FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over
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Servant Beast Goon
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Servant Beast Goon
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I mean you think I'm very likely scum, so I'm not sure how seriously I can take this statement.In post 1799, Servant Rider wrote:
Why would I be grumpy?In post 1795, Servant Beast wrote:I condescend a lot at people that push me when I'm town though. It's a bad habit and bad play, but I do it frequently enough that I just sit in the "could come from either" camp, camp.
I do think Rider is fairly grumpy even though we're winning though. But I think foreigner or Avenger probably has at least 1 scum in it.
All the biggest threats to my role have been dealt with in some form or another:
-The player that is immune to investigations is conftown
-The strongman scum was eliminated Day 1
-The PT-crashing scum was also eliminated Day 1
-The town roleblocker was eliminated Night 1
My issue is the ridiculousness that is being presented to me by Archer [and potentially Berserker] in preserving Avenger despite him being very likely scum.-
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Servant Archer Goon
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I think I might have over sold how certain I am that Avenger is town. Part of why I tried to walk it back to a more reasonable level in 1771.In post 1776, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Catching up.
My issue with the Avenger-scum hypothesis is that for it to be true, it supposes Titus was doing nothing but bussing on day 1 (she jumped on Avenger in the duel and pushed fairly hard on him), and I'm not sure why that is somehow more plausible than all 3 wagons day 1 being on scum. To dismiss one of those as implausible but not the other seems like questionable logic.
I just think that foreigner makes more sense. Like the two options being presented are:
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To me, option 1 looks like a scum team that has some semblance of a plan. Option 2 looks like a scum team that is all pulling in completely opposite directions.
I don't have a ton of experience with Titus, but from what I have seen, I feel like she would have had some semblance of a plan.
I would go as far as to say that there is already evidence this game that Titus was trying to coordinate plans in the scum chat, when you look at Day 0 and see Moon Cancer, Day 0, jumping on to the Saber 4 Master campaign when Titus thought she could win the master. Then Moon doing a full 180, and calling Saber scum once Titus realized she had lost the master (and that she would probably need to bus if she wanted to regain a footing in the game)
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So yeah, foreigner being scum makes more sense to me.
I would no longer say that scum!Avenger is impossible, but would need to see more evidence for it -- such as foreigner flipping town in order to give me any evidence that a counter wagon was being made by the scum team-
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Servant Berserker Goon
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This feels like a scum postIn post 1766, Servant Rider wrote:
I don't think I could even if I wanted to.In post 1764, Servant Archer wrote:
Rider, please, I am begging you.In post 1760, Servant Rider wrote:or potentially even scum-motivated.
Please try to scum case me right now.
I would actually love to see how you could try to spin that
And it's why I have you as being misguided rather than scum, and thus have kept you out of my elimination pile.
I feel like bad guys tend to try to use this sort of conciliatory tone when trying to work around people who are clearly town-
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Servant Rider Goon
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And yet you still push my scumreads for me.In post 1801, Servant Beast wrote:I mean you think I'm very likely scum, so I'm not sure how seriously I can take this statement.
I don't know if I should really care how seriously you take me.-
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Servant Berserker Goon
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Servant Berserker Goon
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Servant Rider Goon
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Servant Rider Goon
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Servant Beast Goon
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You shouldn't care how seriously I take you.
Hey, I've always voted there first. You just voted right after.
To me, you're not on the table today without something very convincing being thrown at you.
I'm clearly missing something, but why are you gloating about how nothing can stop you now that your archenemy is dead.-
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Servant Beast Goon
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Servant Archer Goon
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Servant Rider Goon
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Yeah, kind of hard to pass up the potential to eliminate a scumread, regardless of who's leading it.In post 1809, Servant Beast wrote:You shouldn't care how seriously I take you.
Hey, I've always voted there first. You just voted right after.
To me, you're not on the table today without something very convincing being thrown at you.
I'm clearly missing something, but why are you gloating about how nothing can stop you now that your archenemy is dead.
I wouldn't say that I'm invincible or anything, but I'm now afforded a fair amount of tranquility with how the first Day played out.-
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Servant Rider Goon
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Says the player defending Avenger.In post 1811, Servant Archer wrote:The real comedy option is for all of Avenger, Rider, Ruler 1, and Ruler 2 to all be town, and this is just a game of "just how many town players can hard defend the scum team"
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Servant Berserker Goon
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How do you look at how Avenger and Foreigner have played and decide that Foreigner trying to snag free for the Moon flip is okay but Avenger claiming Miller isn’t? There’s probably more to the scenario but I feel like Foreigner has done more actively scummy stuff while Avenger is just an easy target.-
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Servant Berserker Goon
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EBWOPIn post 1814, Servant Berserker wrote:How do you look at how Avenger and Foreigner have played and decide that Foreigner trying to snag cred for the Moon flip is okay but Avenger claiming Miller isn’t? There’s probably more to the scenario but I feel like Foreigner has done more actively scummy stuff while Avenger is just an easy target.-
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Servant Archer Goon
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Question for you rider.In post 1813, Servant Rider wrote:
Says the player defending Avenger.In post 1811, Servant Archer wrote:The real comedy option is for all of Avenger, Rider, Ruler 1, and Ruler 2 to all be town, and this is just a game of "just how many town players can hard defend the scum team"
Like....
If we flipped Avenger today, and he flipped town -- where would you want to flip tomorrow?-
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Servant Rider Goon
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How is someone snagging or not snagging credit for a Moon Cancer flip and Avenger claiming Miller even remotely comparable? Those are two completely different things.
How about this? If no one claims a valid role-related reason to believe the Miller claim, we eliminate Avenger today. If someone does, we do what you want [which I presume is eliminating Foreigner].
As far as Foreigner is concerned, I find it more believable that he was convinced he was the scum counterwagon to Moon Cancer and didn't think Saber-scum would be bussing there. And I don't have any issue with the way he pushed Avenger or Moon Cancer Day 1. I also find it unlikely for scum to just double-up and push a wagon like that [even if it were intended to be a bus wagon] by voting back-to-back like that.-
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Servant Rider Goon
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Beast.In post 1816, Servant Archer wrote:If we flipped Avenger today, and he flipped town -- where would you want to flip tomorrow?
But if we flipped Avenger and he flipped town, I would be shocked that anyone would care about what I wanted to eliminate tomorrow.-
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Servant Shielder Goon
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Servant Archer Goon
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What kind of reason could you possibly be fishing for?In post 1817, Servant Rider wrote:How about this? If no one claims a valid role-related reason to believe the Miller claim, we eliminate Avenger today. If someone does, we do what you want [which I presume is eliminating Foreigner].
We already have evidence that there are investigative roles in this game, simply from the fact that we have a confirmed townie who is immune to investigations.-
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Servant Shielder Goon
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Servant Archer Goon
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Servant Rider Goon
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What would be the issue with Titus bussing all her partners on Day 1? Her goal was to be elected and be removed from the game.In post 1776, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Catching up.
My issue with the Avenger-scum hypothesis is that for it to be true, it supposes Titus was doing nothing but bussing on day 1 (she jumped on Avenger in the duel and pushed fairly hard on him), and I'm not sure why that is somehow more plausible than all 3 wagons day 1 being on scum. To dismiss one of those as implausible but not the other seems like questionable logic.
Do you think it's more likely that town will just listen to all her reads after they know she was scum all along, or question the validity of her reads?
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