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[Taco Hemingway]

You posted on d2. You knew that you targeted lucifer.

And the first thing you said wasn't to claim you jailed lucifer.

Where are your softs?

[Zyla]

will the replacement know if they were jailed or not?

they usually know who was targeted, so yes-ish

[Taco Hemingway]

will the replacement know if they were jailed or not?

Nope. They'll just know who they targeted if they're legit town vig

[Shrek]

jail me tonight then

[Dwlee99]

Before doing anything tomorrow unless me or t3 gets another guilty we should wait for Lucifer to get replaced. It sucks we have to wait three days for it but it is necessary

[Shrek]

will the replacement know if they were jailed or not?

Nope. They'll just know who they targeted if they're legit town vig

no i mean will the person who replaced lucifer know if he was jailed n1/2 or whatever

[Taco Hemingway]

Consolidating votes seems like it would make sense at this point, so I thought I'd go through Pav and Kyouko's ISOs to see which one I'd vote, and uh...

And special mention: since Taco asked me about Salsa and I looked at their ISO, I'd say Salsa leans scum for what looks like hard tunneling.

Town
Faria - Is overly aggressive on Taco, but I think that's because she saw something there she legitimately doesn't like. Feels like a scum misplay to go after somebody so hard so early.

I'm sorry, what? These were back to back, and you placed SF in opposite positions for the same reason. What's going on here?

VOTE: Pav

There's almost 200 posts in between those, hardly back to back. Faria's push felt scummy at first but upon further reflection I thought it was townier. Note I said it felt like a scum misplay for her to tunnel like that, but now that I see more of Faria, I don't think she's misplaying, I think that's just her style. We're allowed to change our reads, right?

Also, around that time you were townreading me in 308. But then ... we're allowed to change our reads, right?

Your vote feels opportunistic.

I wasn't paying attention to the post numbers tbh, I'll try and pay more attention to that when ISOing in the future

Dwlee99 - leaning scum on

Tris we are town block now. Okay?

What makes Tris or you towny?

My reasoning is all there Shrek.

... Just to clarify, is this a joke?

Bad ISO

At the time that you posted this, Pav had two posts, and the first few posts in a game tend to be joking, so how is this enough to be a bad ISO?



Pav - slight town-lean, no particular posts stood out


Salsabil is mostly null with a slight town-lean, but then there's this post.

Stop defending your shit logic with shutdowns and instead ellaborate on it or acknowledge its flawed.
And i asked you what the definition of omgus is. Answer it.

I'll do what I want to do, you don't owe me.

Can't believe you're using LAMIST card rn!! So much for playing several games....

I'm not sure what about this particularly fits LAMIST, could you elaborate?

DWLee - I think the manner in which you SR DWLee is similar to how he was SRing Pav, which from a town POV is not a reason to be SRing someone (for doing the same thing you are doing). You seem to have seen a couple of posts you took issue with and ignored the rest. scumreading him off of a few small posts while at the same time claiming it is scummy for him to SR pav off of such a small ISO.

I don't quite understand this, my main issue was that he was specifically using posts that - at least to me - were clearly jokes for his read, and afaik, none of the posts I had mentioned were joking in nature

Pav - If there are no posts that stand out then why is he a townlean?

Mostly gut, but also by standing out I meant posts that stood out for me to comment on

Seansie seems aggressive but not antagonistic, which is good, definitely town-lean

Shrek - Null

Spoiler:

Okay, inasmuch as we can learn anything useful early in the game (I'm dubious, but okay) it's hard not to look with a suspicious eye on everybody going hard at each other right out of the gate.

That list for me right now includes:
Taco
Sean
T3
Shrek probably

why would you turboelim me

that's not a very nice thing to do

Why me = fry me. Caught em

is interesting but then

my thought process behind this soft is that my role is not a power role and it will not hurt town that much if i get nightkilled for saying it. and claiming in the day and having more avenues looked at would be more beneficial than just focusing on me for the rest of it.

is a weird counter. "I'm not a big deal but I'm kind of a big deal?" sounds like "hey town don't eliminate me but also mafia don't NK me." Which is a pretty good place for scum to hang out.

isnt that what most people want though. to not be killed

Irl, yeah, probably. But this is a game, and the second town wins we get magically resurrected and live happily ever after. As town, my focus isn't to stay alive (unless I have a really useful power role), my focus is to get information so that town can locate the people or creatures targeting our livelihoods.

Kyouko - null

T3 - Null, as usual, I have a hard time reading you T3. Let's hope I get better at that over the course of this game

Null reads: T3 I can understand as he is generally difficult to read - but Shrek has had a lot to say already, enough so that I feel like "null" warrants an explanation. Myself, I hadn't really picked up yet, and it's hard to see what I'm referencing in my posts I think. But nobody is really asking me about it.

The null for Shrek just means that I'm reading him both ways and neither is winning over the other

Taco - Null Scum. I do get aggressive plays, but they feel more antagonistic than anything, which for me usually just results in emotional arguments rather than logical ones

Titus - Null Scum

Zyla, your two wallposts are devoid of actual takes. Can you please give thoughts on any people/interactions that have happened thus far?

I like and agree with this post.

This post

would

be fine,

but it's the third one you've made, and the second of my wallposts had more actual game stuff than your ISO

. Come back to me once you've given

your

thoughts on people and interaction.

Tris - Null

Titus - The Titus Nullscum is also hypocritical, like with DWLee, and the latter half is just gross. Discrediting instead of addressing Titus/Seanzie concerns, which happen to be related to the same reason DWLee and I are voting you in the first place. So rather than addressing either accusation or even Seanzie, one of your Townreads' questions about it, you're subtly avoiding by replying to and discrediting Titus rather than Seanzie.

Seanzie was asking for more information on my reads, and I was already in the process of posting them. In 311 I felt that he was considering my posts close enough to an answer, so I didn't directly bring it up. I brought up Titus' post because I felt it was hypocritical, as they hadn't posted much yet either.

Tris - as for Tris, she seems to not really be here still, so this is fine for the time in the game it was posted. What do you think of her now?

Not looking good tbh

Well, first there's 127 which feels LAMIST-ish, and shares nothing on why Tris is town or should think of Dwlee as such

I don't understand the logic behind two joking posts being reason that someone's scummy 194

And when I brought those things up as a reason that I read him as scummy so far, instant OMGUS vote

314 isn't OMGUS. Just because the person you're voting votes you back doesn't make it OMGUS. The vote is explained there and your immediate reaction to it in 315 is acceptance of the reasoning - by omission of denial. If you thought it was OMGUS you would have said it, but you clearly saw he had already answered the question you asked based on the reply you made. Furthermore, you mention the bolded:

VOTE: Zyla
If you were town I don't think you miss literally the next post where I say what about their ISO I didn't like. You selectively quoted it to make it seem like you had more of a point than you did.

You mean 194, where you mention Pav's first two posts, which were obvious jokes?

Like I mentioned in that same sentence?

Here you're even admitting to having read the posts you selectively quoted around, as when you go back you see "the same sentence" is a reference to this (snipped):

At the time that you posted this, Pav had two posts, and the first few posts in a game tend to be joking,

so how is this enough to be a bad ISO

?

The bolded above is the question that is already answered.

There is evidence here that shows that you not only did you see why DWLee was voting Pav - you tried to quote around it to frame his action in a poor light - and hypocritically you use DWLee's same reasoning, which he is scummy for in your eyes, to scumread other players (Titus, and to some extent Dwlee) whom you discredit (Titus)

I was specifically asking about the fact that they were jokes. As far as I'm concerned, the question was never answered until 340

VOTE: Lucifer

where's the vig shot mate?

I feel like with the fact that we don't know the setup, for all we know the kill that went through

was

the vig (doctor, jailkeep, bulletproof town, etc)

You didnt talk about him shooting you here - you talked about him shooting the NK instead

[Zyla]

You posted on d2. You knew that you targeted lucifer.

And the first thing you said wasn't to claim you jailed lucifer.

Where are your softs?

I was planning on using what was said about the lack of vig-kill, but the day ended too quickly

[Shrek]

my poe right now:

zyla > kyoko > titus > lucifer

[Taco Hemingway]

You target between dwlee/t3 tell you to target tonight.

[Zyla]

jail me tonight then

I'd rather not jail someone with a power role, since that'll deny information

will the replacement know if they were jailed or not?

Nope. They'll just know who they targeted if they're legit town vig

no i mean will the person who replaced lucifer know if he was jailed n1/2 or whatever

They'll know who he targeted n1, and that that person didn't die

[Shrek]

i did claim my power role only works on even nights though

[Zyla]

In that case jailing you does nothing

[Dwlee99]

I believe the claim but don't believe the alignment.

[Lucifer9999]

Hey guys! I've been permanently banned since night 2. Thought I should pop in and let you guys know, since none of the moderators let osuka know and it was never announced in the ban announcements.

About 3 months ago I was permanently banned when I signed up to a game in the Newbie Queue and PenquinPower looked into me and realised I had a couple of alt accounts from 2012-2017 (take note I was a young preteen-teenager during this period). Only one of these accounts had actually been used as I signed up to this site a few times and never got around to playing on here as I was busy with life etc. The one account that was used, only played in one game and committed one minor infraction of posting a few bah posts in the game once I was dead. But apparently making mistakes online as a teenager is uncommon and I should be permanently banned for it.

Also, I when I signed up here 3 months ago. I had no idea that me signing up over a new username would be completely frowned upon, when it had been 4 years since I had played on here. Read more at this link: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=86402

[Lucifer9999]

Id also like to add. Ban evansion is not a crime when the ban is unjustified. Just the same as breaking out of prison is not a crime if you are innocent.

[Lucifer9999]

Pretty sure PenquinPower banned me. I hadn't brought up any red flags on LuciferMorningStar and I was only commenting on the two games I was in. I don't think anyone else is autistic enough to look into every player on this site.

[Dwlee99]

You should have messaged Osuka with this, not posted here. I think that the way you've gone about this is uhh bad to say the least and I suggest you stop posting.

[Lucifer9999]

You should have messaged Osuka with this, not posted here. I think that the way you've gone about this is uhh bad to say the least and I suggest you stop posting.

Sticking up for my rights. And everyone should know when corruptions is in play.

[Lucifer9999]

I just thought it would be respectable if I let you guys know, since I've been banned for like 5 days now and I haven't even been prodded

[Zyla]

In that case jailing you does nothing

@Shrek, just to clarify, as I'm not a

Loud

JK, my target doesn't get informed of being jailed, which is hilarious when you think of it in universe, because how would you not know you got thrown in jail

[T3]

So Lucifer is an alt. Got it.

[Shrek]

In that case jailing you does nothing

@Shrek, just to clarify, as I'm not a

Loud

JK, my target doesn't get informed of being jailed, which is hilarious when you think of it in universe, because how would you not know you got thrown in jail

yes, and how very convenient targets arent aware theyre jailed and that you claimed you jailed someone who hadnt been active in a week

[Zyla]

Pretty inconvenient if you ask me, hopefully lucifer's replacement comes and resolves this

[Shrek]

Id also like to add. Ban evansion is not a crime when the ban is unjustified. Just the same as breaking out of prison is not a crime if you are innocent.

breaking out of prison is still a crime even if youre innocent. look it up