Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Moongrass]

im willing to go on a limb here and say i dont think nk15 is scum and i wont vote them.

Can you explain what's giving you this feeling?

[jjh927]

I don’t really see anything scummy about Cyrus’s play here.

Single question

Do you think he has really made an effort to place me and believes the arguments he is making?

could you do less crying and more scum hunting gee . its day 1 ofc i havent done much with you thire is no meat to your content all you do is cry meta or state the stump is on my side. as i told you i wanted a reaction i also stated , that i could be completely wrong about you since your the only one to defend your self.

This isn't crying or scumhunting- it's the main reason I think you're scum.

The implication is that you have not made a truthful effort to place me, and I don't think you really believe the arguments you have made. The reason you would make a push in bad faith is that you are aligned with the mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The implication is that you have not made a truthful effort to place me, and I don't think you really believe the arguments you have made. The reason you would make a push in bad faith is that you are aligned with the mafia.

Have you considered that they might just play this way though?

[jjh927]

The implication is that you have not made a truthful effort to place me, and I don't think you really believe the arguments you have made. The reason you would make a push in bad faith is that you are aligned with the mafia.

Have you considered that they might just play this way though?

I'll look through some more meta and get back to you

Interestingly I did just read a scumgame of Cyrus' where he seems to make more sense than he does here and actually uses meta

[nomnomnom]

Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

[nomnomnom]

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

[cyrus62]

bite me there is no way to till if i am scum or town .

[nomnomnom]

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

[cyrus62]

i have only been scum 3 times . my 1st time i did great . 2nd time not so much 3dr time i got a wee bit better. i always roll town though.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Why am I not surprised?

I'm leaning towards Moon being skittish scumworried about losing a buddy instead of town because of this unvote.

A hammer would be a scum claim with a town flip as much as E-1 was mentioned.

[Moongrass]

Wow. It's like that then.

[Moongrass]

The gloves are out sir and neither one is named mercy.

[Moongrass]

Btw I'm down to hammer, just when I'm ready. But you can fall all the way back down for pulling that shade on me.

[House]

Btw I'm down to hammer, just when I'm ready. But you can fall all the way back down for pulling that shade on me.

The point was to apply some pressure

[Moongrass]

Sorry I'm binge watching Empire.

Pedit: yeah because questioning someone intently is equivalent to putting someone to L-1. Get outta here fool.

[House]

Also, outright calling you scum isn't shade.

Implying actions are scummy WITHOUT calling a player scum, that's shade.

[House]

Sorry I'm binge watching Empire.

Pedit: yeah because questioning someone intently is equivalent to putting someone to L-1. Get outta here fool.

Not even close.

There is no equivalent to being one vote away from death.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: House

I let you off when you shaded me talking to DGB, fool me twice though right.

[Moongrass]

Sorry I'm binge watching Empire.

Pedit: yeah because questioning someone intently is equivalent to putting someone to L-1. Get outta here fool.

Not even close.

There is no equivalent to being one vote away from death.

That's the point Dr.

[House]

This is awesome!

Thanks for reinforcing my read.

As long as you felt like you were snowing me, I was town. Anyone who reads our interactions will see that.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

i think calling it "vca" is a little misleading / missing the point - i'm moreso looking at the wagons as a whole rather than any individual votes in the context of knowing someone's alignment

although, i guess that still could be said to be vca, and to be fair i haven't even explained really what i'm thinking

I find wagon analysis useful after a flip, particularly a scum flip. I’m not sure what you think a pre-flip wagon analysis tells us?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

As an example...

If I was scum with jjh, I could even the wagons out right now and mess with the heads of those who analyze wagons without the benefit of context(and I probably would do exactly that), because causing chaos in town benefits a scum wincon and that would give town all sorts of irrelevant things to mull over and draw horrible conclusions from (things like, "scum would never tie their buddy up on wagons, so if House is scum, jjh can't be")

When hammer actually matters, who is on what wagon actually starts getting interesting.

Actually, it might be worth watching who slides OFF wagons as the 48 hour deadline gets near.

That’s the only part I think is actually useful pre-flip.

[Moongrass]

I was all, oh but he can't possibly be scum because he wouldn't bring up having a friend with communication challenges to white knight Cyrus...scum would never sink that low.

I can't let my whole read on you hinge on that when tonally you've been inconsistent. You hedge on every read, drop not so subtle hints that you're town.

I like you, but I'm going to euphemize you worse than the pineapple.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

If Moongrass isn't town then the hydra is obviously town, and I suspected Moongrass a bit more than the hydra. Yet if Moongrass is town the hydra is a scumread.
Although

Hope is less effective than an unvote.

UNVOTE:

I am not so sure why they unvoted here if they are scum.
What made me suspicious of Cyrus is this here:

Cyrus, as an exercise, please could you explain your Gamma Emerald townread

I iso them and I'm on my phone right now so linking the stuff would be hard but from what I see they are actually scum hunting and shorting people unlike you who is just going by meta but I also iso every one and Mia is now my 3dr suspect so when I get back on my phone I'm going to prod and pick on them till I get a reaction I can see why nk15 could be scum as well though so I'm going re read . You mia nk15 and mastina

It's very selective of you to say I'm only using meta and I think you've said it one too many times for me to just ignore you doing so

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

There are 4 players about whom I have talked meta- myself, Mastina, Nancy, and you. Myself because self meta is sometimes persuasive, Mastina because people were and apparently still are scumreading Mastina for things she normally does, Nancy because you cannot separate Nancy from her meta and if you try to then she'll bring you back to that topic, and you because I think when someone is playing to such a low standard of play as to literally read someone's readslist upside down I feel inclined to look at their meta to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on there. I mainly scumread you because it's pretty damn clear to me that you started off posting looking for reasons to scumread me specifically but lack the discretion required to determine believable ones.

VOTE: Cyrus
Let's eliminate this.

Why can’t Moon and us both be town? I don’t understand this.

[cyrus62]

mia why should we trust you are town