Open 819 | The Mindmeld Theory | Postgame

[Datisi]

i'm not, i have no clue how to read him
i can agree the stuff he's posted is scummy but i also know he's a Wacky Town Player so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about

Ig i'm having a hard time understanding why you arent just going: yeah he's scummy i think he's scum

because his behaviour is not enough for me to think he's scum

[skitter30]

I mean ok, what is town-him doing here?

[Datisi]

i don't know and i don't townread him. and gun-to-head, i'd say he's scum. but like, i don't have anywhere near enough confidence level that he's scum to declare a scumread

why is "wacky untrustworthy null" such a problematic category?

[skitter30]

Because he did scummy things, which you acknowledge, but are refusing to call him scum, as i'm already suspicious of you/him

[skitter30]

*and i'm already suspicious of you/him

[Datisi]

i'm refusing to call him scum because i don't scumread him, sure, but i'm effectively treating him as a scumread - i said i don't wanna pair with him, and i included him in my lowest two reads of the game. so like, why are the semantics a problem here? why is me saying "i don't have a confident enough scumread on t3 to declare him a scumread" such an issue? because i'm his partner and i'm that desperate to leave an avenue open to be able to more easily call him town later on?

[skitter30]

Uh yeah i'm kinda worried you're trying to walk that exact line

[Datisi]

i really wanted to say "oh come on that's bullshit, i can easily call my partner scum, and then re-evaluate when needed based on whatever ends up happening in the game" because like, i've done that before, and i also really wanted to say that you're scum because this read feels forced, but when i reread 320 i can actually kind of see town!you come to that conclusion so *i guess*

gonna be one of those games

[skitter30]

I'm sad that i dont have to vote >.>
Dats uh yeah i think this whole exchange from u is scummy

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What do people think of having ss trust first?

[Datisi]

i have one utter shit of a towngame a year, and this is the one

what do you mean by having s_s trust first? to try to "townclear" other players?

[skitter30]

If he's town we want him to leave, right? Am i still missing something abt the setup?

We dont want scum to leave
Therefore we want town to leave
Ss is town or scum with t3

It seems someejat obvious to me that ss/consensus townread should be the first pair unless we want to go for the hero solve?

[Datisi]

oh, when you said "we want s_s to trust first", i thought it was "we want s_s to offer his trust to someone first", not "we want him out of the game early"

i think him leaving early is a good idea. not 100% with whom, though

[PenguinPower]

not 100% with whom, though

[Almost50]

How about we all try to TRUST each other (not the mechanic..like really have faith in each other)? I -of course mean the TOWN-ALIGNED players here (and I can foresee someone asking "how do I know everyone else's alignment" which would be a bad interpretation of what I'm saying, so...)

Let's first vote (yes, VOTE( for our towniest reads. Like, I'd vote Vulture & PP. Then we count the votes and see which players have the highest votes. Then the highest player states their top two players they can read well. NOT their top TRs, and NOT their preferred pairing.. the two players they can READ well (might be required to provide a record of some kind). Then they tell us their read on these particular two. This way we know where everybody stands with some reasoning. Like, I TR X because I know how to read X (in my case, my TR on Vulture would be voided although he is my top TR because I do NOT have a record to show I can read him with precision. However, my read on PP should be accounted for because I do have a good -lucky - record reading him).

Prhaps when we've done all that we'd have a much better idea of how to move on than trying to play this individually (as we always do)

So, I'll hold the record:

A50: Vulture + PP

Not voting: Datisi/Ich Troje/PenguinPower/PookyTheMagicalBear/skitter30/Something_Smart/T3/Umlaut/Vulture

VC:

PP (1)
Vulture (1)

[skitter30]

Penguin: having Good Town Vibes from him
Ss: either conftown or scum with t3

A50, ich, vulture, pooky i have townvibes to some degree or another but not enuf that i would trust them rn

[Datisi]

a50, why do you townread vulture so hard?

[PenguinPower]

ahem

[Datisi]

what?

[Vulture]

Hefty town energy I carry.

[PenguinPower]

what?

[Datisi]

i *understand* the townread on you >_>

[PenguinPower]

mmm

[Ich Troje]

How about we all try to TRUST each other (not the mechanic..like really have faith in each other)? I -of course mean the TOWN-ALIGNED players here (and I can foresee someone asking "how do I know everyone else's alignment" which would be a bad interpretation of what I'm saying, so...)

Let's first vote (yes, VOTE( for our towniest reads. Like, I'd vote Vulture & PP. Then we count the votes and see which players have the highest votes. Then the highest player states their top two players they can read well. NOT their top TRs, and NOT their preferred pairing.. the two players they can READ well (might be required to provide a record of some kind). Then they tell us their read on these particular two. This way we know where everybody stands with some reasoning. Like, I TR X because I know how to read X (in my case, my TR on Vulture would be voided although he is my top TR because I do NOT have a record to show I can read him with precision. However, my read on PP should be accounted for because I do have a good -lucky - record reading him).

Prhaps when we've done all that we'd have a much better idea of how to move on than trying to play this individually (as we always do)

So, I'll hold the record:

A50: Vulture + PP

Not voting: Datisi/Ich Troje/PenguinPower/PookyTheMagicalBear/skitter30/Something_Smart/T3/Umlaut/Vulture

VC:

PP (1)
Vulture (1)

i dont understand quite whats going on here but this is town a50 im pretty sure based on complexity lmao

[Ich Troje]

also im sick asf rn, brain not working too well.

[Ich Troje]

I'm not seeing why people are townreading PP here because it doesn't feel like they've really reached out of either their town or scumrange here. While I *do* see traits I've seen from town PP before I don't think they should be first choice yeeted here because thus far I don't see any real complexity coming from the slot.