Micro 1016 | Newbie Game But Not Really | Town wins

[Lukewarm]

Then talk in the thread.
Just stop talking at me to why I'm scum (not other shit, I don't care if its other shit) That makes no sense regardless of my align though.
All you have done is said what I do and don't do here... Even to the point of saying I don't keep PMs and that I'm lying there, instead of me, actually lying about what a PM says.

It's a circle that I really don't care for and is taking up too many pages where people are just going to lazily say something like T/T and try to write it off which is the opposite of what I want here.

If you want to say reasons for me scum tell them not me.

You're right. Why would I have ever tried to talk to you about why I am suspicious of you. Why should I have ever expected you to engage with that conversation. Why should I have tried to gauge your reaction, or see if you had any kind of defense or response to the things that I was suspicious of. How silly of me.

Clearly your only response/defense is "lol, you think I am suspicious. That must mean you are 100% scum." (Which is still a confusing response from either alignment by the way. I will stop talking to you about it.

@everyone else - I outlined what made me suspicious 593 and 599 in case anyone is interested.

I don't think my vote is moving at this point, because backing down after VFP's response... I would rather flip them, even if it is just spite. Like, their response makes me want to dig my heels in here if anything.

I am down to be flipped tomorrow regardless of how VFP flips, by the way. If I am wrong, then sure - flip me because of this 1v1 nonsense.
If I am right, you should consider the possibility that the original scum team has always been the scum team, and flip me anyways.

[Not_Mafia]

Someone vote Cupcake

[Cupcake Butterfly]

I think Luke/VFP can easily be SvS.

VOTE: VFP

I'm only allowing one victory from a gladiate this game.

If I'm limmed, it will be perfect irony for why town constantly lies, truth gets you limmed.

I can step back and reassess to not tunnel Tris but it is quite tempting.

[VFP]

Just 1 more.

[Pickles]

Woah whatever is happening is crazy.
I got busy yesterday and forgot to check thread before bed.
Definitely gonna need to catch up before voting.
I’ve only read this last pages posts.
Not sure who I would vote for during this stand off.

@VFP are you at E-1 then?

If you’re willing to die for town, that feels townie to me.
Scum would usually be more worried about death.
I’m gonna have to look at Luke and VFP ISOs before deciding.
About to eat some food so I’ll read afterwards.

[VFP]

No I'm at E2.

[VFP]

It's not a ploy either.
Vote me and I'll hammer.

Then speed lim Luke tomorrow as they will self vote too or claimed scum.

I also have a theory where no one is dead.

[Pickles]

No I'm at E2.

Okay good.
I’ve got some time for catch up.
Just gonna say, please don’t lynch yet.
I’ll be back soon.

[Pickles]

No I'm at E2.

Okay good.
I’ve got some time for catch up.
Just gonna say, please don’t lynch yet.
I’ll be back soon.

Damn I did it again...
I’m sorry, I gotta work on the L-word.
Don’t Elim yet please.

[VFP]

I think a lim is better faster than not.
If a re roll happens before hand it just moves scum.

[Pickles]

I think a lim is better faster than not.
If a re roll happens before hand it just moves scum.

See ToS forums it’s the L word because of Town of Salem game.
Like the witch trials IRL.
I’ll get better.

Okay well I’m done eating, but I see what you’re saying.
We don’t want another re-rand at all costs.
But if I’m understanding the vibes right -
Luke has a higher chance of being scum from attitude.
But I haven’t seen the issue that started this 1v1 yet.

If we’re just gonna lynch Luke afterwards, why not do it first?
From you POV VFP - you’re town and Luke is not.
After your flip as town, it would cause their death anyway.
Why would you ever even need to die?

[VFP]

See ToS forums it’s the L word because of Town of Salem game.
Like the witch trials IRL.
I’ll get better.

You're good, people say it by mistake all the time. There's a difference between saying it by accident and intentionally taking a stand or something odd, for me at least.

[VFP]

If we’re just gonna lynch Luke afterwards, why not do it first?
From you POV VFP - you’re town and Luke is not.
After your flip as town, it would cause their death anyway.
Why would you ever even need to die?

I'd prefer a Luke lim first but I'm not really the type of player that doesn't give myself as an option when I feel confident here, since everyone's PoV I could be scum.

There's also the fact I want to see what happens on a lim. I have a thought about a second game further down for the "dead" list and this is why the roles in this game is just irrelevant.

[Pickles]

Hmmm okay I understand what you’re saying.
That’s why I feel like you’re townier for this than Luke.
I’d rather elim Luke, but I dunno what everyone else feels.
I’m gonna just hope for the best and go with the rest of town.
If this is town, we’ll likely need to elim Luke next.
But we need to remember - this 1v1 could be TvT.
Just gonna use night to re-read everything after 2nd re-rand.
Might even read whole thing over to see if people changed vibes.
Say somebody started town, they might be acting different if reranded scum.
And vice versa.

/vote VFP

[tris]

i have a headache

[tris]

i've a bad feeling about this wagon, but i'm having a hard time thikning about anything right now

[Pickles]

i've a bad feeling about this wagon, but i'm having a hard time thikning about anything right now

That’s because I think Luke more likely scum here.
Normally town would be less scared of dying.
And VFP is asking to elim to prove Luke scum.
Whereas Luke is more trying to self preserve by pushing VFP.
Self preservation usually comes from scum.
It can come from townie with good utility though.

[Lukewarm]

i've a bad feeling about this wagon, but i'm having a hard time thikning about anything right now

That’s because I think Luke more likely scum here.
Normally town would be less scared of dying.
And VFP is asking to elim to prove Luke scum.
Whereas Luke is more trying to self preserve by pushing VFP.
Self preservation usually comes from scum.
It can come from townie with good utility though.

I am not sure that this is a very true representation of what happened...

I started pressuring VFP because I had a suspicion. Had nothing to do with self preservation, they were not talking about be at all.

VFP responded by deciding my suspicion on them meant I was 100% scum - which obviously did not make me less suspicion of them. So now we are in a 1v1 to the death for some reason. -- I have given up on this day having any actual discussion about my suspicions, so might as well see it though to the end at this point.

The more I think about it, their response makes no sense to me from either town or scum - which left me confused for a bit, but I no longer have the desire to keep trying to figure it out, because apparently trying to figure out their response is not allowed...

My only concern right at this point is that they might be a jester, given the fact that they 1v1 gladiated FMFT yesterday, and then immediately 1v1 gladiated with me when I had any suspicion on them. But if they are a jester, they can have the win for all I care at this point.

[Pickles]

i've a bad feeling about this wagon, but i'm having a hard time thikning about anything right now

That’s because I think Luke more likely scum here.
Normally town would be less scared of dying.
And VFP is asking to elim to prove Luke scum.
Whereas Luke is more trying to self preserve by pushing VFP.
Self preservation usually comes from scum.
It can come from townie with good utility though.

I am not sure that this is a very true representation of what happened...

I started pressuring VFP because I had a suspicion. Had nothing to do with self preservation, they were not talking about be at all.

VFP responded by deciding my suspicion on them meant I was 100% scum - which obviously did not make me less suspicion of them. So now we are in a 1v1 to the death for some reason. -- I have given up on this day having any actual discussion about my suspicions, so might as well see it though to the end at this point.

The more I think about it, their response makes no sense to me from either town or scum - which left me confused for a bit, but I no longer have the desire to keep trying to figure it out, because apparently trying to figure out their response is not allowed...

My only concern right at this point is that they might be a jester, given the fact that they 1v1 gladiated FMFT yesterday, and then immediately 1v1 gladiated with me when I had any suspicion on them. But if they are a jester, they can have the win for all I care at this point.

Ah okay.
I have admittedly not caught up reading.
Thank for explaining your side of events for me.
VFP didn’t do that.
I’ll keep my vote on VFP and hope that you’ve caught scum.
With VFP reacting as badly as you say, this good elim.
Gonna be back reading entire thread later on.
If the day is still happening, I’ll post reads after.
If day has ended then GLGL

[Lukewarm]

Ah okay.
I have admittedly not caught up reading.
Thank for explaining your side of events for me.
VFP didn’t do that.
I’ll keep my vote on VFP and hope that you’ve caught scum.
With VFP reacting as badly as you say, this good elim.
Gonna be back reading entire thread later on.
If the day is still happening, I’ll post reads after.
If day has ended then GLGL

I mean, I would prefer you read the exchange yourself.

Not sure I am comfortable with you just blindly believing me over VFP if you really have not read any of it :/

But I also I appreciate the vote on VFP, so thanks, I guess?

[tris]

VOTE: pickles you seem way to eager to please people, like you're self conscious that people will get you if you do the wrong thing

[Pickles]

Ah okay.
I have admittedly not caught up reading.
Thank for explaining your side of events for me.
VFP didn’t do that.
I’ll keep my vote on VFP and hope that you’ve caught scum.
With VFP reacting as badly as you say, this good elim.
Gonna be back reading entire thread later on.
If the day is still happening, I’ll post reads after.
If day has ended then GLGL

I mean, I would prefer you read the exchange yourself.

Not sure I am comfortable with you just blindly believing me over VFP if you really have not read any of it :/

But I also I appreciate the vote on VFP, so thanks, I guess?

It’s not that I’m blindly believing you.
It’s because VFP wants it as well.
I’m going to read the exchange, but I’m currently on mobile.
Once I’m back home, I’ll be able to concentrate better.
Then I can determine if your actions seemed town or scum motivated.
Especially if we’ve got the flip from VFP first.
Then if they flip scum - I would say you’d be cleared.
If you’re second guessing your read on VFP, I’ll unvote for now.
But I’ve liked your vibes in the last two re-rands.
They’re different than when you rolled mafia first time.
That’s another reason why I don’t mind elim VFP.
But I do like their lack of self preservation.
That’s generally town indicative.

[Pickles]

VOTE: pickles you seem way to eager to please people, like you're self conscious that people will get you if you do the wrong thing

My self consciousness is from anxiety disorder.
Thanks for noticing mate.
I’ll try to work on that too.
New people scare me and I don’t want to offend anyone.

[Lukewarm]

I still want your vote on VFP.

I just want you to be able to say "I read it and I am voting VFP"

Opening saying in the thread that you are voting that way without having read any of it is a way of keeping absolving yourself of your own vote.

I don't think it will matter in this case, but just in case I am wrong, I don't want you (or anyone really) to be able to walk it all back and say "yeah, I voted for it, but I thought it might be tvt all along"

[Pickles]

I still want your vote on VFP.

I just want you to be able to say "I read it and I am voting VFP"

Opening saying in the thread that you are voting that way without having read any of it is a way of keeping absolving yourself of your own vote.

I don't think it will matter in this case, but just in case I am wrong, I don't want you (or anyone really) to be able to walk it all back and say "yeah, I voted for it, but I thought it might be tvt all along"

I’ve already said it could be TvT in 663 where I voted.
But when I entered thread, I wasn’t going to vote until reading.
VFP mentioned we should vote before another rerand.
And apparently they hope there’s a game after death kek
I have no idea how that would work but seems cool.
The fact that they have no self preservation though- seems townie.
But your vibes were townier far longer than theirs.
From the start of the 1st rerand, I’ve been vibing with your ideas.
So again, I mentioned the possibility of TvT already due to this.
I’ve gotta go for now, I’ll be back to read when I’m home.