Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[VFP]

In fact we are just confirmed as town now, right?
So I want to spend the day left talking to T-Bone.

[VFP]

Just to clarify, we posted at the same time Bambi being on E2
And Llama is E1.

T-Bone regardless of what happens just unvote please.

[yessiree]

VC 2.20

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

LlamaFluff (4)

- Bambi Jay, T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Anastasia

Note voting - VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[Bingle]

VOTE: RM

This is now confscum to me. I am willing to vote whichever vt kers/vfp/Tbone arrive at.

[Kerset]

Kerstel

It is Kerset not kerstel

[VFP]

I'm sorry!

[Bambi Jay]

What did I wake up too. Geez.

I don't know how this works anymore tho.

@Mod:

since Llama surpassed me in votes for a bit but we're tied again, is he set to die in plurality or is it me since I was at 3 first? That seems like important information to have rn.

Nobody claimed to be going on VLA or anything so today we will use these 18 hours wisely I guess.

VFP literally tell me what Llama has done for your loyalty here. I'm not being confusing or keeping the situation confused. I'm being straight with ya. A Llama elim will instantly win us the game here. We have Kerset and Tbone agreeing with me and you just confirmed you ain't scum at all.

At this point to ya is it still possible for it to be Bingle and Kerset? Because it's obvious they're in the same situation as you for so long and isn't trying to influence you. It's nearly impossible to me to think they're evil.

So HOW does Ration/Ana not go with Llama more then Bambi, VFP? Ration has been townreading Llama since day one and also kept arguing against me and Vex then Smart. He's tried to strongarm the VT elims to me multiple times. He outted himself to vote me and he hasn't been reasonable at all.

Please just look into the chats and see the truth. If Plurality rules in Llama's favor I'm instantly switching with you guys to Ration and Ana but we basically instantly win with a Llama elim.

[Kerset]

I am pretty sure that plurality won't matter, because Bone and VFP will just settle down on something.

[T-Bone]

Just to clarify, we posted at the same time Bambi being on E2
And Llama is E1.

T-Bone regardless of what happens just unvote please.

unvote

I think you're falling hook, line, and sinker for the disinformation campaign but we can talk for a moment.

[T-Bone]

Like, Kerset/Bingle's actions do not clear Llama in any way. Even if you want to buy them as 'not scum with Llama' that's one thing.

But Llama has tried to twist those events to confirm himself as town. Even going so far as to quote two posts from Kerse/Bingle when Bambi was NOT in elimination range to "prove" that they aren't scum together. That is a blatant obscuring of the facts, and why I keep using the word lie, VFP.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't know what else to say there. But I guess we just gotta make sure it's confirmed who's voting who before we have someone go to sleep since today is the last day for day 2.

Also I find it funny Both Bingle AND VFP has put me to E1 separately now. not so funny if I actually died from it but still funny.

[T-Bone]

You just said that you'd be dead if Kerset and Bingle are scum, and then you make an argument that makes them not scum with Bambi (and makes Bambi either not scum or scum with RM/Ana). It doesn't do anything to relieve you of your pairings though. It's almost like you're trying to take Bambi's town case and apply it to yourself.

Little drunk... but stop me where I am wrong

1) If the team is me+Bingle/Kerset scum would have already won (lack of Bambi hammer)
2) Team is not me + You/VFP
3) Only team where I am scum is me + Ana/RM
4) RM/Ana can be scum with me or Bambi

Only 2 and 4 are true. I'm not going to read Kerset/Bingle for something they didn't do.

Wait... you are claiming that Me + Bingle/Kerset didnt hammer Bambi at -1?

VOTE: Bambi

I think that this is wrong choice.

Isnt this Kerset not hammering a -1 Bambi?

Right here VFP. Bambi was not at L-2 when this occurred. This is the "proof" being fabricated.

Like, Kerset/Bingle not hammering Llama has nothing to do with Llama's alignment. Llama continues to try to claim Kerset/Bingle's actions (or lack of actions) as proof to him being town. That's dishonest.

Llama then tries to frame this vote as RM/Ana vs. Bambi because of this supposed clear. That's a dishonest argument you are falling for atm. There's nothing honest or true about that argument.

Llama then uses that position to try and tell us 'if Bambi were town she should vote for RM'. That's dishonest.

I'm gonna need something more compelling than 'Llama can only be scum with RM/Ana'. If that's true then let's solve that problem today.

[VFP]

Like, Kerset/Bingle's actions do not clear Llama in any way. Even if you want to buy them as 'not scum with Llama' that's one thing.

But Llama has tried to twist those events to confirm himself as town. Even going so far as to quote two posts from Kerse/Bingle when Bambi was NOT in elimination range to "prove" that they aren't scum together. That is a blatant obscuring of the facts, and why I keep using the word lie, VFP.

I agree that Llama isn't clear here. Llama can be scum, and I don't see Llama as arguing against this being a possibility.
Maybe I'm just being stupid here but where is Llama playing off as confirmed town or should be considered as town outside of RM / Ana?

I think I still see it as preemptive mindset rather than a lie, but I can see the path you're going with that.

Right now there are only 3 possibilities
Bambi / Bingle / Kerset
Bamni / RM / Ana
Llama / RM / Ana

It must be agreed that at the very least we lim RM / Ana over Llama?

From each group as well. Scum can only be
RM/Ana - Bambi /Kerset /Bingle
Bingle/Kerset - Llama / RM / Ana or Bambi / RM / Ana
Llama - Bambi / RM /Ana or Bambi / Bingle / Kerset
Bambi - Llama / RM / Ana

So from town PoV, Llama will always vote Bambi, Bambi any of the 3, but RM / Ana in towns interest.
Bingle Kerset always on RM / Ana.
RM Ana on any of the 3, most likely Bambi.

[Kerset]

I still don't get this post

Yet I am *not* confirmed scum to anyone else. However if RM/Ana is not scum, I am confirmed town to everyone else.

and if we eliminate them with town flip then it is gg [3 town vs 3 scum], do you want to be confirmed postgame?

RM/Ana is a spot that anyone can agree with voting apart from them.

Unless the scumteam is me, bingle and bambi. In that case RM/Ana would be game over for you, Bone & VFP.

I actually cant be scum without them being scum. Not sure how this is a difficult concept to grasp. It physically impossible for me to be scum unless RM/Ana is scum *first*,

this is true but what does

thats why I am town,

that mean. I can see why you want us to elim RM before you but it doesn't mark you as town

scum cant deal with targeting RM/Ana first.

*character speaks to himself and loop begins*

[VFP]

Give me 1.5hours and I'll be finished work, T-Bone.

[Bambi Jay]

Like... I've also called him out not voting there either for a guy harping so much about it and not even solving the Pairs in the slightest until either I'm dead or they're voted out.

There has to be a point where we call out blatant scum behavior right? Literally this isn't about logic. He's just being evil.

[RationalMadman]

I am extremely confused. Extremely. How is Bingle claiming I confscum?

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: RM

This is now confscum to me. I am willing to vote whichever vt kers/vfp/Tbone arrive at.

Please explain this. Please.

[RationalMadman]

I just understood why I am confirmed to Bingle which means Bingle is confirmed to me. I didn't see the vote where VFP was online having hammer properly for what it was.

[RationalMadman]

The team is Bambi, Bingle amd Kerset.

[Bambi Jay]

Keep dreaming bro. If that was the case Bingle had no need to unvote at all and vote you.

I usually say sorry to the people I catch but you I don't feel bad catching.

[RationalMadman]

You didnt catch anything.

[RationalMadman]

You just voted yourself and st worst got hammered by the other Town pair which probably wasn't going to happen either way and if it did you could hope that bussing accusations won it for your pair which I now know are bingle and kerset.

[Bambi Jay]

I await your long essay of why your right and everyone is inferior to your genius brain.

Have you even read the discussions at all recently by the way? Why not counter Llama's logic here? Your not even adding new points why I'm scum.

And if you believe that trio make a damn good case. If it comes to Bingle/Kerset/Bambi and Ration/Ana/Llama we sure as hell aren't gonna lose to you guys.

[LlamaFluff]

Right now there are only 3 possibilities
Bambi / Bingle / Kerset
Bamni / RM / Ana
Llama / RM / Ana

It must be agreed that at the very least we lim RM / Ana over Llama?

From each group as well. Scum can only be
RM/Ana - Bambi /Kerset /Bingle
Bingle/Kerset - Llama / RM / Ana or Bambi / RM / Ana
Llama - Bambi / RM /Ana or Bambi / Bingle / Kerset
Bambi - Llama / RM / Ana

This