Damned right. proper cuppa wi Yorkshire Tea, side of custard creams, eugh straight into our collective heart right there.In post 198, Marky Mark wrote:On a waaaay lighter note, the mental image of Major Minor's SRs of Flea and I in one of their earlier posts made me chuckle. IIRC Flea is from Yorkshire, so if we ran a cult between us, it would be British af. Compulsory tea and custard creams for all initiates
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Why am I on Raya still?
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...am I now being pushed because I had to step away from my computer for more than 10 minutes? Like, legitimately? Because I didn't respond to you 5 minutes after you responded to me?In post 190, Marky Mark wrote:
This really felt like you were trying to shade me here and accuse me of being disingenuous. Yet, when I replied to you in near real time, there was a significant pause before then you came up with 2 slots that I would argue had been notably more active than you at that point in the game and the backup mod.In post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
If I genuinely felt like another player was singling me out, I would call them out based on their behaviours, but here it feels like you had to retrospectively find a justification for your accusation against me when I called you out on it.I'm anti anti, ain't I?-
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One quick thing I feel I should signal boost quickly:
In post 195, InsidiousLemons wrote: also,can i request that we stop referring to anyone as MM?there are two players with those initials and it will only cause confusion.I am seconding this, and asking all of you as the moderator to please try to use something other than MM to refer to Major Minor and Marky Mark. I cannot enforce something like this, but I can strongly encourage you to do so.
As well, any votes for "MM" will simply be ignored, seeing as there are two players with that acronym. Nobody has done this yet, from what I'm aware of, but I'm going to say it anyways.Last edited by Korina on Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:36 am, edited 1 time in total.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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So you just chose to not read my posts expressing my discomfort towards Flea?In post 209, T3 wrote:It seems like Major minor basically just chose the most convenient wagon to vote for.I'm anti anti, ain't I?-
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For what it's worth, I won't be claiming, even if I'm put to E-1. So if the reasons stated so far are actually compelling to you, put your vote on me. Preferably with an explanation as to why those reasons were so compelling so that the actual townies can catch you for joining a bad wagon later.I'm anti anti, ain't I?-
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I don't want a claim from you, haven't I made that clear? I don't want E-1 claims.
I want you do some things that tell me you're town.
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You'd made a couple of posts in quick succession so were clearly online. I then replied within 4 minutes but it took you 40 minutes to respond when I pushed you for actual examples. Of course, it could have just been unfortunate timing, I can't rule that out, but I hope you can see why it is sus.In post 206, Major Minor wrote:
...am I now being pushed because I had to step away from my computer for more than 10 minutes? Like, legitimately? Because I didn't respond to you 5 minutes after you responded to me?In post 190, Marky Mark wrote:
This really felt like you were trying to shade me here and accuse me of being disingenuous. Yet, when I replied to you in near real time, there was a significant pause before then you came up with 2 slots that I would argue had been notably more active than you at that point in the game and the backup mod.In post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
If I genuinely felt like another player was singling me out, I would call them out based on their behaviours, but here it feels like you had to retrospectively find a justification for your accusation against me when I called you out on it.
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If you didn't have specific slots in mind at the time (ie was more of a rough feeling) then why phrase your post to shade me over it before checking your facts?
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This is actually a good question. I would have assumed Cult Cop but I don't see anything that clearly states it one way or the other (though the lack of a sample flip PM saying 'Cult Cop' would suggest it would just be 'Cultist')In post 187, Enchant wrote:How you tell apart simple cultist from cultist-cop?
Or do converted remain their powerrole and flip as some "Cult Cop"? I think it simple "Cultist".
@mod: Can you answer as to whether a player who begins as Town Cop and then gets cult-recruited would flip as 'Cult Cop' or as 'Cultist'?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Enchant, I'd appreciate your stating some kind of opinion on the MaMi wagon. (Is that abbreviation any better?)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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In post 217, Umlaut wrote:@mod: Can you answer as to whether a player who begins as Town Cop and then gets cult-recruited would flip as 'Cult Cop' or as 'Cultist'?As per the OP, recruited players and the generated cultist in any C setup both share the same flip as "Cultist."GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Eugh so town remains infoless, I was assuming flips as "Cult Tracker" and stuff.
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I hunt on associatives. I like to group people into pools and work backwards from there. Especially early on in the game.In post 212, Flea The Magician wrote:I don't want a claim from you, haven't I made that clear? I don't want E-1 claims.
I want you do some things that tell me you're town.
Without associatives, whats your reads? why?
I'm also having trouble divorcing actual reads on people from retaliatory reads where I think the people voting for me are scummy. That being said, I believe that independent of their voting for me, Lemons stands a reasonable chance to flip scum here.In post 213, Marky Mark wrote:
You'd made a couple of posts in quick succession so were clearly online. I then replied within 4 minutes but it took you 40 minutes to respond when I pushed you for actual examples. Of course, it could have just been unfortunate timing, I can't rule that out, but I hope you can see why it is sus.In post 206, Major Minor wrote:
...am I now being pushed because I had to step away from my computer for more than 10 minutes? Like, legitimately? Because I didn't respond to you 5 minutes after you responded to me?In post 190, Marky Mark wrote:
This really felt like you were trying to shade me here and accuse me of being disingenuous. Yet, when I replied to you in near real time, there was a significant pause before then you came up with 2 slots that I would argue had been notably more active than you at that point in the game and the backup mod.In post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
If I genuinely felt like another player was singling me out, I would call them out based on their behaviours, but here it feels like you had to retrospectively find a justification for your accusation against me when I called you out on it.
I guess the deeper question is this:Did you have specific slots in mind at the time when you shaded me for singling you out?
But see, this wasn't a question of raw activity. In my mind, the accusation was less about activity and more about the implication that I wasn't "adding anything to the wider game" or "asking new questions". I still contend that I had done just as much as T3/osuka at that point, because I had tunneled in on one train of thought and was pursuing it. My reaction was "Wait, why is adding new questions a metric for engagement? And if that's the case, why am I getting shouted out for it? There are other low impact players out there that I can't name a single actual thing they've done." I had the Maruchan post in mind, though not necessarily Maruchan's name attached to it. Then upon going back to examine the playerlist, I saw all these names where I was like, I can't name a single thing this person has done of value or any questions they've added to the game state. Which lead to my summary post.In post 214, Marky Mark wrote:If you didn't have specific slots in mind at the time (ie was more of a rough feeling) then why phrase your post to shade me over it before checking your facts?
If you did have those specific slots in mind then I would question your judgement as the non-mod examples you gave were more active than you at that point in time.I'm anti anti, ain't I?-
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You don't.In post 220, Flea The Magician wrote:Eugh so town remains infoless, I was assuming flips as "Cult Tracker" and stuff.
Hmm... ok I need ot think on this.
If you are PR, you should claim before dying. Either you die anyway, but point who you used ability on and save town some headache, or survive and actually help town (if you can't count, we have 3 myslynches. And lynching of common cultist COUNTS as Myslynch for that purpose. Actually it's harder to count, but you get idea, killing Cop is waste regardless if he is real or converted, and quickens cult win).
Also we could consider "Unrecruitable" gambit, where all PRs claim Unrecruitable if forced.
Then we can protect PRs via that and not to lose so much from if there's indeed Unrecruitable (cult could waste convert on them).
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Why not? I think there are points for both ways.In post 135, T3 wrote:I don't think the enchant questioning thing is AI.
Yeah, not the biggest fan of this either.In post 139, Umlaut wrote:
WMFMIn post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
(This tell didn't actually work in my last game but I still think it has merit)
This is the same idea againIn post 146, Major Minor wrote: Feels rather disingenuous on your part, tbh.
I think Enchant's analysis on the cult's likelihood of hard-bussing is good and pro-town. I hadn't really put too much thought into that possibility.
@Flea, why is this set-up fishing? I don't really get how it was fishing for anything. Plus wouldn't the scum have a decent idea of the set-up? It's been a while since I've played one of these block set-up games.
Also don't get this. They can stop the convert?In post 160, Enchant wrote:Sorry, but believing jailkeeper or rolestopper can stop convert is..
Uuuh. How good are docs and jailkeepers? Unless we have unrecruitable townies, it's safe to assume cult always convert someone, and game will turn in chaos mess on day 2 already.
Absolutely agree with this. It's actual proof that no thought was put into who was being attacked. They just grabbed every name that could fit the profile.In post 164, Umlaut wrote:Lol did MM actually include the co-mod on his list of suspects? Can't believe I missed that, it's self-defensive "please yeet anyone but me" finger-pointing if ever I saw it.
What makes Flea convenient?In post 209, T3 wrote:It seems like Major minor basically just chose the most convenient wagon to vote for.
I'm getting a slight scumread on T3. I do think Major is much scummier though. I just don't want him at E-1 yet.
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