless literally every person who has transgressed you is scum, that you're throwing some undue shit at townies somewhere, here.
Here's the thing.
You pulled this same kind of wah wah grandstanding bullshit yesterday when we were on the one-way train to scumtown with the mastina wagon.
You completely ignored my well-reasoned case for why mastina was actually scum yesterday and decided to grandstand about autism instead of focusing on the game.
Nobody owes you anything. There are a few of us that will continue to try to win this game regardless of your roadblocks. I happen to believe you're town, but given the gamestate, I would wager there's a surging tide of townspeople who do NOT think your actions are coming from a town mindset.
I'm begging you -- as the king of egomania in many ways, please fucking step back and try to participate rather than be an antagonistic presence in the game.-
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joqiza Goon
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I can respect/understand that!In post 3211, Titus wrote:I'm not a stats girl. I'm a social psychologist when it comes to mafia. I look at motivations and thus motivation is how you sort me.
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Logging in just to congratulate you at winning at a children’s card game.In post 3205, The Church of Skitter wrote:I got top 16 at my yugioh tournament
I am serious. Every time I’ve entered a card game tournament I get whooped.-
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I’m a stats guy.
I don’t believe my own eyes and downplay my own experiences. My assumption is that my perspective is flawed and while we are all incredibly sensitive instruments, we think good only relatively well compared to everything else, but reality navigation isn’t something we’re super good at.-
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omg I was so anxiousIn post 3214, Bell wrote:
Logging in just to congratulate you at winning at a children’s card game.In post 3205, The Church of Skitter wrote:I got top 16 at my yugioh tournament
I am serious. Every time I’ve entered a card game tournament I get whooped.Alisae + Menalque-
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I had a really good meta call which I was super happy with but the whole thing was anxious and stressful it was exciting tho I'm happy
it's my first top at these kind of events and this tournament had strong players so it's a really good result. I'm happy with it (even tho I did commit war crimes with my deck haha)Alisae + Menalque-
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Bell He/himSharp NoteHe/him
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But I think just bussing day 2 after a loss of a teammate on day 1. Should pretty explicitly rule me out. So you don’t really need to trust other people on that. It would just be really bad scum play for me to do that to a partner. There was enough voices of doubt that it wouldn’t make sense for me to try to push his elimination through when other options seemed perfectly reasonable.
Though, I suspect, Robert is scum too and the scum team is on the back foot.-
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joqiza Goon
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You should not trust me after a single correct guess. Especially when my reasoning was pretty shallow. I thought his focus was artificially narrow.
But yeah, if you don’t have a better nuke option or if you’d like to wait to for it. But the results of these flips is going to be a mixed bag of answers.
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