Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.09

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-01 17:15:00).

execution

Moongrass [2]:

ta vera, northsidegal

Iconeum [2]:

Andresvmb, Sigmund

VFP [1]:

UneveN

ta vera [1]:

VFP

Sigmund [1]:

Moongrass

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Iconeum

mod notes

~ iconeum v/la weekends
~ vfp vla from covid jab

flavour

Spoiler:

[Iconeum]

it was page 2

literally page 2

not a lot of posts made

she called out with a 'hi' in the post

what was so serious about it that it can't be RVS?

[Andresvmb]

yo andres wanna brawl a bit?

No I don’t. Last time I had you dead to rights as Scum and you got away because you made others think that because you were willing to engage in spirited fights that you couldn’t possibly be Scum. And then of course your clever fake Claim got you through the Endgame.

Claiming that all of your analysis is going to be surface level is Scummy - I know you can do a lot better than that.

[Moongrass]

Why did you vote me there Sigmund?

generate information

if i'm lucky maybe you die and flip red

What information would you expect to get at E-1 that you couldn't get at E-2? If I had been forced to claim that would narrow the pool for scum, so that move was at best anti-town.

[Andresvmb]

And again, that vote wasn’t RVS. Not entirely. It’s clear a disagreement is developing between two players at that stage - jumping in between them to stoke the fire a little bit isn’t the Townie thing to do in my view.

[Iconeum]

Claiming that all of your analysis is going to be surface level is Scummy - I know you can do a lot better than that.

i'll have you prove this

if you *know* i can do better

show me games where i *did* better

there won't be a bunch, so i bet you can't even find a single one lol

[Iconeum]

that statement isn't scummy
it's also not townie

it's a factual statement

nothing more or less, why you wanna fight me over that?

actually, your reluctance to talk to me is pingy

[Iconeum]

i strongly remember my fake claim pulling me through to endgame, sure

but my active fighting got me in more trouble then anything else so yeah

[Iconeum]

And again, that vote wasn’t RVS. Not entirely. It’s clear a disagreement is developing between two players at that stage - jumping in between them to stoke the fire a little bit isn’t the Townie thing to do in my view.

ok i fact checked this

it's not true

their vote was the first one on Sigmund, so not piling on or stoking or anything

[Moongrass]

Sigmund might just be town troll shitpushing, but VFP acting like they jokingly "agree" is sus.

In hindsight I find this post quite town indicative.

So town:
Uneven
Nsg
Ico
Ta vera

Unsure:
Andres
SS

Not town:
VFP
Sigmund

[Sigmund]

Sigmund's vote of Iconeum was oddly timed if the vote on me was intended to be a reaction test. I'd expect the vote on Iconeum immediately after Iconeum unvoted me, not when Iconeum calls out Sigmund indirectly by asking for my take on it.

So, if it's not a reaction test then it was intended for my elim. At the point Sigmund voted for me I don't believe he had foreseen Iconeum unvoting me mid 1v1.

Andre had put me in his scumpile so there was potential for a quick elim...opportunistic indeed.

VOTE: Sigmund

imagine thinking I even read what ICO does

[Sigmund]

Sigmund's vote of Iconeum was oddly timed if the vote on me was intended to be a reaction test. I'd expect the vote on Iconeum immediately after Iconeum unvoted me, not when Iconeum calls out Sigmund indirectly by asking for my take on it.

So, if it's not a reaction test then it was intended for my elim. At the point Sigmund voted for me I don't believe he had foreseen Iconeum unvoting me mid 1v1.

Andre had put me in his scumpile so there was potential for a quick elim...opportunistic indeed.

VOTE: Sigmund

why wouldnt i want a quick elim

[Sigmund]

i literally said I love killing people

[Sigmund]

Why did you vote me there Sigmund?

generate information

if i'm lucky maybe you die and flip red

What information would you expect to get at E-1 that you couldn't get at E-2? If I had been forced to claim that would narrow the pool for scum, so that move was at best anti-town.

lol at claiming e-1 and e-2 are the same thing

[Moongrass]

imagine thinking I even read what ICO does

If you're observant enough to notice when the gamestate is benefitting scum, then it's likely you're playing up this troll business to suit what you do and don't notice.

[Moongrass]

Why did you vote me there Sigmund?

generate information

if i'm lucky maybe you die and flip red

What information would you expect to get at E-1 that you couldn't get at E-2? If I had been forced to claim that would narrow the pool for scum, so that move was at best anti-town.

lol at claiming e-1 and e-2 are the same thing

I didn't? I'm saying the only difference is you're likely to muck things up at E-1. If I'm not under pressure at E-2 you're not going to get anything more from me at E-1.

[Moongrass]

i literally said I love killing people

There are better games to satisfy your sadistic tendencies.

[Andresvmb]

that statement isn't scummy
it's also not townie

it's a factual statement

nothing more or less, why you wanna fight me over that?

actually, your reluctance to talk to me is pingy

The reason it’s Scummy is because you’re in advance signaling that you’ll be behind Town executions and nobody can fault you for that. That’s why. If I came out and said forgive me but I’m a bad player so if I tunnel Town don’t read into it, you should be suspicious of my intentions. If you see me trying and I get stuff wrong that’s one thing. Openly saying I’m going to suck don’t read into it, I don’t get positive vibes out of that. It’s pretty simple.

[Andresvmb]

And again, that vote wasn’t RVS. Not entirely. It’s clear a disagreement is developing between two players at that stage - jumping in between them to stoke the fire a little bit isn’t the Townie thing to do in my view.

ok i fact checked this

it's not true

their vote was the first one on Sigmund, so not piling on or stoking or anything

Piling onto one side of a heated argument is stoking. I’m sorry you see it differently. I’m clearly not “lying”. That’s just a silly take. Being the first vote is not indicative of anything at all.

[Andresvmb]

Not in that circumstance at least.

[Sigmund]

i literally said I love killing people

There are better games to satisfy your sadistic tendencies.

woah there buddy

[Sigmund]

imagine thinking I even read what ICO does

If you're observant enough to notice when the gamestate is benefitting scum, then it's likely you're playing up this troll business to suit what you do and don't notice.

I notice everything.

I just don't care about everything

[northsidegal]

do you really believe that at this point in the game scum needs to be explicitly posting with some kind of "agenda" rather than just blending in via asking questions?

If you think this is what I am doing why not attempt to interact with me? It is strange that both you and ta vera (at an earlier point) have both been happy to simply say 'UneveN is at/near the bottom of my list!' while making no moves towards sorting me.

to be clear, that question was a rebuttal of moongrass' reason to townread you, not an indication that i scumread you because you're "blending in via just asking questions" or anything.

in response to your question, in general, i'm much more of a believer that the best way to determine if someone is scum is simply to observe them rather than asking a long series of questions or anything. of course, i do ask people questions, but what i'm trying to say is that the idea that because i haven't asked someone any questions that i'm not attempting to sort them is a little off-base.

This reminds me of someone...who did turn out to be scum...

Who?

I'm not going to say but they know who they are.

bullshit

now you got caught out and can't answer something you faked in the first place?

VOTE: moongrass

i'll agree with you that that series of posts by moongrass was a little weird, but in general i think that scum basically never just makes up something like that.

[ta vera]

Andres I think is trying to make a presence but failing miserably, unlikely that's AI, more from him would be appreciated.

I’m not trying to make a presence. If I’m being totally honest, I fell asleep reading this game because a lot of you sound like assholes haha and I didn’t feel like fighting anyone.

i'm not an asshole

[ta vera]

And UneveN feels like Town to me too. So that leaves Ico, VFP, and Moongrass. Which explains my vote.

that doesn't explain your vote. it only explains why you narrowed it down to those three. why did you pick ico?