Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Marky Mark]

Well if we're going with Enchant is the recruited cult here then it makes a lot of sense that Enchant let T3 know it wasn't actually a hammer so he could react that way then they could come in and say actually it wasn't hammer. Timestamps are around 5m apart too.

But it was Flea with the "hammer" iirc

[Korina]

work vc 2.4 - even though i'm on my laptop:

raya (4, e-1) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka

T3 (2) - raya, dwlee

not voting - anyone not listed, but especially umlaut and flea since they both uv'd since the vc before last

deadline: june 30th @ 14:25 edt, (so about nine days from now, as of writing this)
majority is five since eight are alive

im not v/la currently, but i am at work

[Marky Mark]

And here's the distancing. It's fence sitting

Stating an item of play is not particularly AI is not fence sitting

[T3]

Umlaut/Raya/Dwlee?

[Marky Mark]

The more Raya posts, the more obvious it is that she is fixated on getting T3 elimed regardless of gamestate. She is clearly pushing me harder with her words but has pulled this new theory out of thin air that I am cult member defending CL!T3 to have a reason to keep trying to get the "easier" T3 lim even though it is utterly inconsistent with her posting

just lim this

[Marky Mark]

Umlaut/Raya/Dwlee?

Why Umlaut (seems town af) and why not Enchant?

[Dwlee99]

Unless Raya is CL I'd hammer here as cult.

[Umlaut]

Hi

I still don't really believe Raya is scum but hitting town is probably the second best thing we can do after hitting CL.

That said, 805 and 845 are relatively convincing (at least on the point that the reaction doesn't clear T3)

VOTE: T3

[Umlaut]

Umlaut/Raya/Dwlee?

Why Umlaut (seems town af) and why not Enchant?

I thought T3 was just trying to get my attention here, didn't occur to me he was naming a team, which is it T3?

[Umlaut]

The more Raya posts, the more obvious it is that she is fixated on getting T3 elimed regardless of gamestate. She is clearly pushing me harder with her words but has pulled this new theory out of thin air that I am cult member defending CL!T3 to have a reason to keep trying to get the "easier" T3 lim even though it is utterly inconsistent with her posting

just lim this

Why is fixating on a T3 elim cult behavior? Fixating on eliminating one player you most think is cult leader is exactly what town should be doing here, whereas cult are just as happy to elim pretty much anyone

but

one player.

[Raya36]

Hm, going back to cult making up reasons to scumread me

Utterly subjective

How was that subjective?

I've actually been thinking about my solve a bit and I'm pretty sure what's happening here is I'm right about T3 being the cult leader, so cultist, Marky, is attacking me for made up reasons to take my attention away from T3 since I'm the one pushing T3 the hardest.

Yeah, I'm definitely not pushing you because you're scummy

You haven't made a single point for why I'm scum because I already explained myself and you even said my explanation made sense. Then you started scumreading me for all the same reasons again

Well if we're going with Enchant is the recruited cult here then it makes a lot of sense that Enchant let T3 know it wasn't actually a hammer so he could react that way then they could come in and say actually it wasn't hammer. Timestamps are around 5m apart too.

But it was Flea with the "hammer" iirc

Yeah, that's not what I'm saying though. Enchant saw the "hammer" (someone already called E-1), then let T3 know in the scumchat so he could react that way and then Enchant could swoop in and be like actually that wasn't hammer. "Townslip" secured.

And here's the distancing. It's fence sitting

Stating an item of play is not particularly AI is not fence sitting

You literally gave a point for T3 scum followed by "that doesn't necessarily make T3 scum though"

That's fence sitting

The more Raya posts, the more obvious it is that she is fixated on getting T3 elimed regardless of gamestate. She is clearly pushing me harder with her words but has pulled this new theory out of thin air that I am cult member defending CL!T3 to have a reason to keep trying to get the "easier" T3 lim even though it is utterly inconsistent with her posting

just lim this

Because it makes perfect sense! You pushing me so hard for no reason makes me just feel more like I'm right

[T3]

uThat was naming a team.
With Enchant it's all just WIFOM but his frustration seems genuine.

[T3]

Also, the vc.

[Marky Mark]

The more Raya posts, the more obvious it is that she is fixated on getting T3 elimed regardless of gamestate. She is clearly pushing me harder with her words but has pulled this new theory out of thin air that I am cult member defending CL!T3 to have a reason to keep trying to get the "easier" T3 lim even though it is utterly inconsistent with her posting

just lim this

Why is fixating on a T3 elim cult behavior? Fixating on eliminating one player you most think is cult leader is exactly what town should be doing here, whereas cult are just as happy to elim pretty much anyone

but

one player.

Because Raya's words and posting implies that she views more likely to be scum than T3, but she continues to vote for and look for a T3 elim. She's pulled this story out of nowhere that its somehow because I'm a cult member defending CL!T3 but only when the issue was brought up, not before

[Marky Mark]

Stands to reason its because she's looking for whatever elim she thinks has a decent chance of going through today

[Marky Mark]

How was that subjective?

Because its based on an asumption of Osuka's alignment and whether the wagon is or isnt terrible

[Marky Mark]

You haven't made a single point for why I'm scum because I already explained myself and you even said my explanation made sense. Then you started scumreading me for all the same reasons again

Yet again you completely twist my words out of shape. You explained your reasoning for

some

actions that I queried and that reasoning was logically coherent. That doesn't mean that I think

all

your actions are reasonable - just that particular subset.

[Marky Mark]

You literally gave a point for T3 scum followed by "that doesn't necessarily make T3 scum though"

Post 809. Just read it. I say that T3's reaction is not a townflail. The implication was that it was NAI - it was never a point for T3 scum. I am sick to the teeth of you twisting my words to undermine me as a player and discredit my push on you.

[Marky Mark]

Because it makes perfect sense! You pushing me so hard for no reason makes me just feel more like I'm right

Except for literally all the reasons that I've just given. Like you are literally trvialising/sidelining everything I post today and its just BS. People can make their own minds up

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to bed. Catch you all later.

[Dwlee99]

FMPOV if Raya is evil then someone is bussing her so I don't think she flips cult leader.

[Raya36]

The more Raya posts, the more obvious it is that she is fixated on getting T3 elimed regardless of gamestate. She is clearly pushing me harder with her words but has pulled this new theory out of thin air that I am cult member defending CL!T3 to have a reason to keep trying to get the "easier" T3 lim even though it is utterly inconsistent with her posting

just lim this

Why is fixating on a T3 elim cult behavior? Fixating on eliminating one player you most think is cult leader is exactly what town should be doing here, whereas cult are just as happy to elim pretty much anyone

but

one player.

Because Raya's words and posting implies that she views more likely to be scum than T3, but she continues to vote for and look for a T3 elim. She's pulled this story out of nowhere that its somehow because I'm a cult member defending CL!T3 but only when the issue was brought up, not before

How does it imply that. I don't think you're the CL because of how aggressive you're being and how little your push makes sense. I do think you're cult. I think you're trying to protect T3 who is the CL, so of course my vote is staying there.

How was that subjective?

Because its based on an asumption of Osuka's alignment and whether the wagon is or isnt terrible

Please show me where the osuka wagon is that T3 is referring to.

You haven't made a single point for why I'm scum because I already explained myself and you even said my explanation made sense. Then you started scumreading me for all the same reasons again

Yet again you completely twist my words out of shape. You explained your reasoning for

some

actions that I queried and that reasoning was logically coherent. That doesn't mean that I think

all

your actions are reasonable - just that particular subset.

That covered the main 3 points for your original case. Then even after saying that my defense for those particular points made sense, you still continued to scumread me for those same reasons.

You literally gave a point for T3 scum followed by "that doesn't necessarily make T3 scum though"

Post 809. Just read it. I say that T3's reaction is not a townflail. The implication was that it was NAI - it was never a point for T3 scum. I am sick to the teeth of you twisting my words to undermine me as a player and discredit my push on you.

Given the context, saying that his reaction had 0 fire implies you're stating the reaction was scummy. Then you follow it up with saying it doesn't mean he's scum. My point still stands.

[Korina]

Am I gonna bump a page four times just for a pagetop?

[Korina]

The answer is…

[Korina]

Yes, I am