Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]
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Bambi Jay Mafia Scum
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Bambi Jay Mafia Scum
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Game is solved since Ration and Ana voted first. Those 2 voting me together will prove the results.
If me Tbone and VFP vote Llama they can't hammer without killing their teammate and being suspicious. Llama already is voting me so their 3 scum votes can't kill me.
Bingle and Kerset already agree I can only be scum with Tbone and VFP, so even if Ana decides to not unvote Llama here and team Tbone votes him to 4 votes neither Bingle or Kerset will hammer, and Ration won't kill his partner.
I'm not in danger of dying since if Ana switches we got all 3 baddies voting me and they won't hammer Llama. So we win when we prove the scumteam can only be Tbone/VFP/Bambi or Ration/Ana/Llama. With Kerset and Bingle as confirmed town to decide it town wins.
Edit: Mod you missed Ration voting me last page.
Fixed, just for you. -Y-
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LlamaFluff Jack of All Trades
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Again... do I really need to make a case on anyone else when Bambi is just asking players to put me in hammer range to "prove they are town" to an extent where this is them betting the game on Bingle/Kerset being town if Bambi was town. Their entire argument is just badly flawed logic on multiple levels, especially after spending all of D1 pretty much just sheeping what others (me) had to say on everything. I think somewhere in that exceedingly convoluted logic though it shows Ana/RM are probably town though.-
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Bambi Jay Mafia Scum
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LlamaFluff Jack of All Trades
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I would *love* for you to explain how as scum I decide to bus Ana/RM out of nowhere entirely unprompted and then decide to completely flip that on SS.-
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You are absolutely losing your sanity at this point if you are Town.In post 1349, Bambi Jay wrote:Ah Ration made his move, this'll be much easier.
You do understand if Ana votes you with me and you're Town the game is absolutely lost right?-
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Unless it's just you, Bingle, and Kerset...In post 1352, Bambi Jay wrote:Game is solved since Ration and Ana voted first. Those 2 voting me together will prove the results.
If me Tbone and VFP vote Llama they can't hammer without killing their teammate and being suspicious. Llama already is voting me so their 3 scum votes can't kill me.
Bingle and Kerset already agree I can only be scum with Tbone and VFP, so even if Ana decides to not unvote Llama here and team Tbone votes him to 4 votes neither Bingle or Kerset will hammer, and Ration won't kill his partner.
I'm not in danger of dying since if Ana switches we got all 3 baddies voting me and they won't hammer Llama. So we win when we prove the scumteam can only be Tbone/VFP/Bambi or Ration/Ana/Llama. With Kerset and Bingle as confirmed town to decide it town wins.
Edit: Mod you missed Ration voting me last page.
Fixed, just for you. -Y
I don’t understand what benefit this would have other than risk a 33% chance loss.-
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I can’t wait for an explanation as to how this isn’t just a terrible idea, tbh."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I’d be interested in hearing how you arrived at 33% loss after Bambi explains herself. I also don’t think you’ve shared your analysis of potential partner groups yet.In post 1357, VFP wrote:I don’t understand what benefit this would have other than risk a 33% chance loss."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Lynx?In post 1355, LlamaFluff wrote:I would *love* for you to explain how as scum I decide to bus Ana/RM out of nowhere entirely unprompted and then decide to completely flip that on SS."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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No sinice only you follow Bone not the other way.In post 1340, Bambi Jay wrote:To Ration, Bingle, and Kerset... Ana too I guess
Do all 4 of you agree I'm most likely to be partnered with Tbone and VFP? Genuine question because that'll tell me the course of action I gotta take.giv me pagetop :(-
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You could ask bone to vote llama and vfp you. It would be simpler. The only problem will be if you happen to be scum with ana. In that case your complex plan gives you insta win.In post 1350, Bambi Jay wrote:Ana, vote me too please.
Tbone and VFP, vote Llama then we'll both be at 3.
You'll figure out the scum team when Bingle and Kerset don't instantly hammer. They'll be confirmed town and we win after more debate and we prove Llama is the bad guy.giv me pagetop :(-
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NoIn post 1352, Bambi Jay wrote:Bingle and Kerset already agree I can only be scum with Tbone and VFPgiv me pagetop :(-
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This is entire point of this game.In post 1334, LlamaFluff wrote:Two and Three are WIFOM unless you are actually trying to say that you feel you can accurately tell the difference between town pushing reads and scum faking a read assuming they are going to die and scum faking a read trying to win it right here.giv me pagetop :(-
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Bambi Jay Mafia Scum
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Let me explain it then. Assume your town okay?In post 1358, Bingle wrote:I can’t wait for an explanation as to how this isn’t just a terrible idea, tbh.
Frankly fmp I know I'm town right? So I know how to minimize risk to myself here. Ration has been targeting me since day 1 and Ana didn't do much besides probably bus Llama. Not even that well considering she already admitted to wanting to switch votes.
Scum will usually vote first in this situation disregarding me and Llama since we already know the other has to be our target. If your scum you set your votes on both your partner and the VT to have an instant hammer opportunity when 2 of you vote.
From your perspective I guess I can be scum with them but since I can tell their goal is to get me killed I believe they just need Bingle and Kerset to vote me to win, hence me trusting them now.
I trust Tbone and VFP still obviously so having them vote Llama with me shows not only did they not wanna hammer me to show they aren't partners with Llama, Ration and Ana wouldn't be able to quick hammer Llama since that just kills their partner and it doesn't help them survive when we confirm that atleast Bingle and Kerset are town. Same but reversed if ya believe the other 2 are my partners. They'd only be able to hammer me.
Okay, different question then. Since YOU know your town, and you know 1 of each a pair and a single are together, let's look at the pairs.In post 1361, Kerset wrote:
No since only you follow Bone not the other way.In post 1340, Bambi Jay wrote:To Ration, Bingle, and Kerset... Ana too I guess
Do all 4 of you agree I'm most likely to be partnered with Tbone and VFP? Genuine question because that'll tell me the course of action I gotta take.
Bambi/Ration
Bambi/Tbone
Llama/Ration
Llama/Tbone
Which makes more sense to ya?-
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Bambi Jay Mafia Scum
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So in this scenario you want the votes to be like this?In post 1362, Kerset wrote:
You could ask bone to vote llama and vfp you. It would be simpler. The only problem will be if you happen to be scum with ana. In that case your complex plan gives you insta win.In post 1350, Bambi Jay wrote:Ana, vote me too please.
Tbone and VFP, vote Llama then we'll both be at 3.
You'll figure out the scum team when Bingle and Kerset don't instantly hammer. They'll be confirmed town and we win after more debate and we prove Llama is the bad guy.
Bambi: Ration, Llama, VFP
Llama: Bambi, Ana, Tbone
Considering my plan is to show your town, this can work too. Doesn't lock me in as partners with Tbone or Llama with Ration, but I can work with that and you have the assurance that a team of Bambi/Ration or Llama/Tbone doesn't fuck you over with a quick hammer.
I'll also agree with that just to prove to you it isn't you.-
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And I pribably won't be doing so more so than what I have done.In post 1359, Bingle wrote:
I’d be interested in hearing how you arrived at 33% loss after Bambi explains herself. I also don’t think you’ve shared your analysis of potential partner groups yet.In post 1357, VFP wrote:I don’t understand what benefit this would have other than risk a 33% chance loss.
Mainly because u don't understand where you want me to go with it?-
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Okay I am done. Everyone vote Bambi.-
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Bambi has actively refused to answer a direct question repeatedly.-
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Well it would be 33% from Bambi's PoV.In post 1359, Bingle wrote:
I’d be interested in hearing how you arrived at 33% loss after Bambi explains herself. I also don’t think you’ve shared your analysis of potential partner groups yet.In post 1357, VFP wrote:I don’t understand what benefit this would have other than risk a 33% chance loss.
From 1 pair being, you know... scum.-
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Bingle Survivor
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Not really. It's actually substantially more than that or substantially less than that from TownBambi's PoV. If you're talking from a position where she has already lost any game with RM/Ana scum it's a safe move for specifically her. If you're talking from a PoV of uninformed VT it's the case where either you or us are scum with Llama, which would be 66% of the time.
Kerset's suggestion would indeed conftown us with no risk of anyone else being able to hammer, but I don't know why anyone would actually agree to that since if you're townreading us to the extent of being willing to go through with that plan then you've functionally conftowned us anyways and it's just a useless gesture."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Why does scum Bambi suggest it?In post 1372, VFP wrote:The plan from Bambi is so scum sided, I think I favour Bambi over Llama for it.
T-Bone, think I'm just being Paranoid here or is this reasonable?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky
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