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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:31 am

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In post 141, Datisi wrote:it caught me as scum once
hmm yeah it does seem like something scum-you would do.

reading your notes PT's though it seems like you think pretty differently as scum from most people. I feel like this is pretty unusual as a scum tactic. For instance, I talk about mechanics all the time and I never use it as an excuse to avoid content as scum.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:31 am

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In post 149, Umlaut wrote:Haven't finished reading yet but agree with consensus that Skitter is town.
In post 41, T3 wrote:Datisi uses lowercase letters when he's scum.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
that is not a joke, i have used all lowercase in the last like, at least 10 scumgames i have had

why is skitter town?
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:32 am

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In post 148, T3 wrote:The tell. I'll say it in twilight but SS is very very very town to me.
I feel like you should just out it, because I'm already basically confirmed town to you, and I'm quite skeptical that you actually got a sound read on me this early.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:35 am

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In post 150, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 141, Datisi wrote:it caught me as scum once
hmm yeah it does seem like something scum-you would do.

reading your notes PT's though it seems like you think pretty differently as scum from most people. I feel like this is pretty unusual as a scum tactic. For instance, I talk about mechanics all the time and I never use it as an excuse to avoid content as scum.
if we weren't in the middle of a mafia game where you're conftown and i can't pretend to be sorting you by asking "how do you think that i think differently as scum than others?", i would ask that (yes i know that's not a question that would help me sort you, shut up). i know you always talk about mechanics, that's why i would never accuse you of being scum because of that.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 151, Datisi wrote:why is skitter town?
Largely for , seems like legitimate misunderstanding that more likely comes from town as opposed to faking. And her progression regarding your first post, in -> -> -> , also has the feel of a genuine thought process that I think scum are unlikely to try and emulate.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:43 am

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Happy to treat S_S as conftown here, I really don't believe this is some 500IQ strat by the scumteam of exactly {T3, S_S}
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:45 am

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I'm also townreading the trust by T3, not to conftown levels but well above rand town (which is already, what, 7/9 subjectively?)
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:51 am

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In post 127, Datisi wrote:
In post 118, skitter30 wrote:And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?
like ok uhhh this actually bothers me more than i initially thought. like this feels like some sorta bad-faith question, because the answer is obvious - i was one of the only people that posted so far, and arguably had the weirdest entrance.

but like, this is bothering me because it's implying that scum!skitter would need to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me, and i feel like it's also trying to undermine any read on me by implying that i'm wrong for implying that scum!skitter would have to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me when like, i never did that, i just said it generally

idk if i'm getting across what i'm thinking, but i feel like it's implying that i said there's a much bigger level of "planned push" into skitter's og scumlean on me, and then debunking that "planned push", when that was not something i ever actually said. i found her og scumlean "weird" first, and then i thought of "they give a vibe of not wanting me to get townread", but i didn't imply that was her Original Plan when scumleaning me

jesus fuck this is a word salad that is not getting out correctly
does anyone understand what i'm trying to say
Since no one else did that I noticed, I want to say I do understand what you are trying to say: you're suggesting Skitter is taking your suggestion that she tried to prevent people townreading some town player (which just happened to be you, Datisi), and misrepped it as suggesting Skitter tried to prevent people townreading
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:58 am

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At this point "discussing mechanics is something scum are likely to do to look busy" is such a cliché that it is itself an example of safe things scum could say to look busy.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:00 pm

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In post 122, Datisi wrote:i'm not concerned about my own image, i'm concerned about yours. basically, you started off the game calling me scummy for my intro - which by itself made me suspicious of you because i didn't think you can get a scumread on me for that. but maybe you saw something i didn't, so i'm gonna ask you about it to try to figure out if you actually *saw something* or if your read was *made up bullshit*

like, i kinda feel it's disingenuous to compare this to the "(?)" when that was much deeper into the game (where i was townread, but you were also townread, and we were basically playing white flag, and god help me if town!skitter is about to turn on me), while this was like, literally page two (where most reads are pretty much blank slates)

what do you think town!me would be focusing on here?
and /shrug on the vulture take

and because again, i'm decently good at getting myself townread as town, and because you gotta start somewhere, and arguably my intro was the only one / the most weird enough to go after?
i mean, from my (admittedly wrong) pov do you understand why i found your entrance to be scummy at that point?

and i actually don't think it's disingenuous to compare this to the (?) at all, that was the one thing i correctly read you off of last time so why would i *not* pay attention to similar vibes this time?

and idk what town-you *would* be focusing on here so much as what you currently are feels wrong
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:01 pm

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In post 157, Umlaut wrote:
In post 127, Datisi wrote:
In post 118, skitter30 wrote:And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?
like ok uhhh this actually bothers me more than i initially thought. like this feels like some sorta bad-faith question, because the answer is obvious - i was one of the only people that posted so far, and arguably had the weirdest entrance.

but like, this is bothering me because it's implying that scum!skitter would need to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me, and i feel like it's also trying to undermine any read on me by implying that i'm wrong for implying that scum!skitter would have to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me when like, i never did that, i just said it generally

idk if i'm getting across what i'm thinking, but i feel like it's implying that i said there's a much bigger level of "planned push" into skitter's og scumlean on me, and then debunking that "planned push", when that was not something i ever actually said. i found her og scumlean "weird" first, and then i thought of "they give a vibe of not wanting me to get townread", but i didn't imply that was her Original Plan when scumleaning me

jesus fuck this is a word salad that is not getting out correctly
does anyone understand what i'm trying to say
Since no one else did that I noticed, I want to say I do understand what you are trying to say: you're suggesting Skitter is taking your suggestion that she tried to prevent people townreading some town player (which just happened to be you, Datisi), and misrepped it as suggesting Skitter tried to prevent people townreading
Datisi specifically
, as a means of dismissing it.

However, Datisi, you
did
actually say in that "this game is about townies getting correct townreads, and town!me is kinda... good at getting townread?" which contains an implicit suggestion that Skitter's motive would be preventing townreads on you specifically, not just on "some town player." So I don't know that you can fairly call that a misrepresentation.
ok, you managed to translate the first part into english, thank you

my other thoughts were that i *know* i said that i'm good at getting townread and that scum!skitt would like to undermine that. however, i meant it in a "scum!skitt would want to undermine townreads > she saw that i posted a weird intro > might as well start there, as the fact that i'm good at getting townread is *extra motivation* to start with me" way. and i get the feeling she's trying to turn it into me saying "scum!skitt decided pregame that she will undermine Exactly Me > therefore that was her *main motivation* to attack my intro" and that she's trying to debunk *that* version instead of addressing my original one
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:05 pm

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In post 127, Datisi wrote:
In post 118, skitter30 wrote:And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?
like ok uhhh this actually bothers me more than i initially thought. like this feels like some sorta bad-faith question, because the answer is obvious - i was one of the only people that posted so far, and arguably had the weirdest entrance.

but like, this is bothering me because it's implying that scum!skitter would need to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me, and i feel like it's also trying to undermine any read on me by implying that i'm wrong for implying that scum!skitter would have to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me when like, i never did that, i just said it generally

idk if i'm getting across what i'm thinking, but i feel like it's implying that i said there's a much bigger level of "planned push" into skitter's og scumlean on me, and then debunking that "planned push", when that was not something i ever actually said. i found her og scumlean "weird" first, and then i thought of "they give a vibe of not wanting me to get townread", but i didn't imply that was her Original Plan when scumleaning me

jesus fuck this is a word salad that is not getting out correctly
does anyone understand what i'm trying to say
In post 90, Datisi wrote:at first i thought skitter is scummy because her "scumpings" on me felt very much forced,
or like she's making sure i don't start getting townread
?

pedit literally nobody was townreading you at the time i said i was scumreading you so what townreads was i undermining ????
and i kinda feel ike you're trying to ascribe malicious intent that isn't really here?

like i'm not really trying to undermine anything so i can't really agree about which thought process i didn't have because i don't really feel like i did neither ...
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:07 pm

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scum dont win this by undermining townreads

scum win this by getting a townie to trust them

i know cuz ive played as scum in this game
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:10 pm

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In post 159, skitter30 wrote:
In post 122, Datisi wrote:i'm not concerned about my own image, i'm concerned about yours. basically, you started off the game calling me scummy for my intro - which by itself made me suspicious of you because i didn't think you can get a scumread on me for that. but maybe you saw something i didn't, so i'm gonna ask you about it to try to figure out if you actually *saw something* or if your read was *made up bullshit*

like, i kinda feel it's disingenuous to compare this to the "(?)" when that was much deeper into the game (where i was townread, but you were also townread, and we were basically playing white flag, and god help me if town!skitter is about to turn on me), while this was like, literally page two (where most reads are pretty much blank slates)

what do you think town!me would be focusing on here?
and /shrug on the vulture take

and because again, i'm decently good at getting myself townread as town, and because you gotta start somewhere, and arguably my intro was the only one / the most weird enough to go after?
i mean, from my (admittedly wrong) pov do you understand why i found your entrance to be scummy at that point?

and i actually don't think it's disingenuous to compare this to the (?) at all, that was the one thing i correctly read you off of last time so why would i *not* pay attention to similar vibes this time?

and idk what town-you *would* be focusing on here so much as what you currently are feels wrong
yeah i get it now, it's fine

in my mind, it makes sense that scum!me was panicking at the (?), because i kinda was (again, late-ish game, white flag, unable to properly defend myself, etc). i don't feel panicked at all right now, and if i try to think of this from an outside pov, it feels completely *normal* to me to be asking q's about early scumreads on myself. like idk, kinda stakes are much lower atm than they were, and i didn't/don't have much else to read you on, to the point i feel like the situations aren't comparable

and the more i type this the more i feel like this is a pointless argument that will get us nowhere because you've lowkey convinced me that maybe you did see enough similarities btwn the two situations, but i can't just *back out* of this argument now and i don't know how to tell you "yeah maybe you did see Things but like That Is How I Solve Early Game" without looking like i'm flailing and uhh mafia difficult
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:11 pm

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don't really think ss/t3 does this as scum together

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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:12 pm

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i regret opening my mouth, i don't know how to explain why what i said there made sense to me in that moment

pedit: not there quite yet
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:12 pm

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uh we can stop arguign abt this cuz it will probably go in circles but yeah i'm still suspicious of you
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 161, skitter30 wrote:pedit literally nobody was townreading you at the time i said i was scumreading you so what townreads was i undermining ????
like
the future ones
that i have probably managed to kill before they're even born by now but you know
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:21 pm

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In post 161, skitter30 wrote:pedit literally nobody was townreading you at the time i said i was scumreading you so what townreads was i undermining ????
actually like i feel The Vibe again bc to me it feels like it was obvious i was talking about "undermining potential future townreads" as opposed to "undermining current townreads" bc obviously the game was like half a page long

and like this again to me feels like you're taking *that* and responding to *that* bc it's ~easier~ but when i actually type that out it feels not nearly as strong as it did when i actually thought of it and now i'm second guessing and uh

i'm gonna go to sleep
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:23 pm

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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:27 pm

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honestly i think that most of what you're accusing me of is kinda silly/nit-picky, no offense
but night dats we'l talk another time!
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:32 pm

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In post 164, skitter30 wrote:don't really think ss/t3 does this as scum together
From what I know about T3, I think it's plausible that he would do this without asking me.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:51 pm

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Oh good - I can’t really read s_s so that helped.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:51 pm

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Skit looks better from the skit dats back and forth
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:51 pm

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Pooky is still my mason for life.
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