Situation Room [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.6

Target	Wagon
Gamma Emerald (5)	FakeGod (91), Bell (95), Hypothermia (134), Qoobee (137), Save The Dragons (195)
Hypothermia (2)	Dannflor (151), GuiltyLion (189)
Dusa (1)	Gamma Emerald (119)
Yuri Gagarin (1)	Solo (181)
Cupcake Butterfly (1)	UNOwen (185)
GuiltyLion (1)	Yuri Gagarin (199)
Not Voting (6)	Bingle, OkaPoka, Cupcake Butterfly, Dusa, DrippingGoofball, LavarManos

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

[Dusa]

bingle town for not tryharding

[Bingle]

Im interested in ur bingle take yuri

not explaining yet

want the bingle himself to turn up

I mean... I've been checking in every so often.

Bingles going to be like why and i want to speed up this interaction u know

Nah, don't really care. Yuri is probably town rn.

[Dusa]

dann y r u so weird this game

I'm trying to be a little more aggressive/assertive than I usually am

Why??

[Bingle]

bingle town for not tryharding

Ah shit, I've been caught for the wrong reasons.

[Dusa]

president dann rolled scum oh no!

vote me

well as mechanical talk has so evidently pointed out this setup is very very hard to win for town without proper leashing, we still need good reads to win, but good reads are not enough. we need good leashes as well as otherwise there is simply too much room for scum to force a win.

HURT: dannflor best i can do

well as mechanical talk has so evidently pointed out this setup is very very hard to win for town without proper leashing, we still need good reads to win, but good reads are not enough. we need good leashes as well as otherwise there is simply too much room for scum to force a win.

do you think it's possible to efficiently get good reads in a game where we aren't allowed to vote?

I feel like you should know such a plan either scum sides the day play or is just doomed to fail

I like this snippet of conversation from both parties.

Dann is trying to find a logical explanation for Oka's lack of initiative, but he's not applying pressure either to shove Oka into an offensive stance or punish Oka for a read he doesn't like.

Dann continuing to discuss his view of the setup strategy is in good faith, and Oka is reading a lot into his votes and what that implies for town later; it reads more cautious rather than self-conscious.

I like this post! It seems easier to make without perfect knowledge, and it doesn't really accomplish any bad guy goals! Maybe the cupcake is a friend..

[Dusa]

GAMMA EMERALD's probably town for an annoyance-vote on DUSA and then openly admitting it's there because he's annoyed at the gimmick, rather than faking a jabbernut reason

Gamma Emerald isn't that bad at being bad! He wouldn't make that mistake! He's experienced enough for at least 11 heat!

[Dusa]

Because hopefully that will make it stop

Okay.

Why should it stop?

Because it’s annoying and will make them harder to read

Okay.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I find it scummy that you voted someone who only expressed a want to vote you and not someone on your wagon who actually went through with it. Voting someone who didn't commit yet feels like a bullying tactic (not in a social manner, mind you, but it is a bit rude) to keep them away.

That, and justifying it like you are is weak.

This is a reachy vote, Gamma's explanations/justifications for why he voted Dusa (to stop the gimmick) came after you directly asked him about it. The last sentence is not clear to me whether you would expect a town!Gamma to have

better

reasons for voting or that a town!Gamma

wouldn't

have justified it. If the former, that's uncharitable given the game just started and Dusa really hasn't given much to work with, and if the latter, that's _extremely_ uncharitable because you were specifically prompting him to justify it.

I also disagree with your argument that it's scummy to vote someone who isn't voting you yet there, but I'm not sure whether that point is relevant. However he did clearly state that he wanted the gimmick to stop, and it feels to me like you're inventing some other motivation for his vote that wasn't there.

VOTE: Hypothermia

I like this post! Why I am I so impressionable! Ohhhh I just want people to like me so bad maybe?!?!? Ahh but I like Hypothermia too?!?!? Mmmm... But is it only because she fed me nectar maybe..

[Dusa]

Yuri have you played with me before? I don't care who you are I just wanna know if you've been in a game with me previously

I played with you before!

[Dannflor]

dann y r u so weird this game

I'm trying to be a little more aggressive/assertive than I usually am

Why??

Because my usual more passive play style doesn’t give the results I want

[Dannflor]

Dusa, a lot of the posts you are liking are… designed to be likable

[Dusa]

Dusa, a lot of the posts you are liking are… designed to be likable

Gahh!! What if it's true?!?!? You are perhaps right that I should be scared! There are traps everywhere!! Fivefold harms!!

I like Hypothermia's last post and I don't think it was designed to be likeable.. but I'm just a maid, I don't think I would be able to tell..

[Bell]

Dusa, a lot of the posts you are liking are… designed to be likable

They do appear to miss the idea that actually, scum want to be town read and are willing to give informed/accurate takes in exchange for it. Though IIOA isn't a thing that seems like a good differential.

[Dusa]

VOTE: Solo
I think this person is bad!
Too many of their posts aren't about people being bad, and the ones that are seem like they could be fake!

[Bell]

I do like Dusa, since the gimmick isn't getting in the way much and they're actively giving takes.

[Dusa]

Dusa, a lot of the posts you are liking are… designed to be likable

They do appear to miss the idea that actually, scum want to be town read and are willing to give informed/accurate takes in exchange for it. Though IIOA isn't a thing that seems like a good differential.

Did you mean IIOA isn't a thing?? Do you dislike IIOA?? Some people don't think it's a good weapon some think it's one of the worst ones and I can't tell which you're saying?!

[Bell]

I don’t think that IIOA is a good differential. That is I don’t think that players that give information over analysis are more likely to be scum than random. They were two separate paragraphs and I goofed.

[UNOwen]

I like this post! It seems easier to make without perfect knowledge, and it doesn't really accomplish any bad guy goals! Maybe the cupcake is a friend..

Disagree. If Oka is scum then he's decided to play into a mechanical approach, so making a point of not voting would go with that. It looks pretty arbitrary to highlight that interaction as AI for him.

VOTE: Solo
I think this person is bad!
Too many of their posts aren't about people being bad, and the ones that are seem like they could be fake!

What are the fake seeming posts you're referring to?

[DrippingGoofball]

The lengthy deliberation about optimal strategies and going back and forth between various angles. Scum can setupspec for sure but it's harder to fake the enthusiasm Oka was showing when he was jotting down all of his thoughts on the setup

What do you think?

Exactly!

[DrippingGoofball]

I like Dusa for town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

I am glad that you too noticed that Bell is a smidge crankier than usual.

[Gamma Emerald]

Default townread bell trust me, if hes scum he historically becomes very obvious and with a setup like this u just gotta put faith

This ^

[Bell]

Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

I am glad that you too noticed that Bell is a smidge crankier than usual.

Huh?

[Bell]

It's the avatar.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alternatively, I guess it could just be scum!Gamma not knowing how to engage with “stronger” players on his wagon yet but that more than anything is where I feel I’d be uncharitable. But it was the thing that pinged me in this game so far.

Take a quick look at my join date and tell me whether you think is valid