Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

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Here's a random question to everyone.

How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?

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VOTE: Hockeyfan

This is scum. Sheep gogogo

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Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

An RVS no?

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At this point I've never tried Forum Mafia before, so I'm not too confident myself about this game.

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At this point I've never tried Forum Mafia before, so I'm not too confident myself about this game.

Have you played IRL? Or have you read games on site?

I've played chat Mafia, and I've been keeping up with some of the games. It's a very different feel for sure.

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So I take it this is the point where the game goes from silly and random talk to about the game at hand?

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I'm seriously wondering about HockeyFan right now. Trying to consider if he's Town or scum playing town, or even if they are able to do that.

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Yes?

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

And immediately before that vote, you asked a question about our confidence in winning the game, correct?

Yes. Wasn't really meant for anything in the first place.

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So why ask it?

Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.

To be honest, I had two thoughts come up, and one was that question that meant little for the game, and playing how I would normally do, usually RVS.

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I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

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I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

This is the exact opposite of how I approach games lol

I find it easier to find confident town reads early, then I can sort the rest of the players.

I find it easier to get a grasp of who I can assume is Town once there's a lot on several players to POE and make it easier to pick out scum.

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@HockeyFan, what is your experience with Mafia?

Not all that great, when I've played several chat Mafia games and haven't done all that well.

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Oops, I thought they were talking to me. Whyyyy

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I'm also a bit confused by the Luke and me partners. @HockeyFan, can you explain why do you think Lukewarm would defend me?

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I'm really not too sure about HockeyFan. To me he seems Town, but I'm very leaning away with his partner reads right now. will bet on saying Zyla's a decently good town read, as much as I wish we had scumreads, this is the best we can do.

This game has been a messy and not too great for me. For now, good night.

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I'm really not too sure about HockeyFan. To me he seems Town, but I'm very leaning away with his partner reads right now. will bet on saying Zyla's a decently good town read, as much as I wish we had scumreads, this is the best we can do.

This game has been a messy and not too great for me. For now, good night.

What is wrong with partnery reads? Imo you and Luke were paired because of his post #24. Also your response to Haschel's questioning seemed a bit off(More null than scummy) but still a bit scummy.


As for Azeru's and cyrus's opening, Azeru's was maybe town leaning? And Cyrus's posts were interesting, I really don't know how to gauge them just yet, so hes probably null rn

I don’t mean it like it’s a bad thing, that was poor wording. Partners, to me, is a way to start with weak reads early, and progress into better reads and such.

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I'm really not too sure about HockeyFan. To me he seems Town, but

I'm very leaning away with his partner reads right now.

will bet on saying Zyla's a decently good town read, as much as I wish we had scumreads, this is the best we can do.

This game has been a messy and not too great for me. For now, good night.

What is wrong with partnery reads? Imo you and Luke were paired because of his post #24. Also your response to Haschel's questioning seemed a bit off(More null than scummy) but still a bit scummy.


As for Azeru's and cyrus's opening, Azeru's was maybe town leaning? And Cyrus's posts were interesting, I really don't know how to gauge them just yet, so hes probably null rn

I don’t mean it like it’s a bad thing, that was poor wording.

Partners, to me, is a way to start with weak reads early, and progress into better reads and such.

Can you clarify this a little more? I'm still not 100% sure exactly where you stand on this, but my understanding is that you have no problem with partner reads in general, you just didn't like the ones that HockeyFan was suggesting. Is that right?

Partially no, that isn't fully what I mean. The problems I have emphasis on post 24, ignoring a question possibly why, and a conclusion that Luke is a strong scum read from partners.

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See post 86. So @HockeyFan, can you please explain why you think Luke would be scum defending me here?

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Strange Matter is the scummier one right now but STD is very close to being as scummy Strange rn(although as of right now, the read on STD can change a ton based on their next few posts, unlike the Strange SR from me rn)

Can you restate why Strange is scum?

Based off your questions for me, and likely the start that I had early on.

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Right now, I don't really see a good reason for scum to defend one another very early on. It might be that they picked a risky route, but I doubt they'll defend each other.

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Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

I really need to ask this, but why did you push HockeyFan earlier? Just wondering.

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@cyrus62 can you share some reads right now?

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I don’t know what to expect from Cyrus at this point, or even if he’s actually being serious or not.

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Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Claiming early is bad for us...

saids who? we know theirs only two prs so if scum slip and clime something then the real prs will know and bam caught the scum.

And what if the real PRs are outted, then what?

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Really didn’t expect these kinds of ideas coming up. We can agree they aren’t really all that helpful. Roles should just be left anonymous until absolutely necessary.

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At this point I think he’s not even being serious.

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At this point I think he’s not even being serious.

Do u think hes not being serious as town or is just deliberately wasting towns time as scum?

Not sure, both are completely plausible but his grammar feels absolutely intentionally like that.

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@HockeyFan what’s your opinion of the game so far?

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@HockeyFan what’s your opinion of the game so far?

Idk what u mean by "opinion". You asking for my reads or just my general opinion of the game?

Opinion of the game so far.

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Honestly I think now that the reaction test is fine. You’re supposed to get information as much as possible so I wouldn’t say it was a complete waste of time.

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As a side note, I definitely get what you mean as a whole, early Town Blocks are very powerful with good circumstances. It could absolutely seem that I don’t want a town block. However, I was more thinking along the lines that later building a consensus on who is town later in theory makes it difficult for scum to act. As for scum reads, I struggle with that a lot, so I said my intention, but really don’t know where to go right now considering the current conversation.

Hopefully that clears up what I meant, even if it was wrong.

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this game has new pages

cyrus isn't the play today

i still like hockey for town, i like the way he is engaging the game, it just feels like it's coming from town. same with zyla. luke's push on strangematter seems legit.

i'm less convinced about haschel atm. i want to hear more from azeru. i don't quite like 268 i get that it's early and not based on much but it does seem a little forced. strangematter is null for me.

i think that's where i'm at

What do you think Mafia would do next with this information?

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I worded that weirdly, but you get the point.

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What do you think Mafia will do in this current situation.

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What do you think Mafia will do in this current situation.

I dont like this question much tbh. I think hes just baiting answers from certain town members SO him(less likely) or his maf partner can start not doing these things

The goal, was to get people’s experience as Mafia to get an understanding what Mafia would do in situations that happened like the mess with Cyrus. I worded it really horribly by not adding specifics, but it was to gauge who was and wasn’t doing that action.

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What do you think Mafia will do in this current situation.

I dont like this question much tbh. I think hes just baiting answers from certain town members SO him(less likely) or his maf partner can start not doing these things

The goal, was to get people’s experience as Mafia to get an understanding what Mafia would do in situations that happened like the mess with Cyrus. I worded it really horribly by not adding specifics, but it was to gauge who was and wasn’t doing that action.

If cyrus is scum, then I have no idea what the scum team would do right now.

If cyrus in town, then the scum team would probably try to push him out, thinking he would be an easy Day 1 miselim at this point - which I realize now a great look for me, seeing as how I voted cyrus

I bet he’s probably the latter right now. Taking a possible 1v7 with PRs still in play is a terrible place. I really can’t see a benefit that is better or fine in this scenario. I just don’t see an experienced player pulling this.

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Can we talk about Pavowski, their posts from what I have seen aren’t doing really anything.

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Nevermind, I just forgot they existed. Most of their posts have done more than I have.

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I am going to read ISOs right now, this conversation doesn’t feel like it’s going anywhere.

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@Azeri can you please explain why you’re voting for Cyrus right now? You’ve been prodding and questioning Cyrus for a while now, and you choose to stay when there’s logical move from several accounts that says not to vote them?

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Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

So wait, you think my change from a scum lean to a town lean is distancing? Based off what HockeyFan gave reasonings for scum reads were weird, but in the has the right idea for a town mindset for scum hunting. Also, I think you’re forgetting other interactions that would point otherwise that you’re leaving out?

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Really don’t like post 330, it seemed so suspicious to me how it really seems like it was intentional, and misleading.

Also, I am stuck using a phone, which really doesn’t help trying to writing this out and making things easier.

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not everyone veers every read. go on, not now all. get in very easily yesterday on under under pain. not everyone veers every read! go on, not now all. lose everything to yesterday on under. don't over worry now.

What does this even mean???

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Doesn’t help it was posted right before a serious post.

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This game is such a mess.

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Forgot to do this but, this slot is too scummy for me not to talk about right now.

Vote: Pavowski

vote formatting fixed ~f

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@Pavowski can you explain what you thought about post 330, with that distancing act?

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Correction, what was your thought process that came about when you made post 330?

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@Pavowski can you explain what you thought about post 330, with that distancing act?

Correction, what was your thought process that came about when you made post 330?

Sure.

You RVS'd Hockey right out of the gate. Okay, random voting is a thing, cool.
In #49 you say you're actually wondering about them.
You accidentally answer a question directed at Hockeyfan (80). (I believe this was innocent.)
In #86 you ask Hockeyfan why Luke would defend you. (This is odd.)
You have a few posts about partners, then reiterate your question from #86 in #109.
In #138 you ask why Haschel is going in on Hockeyfan.
In #198 you ask Hockeyfan his opinion of the game.

Throughout all that you interact with the thread in general but seem to be *really* focused on Hockeyfan. You get a little bit bogged down with the Cyrus stuff (who hasn't), then you turn your attention on me, apparently because I pointed out your interest in Hockeyfan.

You sus him, then you defend him, then you buddy up to him. It smells fishy.

I'm on you at present because you're the fishiest thing I see in the thread so far, outside of the red herring I am trying very hard not to waste any more brain power on right now.

Let me clear this up really quick.

To explain post #86, his logic felt a bit weird, based off saying Luke defending me, which to me seemed like a joke post. As for post #138, it was a question that I felt could in turn gauge their intent and see if it was reasonable or not.

As for the changes in reads, that, is mostly up to reading players for me. Given enough time, I change reads based off what the person does that I see as Townie or Scummy. I can’t change if you think I am buddying, but I am not.

I’m wondering why you didn’t say this earlier right now, considering the original post said very weird.

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@Pav, can you expain rq again why u have a slight town read on STD.

Also Strange, you dont seem to have attempted STD yet? So what are your thoughts on them?

I really need them to talk more to formulate anything on them. Null. Kind of wished they pressure people from their scum reads though.

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@Pavowski can you explain what you thought about post 330, with that distancing act?

Correction, what was your thought process that came about when you made post 330?

Sure.

You RVS'd Hockey right out of the gate. Okay, random voting is a thing, cool.
In #49 you say you're actually wondering about them.
You accidentally answer a question directed at Hockeyfan (80). (I believe this was innocent.)
In #86 you ask Hockeyfan why Luke would defend you. (This is odd.)
You have a few posts about partners, then reiterate your question from #86 in #109.
In #138 you ask why Haschel is going in on Hockeyfan.
In #198 you ask Hockeyfan his opinion of the game.

Throughout all that you interact with the thread in general but seem to be *really* focused on Hockeyfan. You get a little bit bogged down with the Cyrus stuff (who hasn't), then you turn your attention on me, apparently because I pointed out your interest in Hockeyfan.

You sus him, then you defend him, then you buddy up to him. It smells fishy.

I'm on you at present because you're the fishiest thing I see in the thread so far, outside of the red herring I am trying very hard not to waste any more brain power on right now.

Let me clear this up really quick.

To explain post #86, his logic felt a bit weird, based off saying Luke defending me, which to me seemed like a joke post. As for post #138, it was a question that I felt could in turn gauge their intent and see if it was reasonable or not.

As for the changes in reads, that, is mostly up to reading players for me. Given enough time, I change reads based off what the person does that I see as Townie or Scummy. I can’t change if you think I am buddying, but I am not.

I’m wondering why you didn’t say this earlier right now, considering the original post said very weird.

I mean, I was giving out a few brief reads since a few people wanted to see them. I wasn't making a big deal of it (there's something to be said for not sharing EVERYTHING you're thinking), but you did ask.

And this is me making a note that you're particularly concerned in how we all see this relationship.

Of course reads change! Mine are changing all the time. It's the how, and the when, and the why, that are interesting.

To say I care about small things a lot is an understatement. However, I will point out as a self meta that I won’t buddy as scum, especially considering I don’t and definitely wouldn’t have the skill to pull off a buddying as a play.

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True, but oh well.

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@STD can you what your scumreads and townreads are so far?

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Hey save the Dragons
Why were you so upset with the way strange was being questioned so hard o page 3
Do you always defend newbie this way.

@strange,you didn't find it odd how sad was jumping in for you I mean how often do people tell se,s to give newbies some slack when they are voting them. Lukewarm why the need to jump in there . Std how were you so sure you found so many town reads so soon? Zyla you kinda seem odd here too, the way you said wow I can't believe how many reads already i thought I would have till tomorrow in rl . Then the way std basically said the same thing or was that lukewarm?

Hm, rethinking it now, I could see only a few reasons to take some pressure off me. None of them really are seem reasonable outside of the thought that they’re a newbie and need some help. Even then it is weird to me he said it in the first place, and something that almost never happens.

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I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

Also, I already knew that I had to respond to everything, but sometimes I don’t answer because I end up focusing on the conversation.

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Funny thing is I sometimes wait for the conversation to continue, only to realize later it’s already on another page.

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Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

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I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.

Well, it's mostly just something I thought up about right now. It was more about what could in theory been gained from this vote. If I remember correctly, a few scum reads on me were about buddying, involving people talking about possible partners. If it means getting information, I'm all for it. Only really a thought though.

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Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

I just want them to talk. They just need to be active in this game, but so far haven't. Not talking doesn't help anyone in this game, but it'd be stupid to vote and eliminate them for being silent.

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I have no been egging people into hammering haschel. Where did you get that idea from? I'd say that hammering, either from me or another person who didn't vote them, is a terrible idea.

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Oh you probably won't.

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I have no been egging people into hammering haschel. Where did you get that idea from? I'd say that hammering, either from me or another person who didn't vote them, is a terrible idea.

I literally already called you out over it??

Saying this, when Haschel is already at e-1

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

That still does not make sense to me, so you believed that I tried to get someone else on Hazel right?

Also, E-1.

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i feel seeing where lukewarm top scum read flips . you can learn alot about lynches . luke has been pushing him for a bit now.

I mean yeah. They are my top scum read

Telling other people not to give out town reads. Telling people they should focus on scum reads, but then not having any scum reads of their own. Lots of posts without actually saying very much - like look at their iso, it is almost all defended themselves- Then this recent bit with Haschel

Okay, first of all, I did NOT say to not give Town reads. Reread post #69. I pushed for scumreads over town reads, but did not tell other people not to give out their town reads, just stating what I was thinking about said scenario. Implications on what I mean have been generally your basis for your scumreads, from what I can tell, when normally I make decisions based off logic and how people act. Another fact is, I've been trying to gauge people using questions and studying their posts accordingly.

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No.

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A lack of contributions through ISOs I feel like is something that should be addressed, but needs to see the contents to understand. For example, would you still think someone is scum for filler, but every once in a while, they make a post that seems like something very townie? Probably not. And that's what I am trying to do right now, to a worse degree. Wait, and find something that needs addressing, and then addressing the issue that might have been glossed over. Also, I won't deny that my ISOs have been mostly me defending myself, but mostly trying to justify what I think of certain scenarios, things that might be scummy to others, but normal for when I've played. However, it feels like you ignored the questions that I asked that is how I push my reads further.

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Pavowski was a weird case since they were mostly acting very Town, but then made a statement in #330 that didn't really make much sense, then came up with a reason to it later. I think they might've been scum who is seen as Town to take an opportunity to look more town by looking to pressure an easy scummy town, and I feel would fit the criteria to pull such a stunt off in the first place.

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I'm considering there's a possibility that there's at least one between Pavowski and Azeru right now.

How likely would semi experienced scum pull two of the same trick out anyways?

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Bad wording. Essentially, do you think someone of decent experience would be able to pull off something like what I described.

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Are you saying I'm not scum, because I have no direction with any of the angles that I have tried pushing so far?

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going through some personal shit atm so i may be in and out but tonally i'm not a fan of strange, trying to sort out if that's playstyle or if he's scum

it could be hockey with his constant push of me i don't know if the read has developed or if it's a lazy push

it could also be haschel

That last part of this just seems a little weird to me. It felt like you just kind of threw the thought out there. Also, I'm not sure what caused this, but what's the change between post #67 and now that changed your mind?

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i mean it could also be haschel who hasn't really posted much

Lack of activity should be looked at as a whole to really say that. This answer still feels very thrown out there, pulling an implication that they are possible lurking scum. Also, you've been pushing getting haschel into talking more, but then have them on a scum lean. I there's only one part of that, which makes sense. Getting them to talk more gives more opportunity to read them right now, but not what is considered a scum lean.

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

can you tell me why save the dragons is sucmyer then hockey or why you town read hockey or why you prefer your vote on std , to hockey?

Right now, I want this slot to talk more, and get a read on them. Also, #719 is part of why I think this slot should be pushed here.

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going through some personal shit atm so i may be in and out but tonally i'm not a fan of strange, trying to sort out if that's playstyle or if he's scum

it could be hockey with his constant push of me i don't know if the read has developed or if it's a lazy push

it could also be haschel

That last part of this just seems a little weird to me. It felt like you just kind of threw the thought out there. Also, I'm not sure what caused this, but what's the change between post #67 and now that changed your mind?

i mean it could also be haschel who hasn't really posted much

Lack of activity should be looked at as a whole to really say that. This answer still feels very thrown out there, pulling an implication that they are possible lurking scum. Also, you've been pushing getting haschel into talking more, but then have them on a scum lean. I there's only one part of that, which makes sense. Getting them to talk more gives more opportunity to read them right now, but not what is considered a scum lean.

this is bad strange. every one has the right to have scum leans. most people who have played here long enough believe lurkers are scum. so are you voting him for voting hascal to get more info?

Two things I really noticed from STD was their change from an early TR to implying a SR just today. Right now, I don't see a reasonable reason other than lurkers are scum from what you've said. Even then, their answer is pretty much just repeating what they've said already. By your standards its completely reasonable, but could've been explained better, which to me points towards a low effort, which I feel is something scum can do.

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Or that could be the result of them having several posts on each other from what I remember.

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Feeling like STD is a bit low effort, haven't really pushed their reads outside of voting, but that might just be their playstyle.

As for Pavowski, I really am not too sure anymore, as it is only one scummy post, out of many posts that would point towards being Town.

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And even then, he better explained what he thought, albeit it feels different from their original post that I noticed.

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I think I am realizing that a lot of people in this lobby don't know how to make a scum case

Pretty much, I probably don't.

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Cyrus’ mindset is so weird and backwards at this point I want to believe he’s intentionally doing that.

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Time to check some other people's ISOs, especially people I haven't heard much about so far.

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So far from ISOs, I think that Zyla has been generally Town, but I think the first part of didn't sit well with me. I just don't see why that would be considered scummy to acknowledge the question that was designed to have many people answer the question. Maybe its just my thought process when it comes to Town, but I'd like to hear Zyla's logic regarding that post.

HockeyFan seems a bit weird to me. gives reasons as to pushing STD over me, but to me don't seem logical to do. I get lurking is scummy, but to me isn't scum indicative. To me, it feels like that's their only reason to push them, when from what I think they should be pushing through questions and prod to get that scumread on them.

Along with that, I read STD as null leaning scum, if anyone asks, I kind of want them to contribute more than just giving reads and voting.

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Pfft. Haha. I tried getting them to work.

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So far from ISOs, I think that Zyla has been generally Town, but I think the first part of didn't sit well with me. I just don't see why that would be considered scummy to acknowledge the question that was designed to have many people answer the question. Maybe its just my thought process when it comes to Town, but I'd like to hear Zyla's logic regarding that post.

I see. What strikes you as particularly town?

After that first one that I felt was a little weird from, the question raised in [post]842 about Hockey initially TR STD felt reasonable to me. Even though its early in the game, it doesn't seem strange to point something like this out it. Still, I think I'll put her as a Town lean for right now.

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As a side note and a bit unrelated, I have no idea what caused that, considering I did put the tags around it.

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Not only that, post #420, #608, and #486 feel like town asking questions about things that they found a little suspicious to me.

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To address #759 and #772, at the time I had a read on Zyla based on early actions that she did with careful questions. However, right now I'm more conflicted with her being Town right now based off what you've said. They bring up some good points to why Zyla could be scum, so its fair to think about them too. So, the answer to your question is no. Not really, but I still think she's a weak Town lean right now, so if you don't agree, that's fine.

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Correction, I meant why Zyla is a bit scummy.

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To address #759 and #772, at the time I had a read on Zyla based on early actions that she did with careful questions. However, right now I'm more conflicted with her being Town right now based off what you've said. They bring up some good points to why Zyla could be scum, so its fair to think about them too. So, the answer to your question is no. Not really, but I still think she's a weak Town lean right now, so if you don't agree, that's fine.

Now try again but with specifics this time. What points do you like? Which points do you disagree with?

I agree with the first point, not really seeing it as something Zyla needed to fuss over early in the game.

That second point doesn't seem really hold up, considering reads are important to this game, and seems pretty reasonable to me to push compared to the last point.

As for the points about defending Luke, I think that might just come down to them defending their Town read, but to me kind of comes off as scummy as a possibility that scum having TRs on another and defending each other, albeit with a weak argument. In fact, it seems like she defends Luke quite a bit throughout this, which seems to be a trend, so I'm a little on the fence about that.

I'm not too sure about this last one however, can you please link to this, I might not have seen it when going over Zyla's ISOs.

Anyways, I'm going to bed, so I'll answer questions tomorrow.

[StrangeMatter]

@Strange, how do you pressure people? I think you accuse me of not pressuring people, but i feel like you're leaving your vote on people without following up much.

Pressure to me is more like you have to force them into making a move, that's interpreted as something normal to have been said. Right now, there's almost nothing on you in particular. And right now, I just don't have much other reason to be on this, besides having reads and voting considering being enough for pressure.

What makes you think 69 and 76 contradict each other? And, don't you do other things instead of voting for pressure?

[StrangeMatter]

First of all, why should I even reveal my role right now. That's a last resort, and right now I'm not going to give scum anything just to survive. Plus, you'll know my role after I'm dead, so go ahead.

[StrangeMatter]

Ggs. Still think you all played into interactions too much.

[StrangeMatter]

Looking back, and I said this in dead PT, what about STD’s lack of questions. That seemed a bit scummy to me.

[StrangeMatter]

To me it seemed oddly informed for all the time he was here.

[StrangeMatter]

Really wish I could’ve gotten Town off me, but oh well.