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[Save The Dragons]

Happy 33rd, drgn. I got you this wagon

thank you! how did you know i like wagons?

[ItalianoVD]

As of right now:

Town leaning

VFP
Noraa
RLotus
Lukewarm
Save the Dragons

Null

Andres
Dunnstral
MaxTheFox
UC Voyager

Scum leaning or willing to vote for

ssbm_kyouko
Johnny Farrar
Gamma

I’m okay with Noraa and starting to feel okay with Andres, but you and Kyouko was why I wasn’t liking the wagon, but... I already stated that I probably shouldn’t be scumreading ssbm.

Also Lotus’ response to the wagon/pressure was similar to the game we played.

[samantha97]

Votecount

RLotus [4]:

Andresvmb, JohnnyFarrar, Noraa, ssbm_Kyouko

Dunnstral [2]:

RLotus, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko [1]:

Lukewarm

Gamma Emerald [1]:

VFP

Save The Dragons [1]:

Dunnstral

Not Voting: UC Voyager, MaxTheFox, Save The Dragons, ItalianoVD

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-05-28 14:03:00) or when majority is reached.

[ItalianoVD]

Kyoko you seemingly flipped on?

Hey hey now, not a full flip. I don’t feel comfortable fully townreading him, but I at least don’t wanna vote him today.

Is the only reason he’s getting voted is because of his readslist?

[ItalianoVD]

That’s all I’ve seen really.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So you think someone can read the top 4 posters in this game and honestly have town leans on all of them?

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Rlotus

i don't know if scum wagon quite that fast, i'm trying to find fault with the wagon but i tr it

[MaxTheFox]

My thoughts:

I looked over gamma and other than his push on me which I did not like, the rest of their posting seems fine
Andres feels fine on tone but too early to get a good grasp
Max... feels scummy to me, always has
Savethedragons is "ok", not where I want my vote today
I read through VFP iso and I don't know, they made a good point that they haven't done anything and the townreads on them are weird, kind of feel they're being hypocritical by also calling me town, and I don't know about 370

I didn’t like how Gamma was trying to paint your lurking as scum and kinda disregarded a space for town you.
So you’ve played with Max before? Or are you just talking about this game?
And no read on me?

They couldn't have played with me before. Doubt we met before offsite either.

[Noraa]

I'd like to say that this isn't true but I'm having a hard time reading Dunn this game so I'm not willing to comment on his alignment anymore until I'm more certain. I do overall agree that Dunn probably shouldn't be the day 1 lim.

How do you get certain? Is it just reading more of his posts? Or his votes? Etc..

its a feeling.

[Noraa]

This wagon took off so fast

Cuz Noraa's bussing, just let it happen

says the person who literally was so self conscious about voting his buddy that he wrote a whole paragraph explaining how he wanted to start the wagon but instead decided to wait until it was half full to jump on.

[ItalianoVD]

So you think someone can read the top 4 posters in this game and honestly have town leans on all of them?

I can’t say really. It’s kinda nuanced. Players see things all kinds of ways and read people differently whether by tone or gut or intent, etc. Perhaps it’s a little simplistic and needs some more depth, but I can’t say it’s outright scummy to me.

[ItalianoVD]

I'd like to say that this isn't true but I'm having a hard time reading Dunn this game so I'm not willing to comment on his alignment anymore until I'm more certain. I do overall agree that Dunn probably shouldn't be the day 1 lim.

How do you get certain? Is it just reading more of his posts? Or his votes? Etc..

its a feeling.

Ok gotcha.

[ItalianoVD]

i don't know if scum wagon quite that fast, i'm trying to find fault with the wagon but i tr it

I had an issue with the last two voters Johnny and ssbm, but does scum post 465? I mean it’s pretty bold imo. Am I reading too much into it? Or does anyone else see it?

And frankly, I haven’t seen too many quick wagons get started by scum since I been on this site. They get muddied in late on the wagon but usually the first few are town. What do you think about Johnny?

[ItalianoVD]

They couldn't have played with me before. Doubt we met before offsite either.

Uh huh. So what are your thoughts on the game? Aside from Noraa. Do you have a feel for anything that’s happened up to this point? Anything stand out to you?

[Lukewarm]

From my experience with Dunn, he is very hard for me to get a read on, he seems to just float by at the bottom of null all game. So yeah, I like the direction there from gamma.

VOTE: Dunn

No one else has stood out to me thus far

This is the main thing that pinged me for Lotus. His thoughts about and vote on Dunn felt strange. Hard to read + floating in null = the only person who has stood out to him so far. Those seem almost counter to one another. So it felt like he was just trying to justify joining a wagon, and that justification felt insincere.

But I also don't like how quick his wagon formed up, especially given that the wagon was sparked by someone who most of the lobby appeared to have null read or a scum lean on. That is why I commented on Dunn apparently being a town leader, because it does seem weird to me that so many people immediately jumped on his FoS.

[Save The Dragons]

What do you think about Johnny?

i think town i think town tries harder than scum and it looks like he's been trying based on his re-read of the thread in an earlier post.

[RLotus]

So you think someone can read the top 4 posters in this game and honestly have town leans on all of them?

Yes I can and I did, and why couldn't someone? They are the most active posters, shouldn't it be more likely that they have something worth reading into?

The basis for this is honestly quite ridiculous

[RLotus]

This is the main thing that pinged me for Lotus. His thoughts about and vote on Dunn felt strange. Hard to read + floating in null = the only person who has stood out to him so far. Those seem almost counter to one another. So it felt like he was just trying to justify joining a wagon, and that justification felt insincere.

Dunn was a big topic of discussion, I was just throwing my experience with him into discussion

[RLotus]

Votecount

Dunnstral [3]:

RLotus, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

ssbm_Kyouko [2]:

Lukewarm, ItalianoVD

Gamma Emerald [1]:

VFP

Andresvmb [1]:

JohnnyFarrar

ItalianoVD [1]:

ssbm_Kyouko

Save The Dragons [1]:

Dunnstral

Noraa [1]:

Andresvmb

Andresvmb [1]:

Noraa

Not Voting: UC Voyager, MaxTheFox

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-05-28 14:03:00) or when majority is reached.

Lotus now that you’ve seen more from Dunn is it enough to not vote for him or are you still comfortable there?

Yeah, he moves up for me, not quite town, but I'd prefer Johnny atm. Not that he's a hard scumread anyway but yeah

Spoiler:

Johnny

[RLotus]

woops VOTE: Johnny

[JohnnyFarrar]

So you think someone can read the top 4 posters in this game and honestly have town leans on all of them?

Yes I can and I did, and why couldn't someone? They are the most active posters, shouldn't it be more likely that they have something worth reading into?

The basis for this is honestly quite ridiculous

So like, yes it's possible. But likely? No. Believable in this game? Not at all.

Spoiler:

Johnny

Best spoiler ever

[RLotus]

So like, yes it's possible. But likely? No. Believable in this game? Not at all.

Can you explain why it isn't likely?

[ItalianoVD]

What do you think about Johnny?

i think town i think town tries harder than scum and it looks like he's been trying based on his re-read of the thread in an earlier post.

Ehh, I don't think so because he jumped on Andres after calling out Noraa for splitting votes and then jumped on RLotus not for his own reasoning, but. I also find the point of not being able to engage with the game when there was defintiely stuff to engage in was kinda meh. That last part is probably just confbias, but it's there for me.

With that said I think I feel better here for the day.

VOTE: Johnny

[ItalianoVD]

...and then jumped on RLotus not for his own reasoning, but...

for Dunn's and kinda Andres'

[ItalianoVD]

Oh I see Lotus is already there. Okay.