Situation Room [Game Over!]

[FakeGod]

Scum team's easiest route to win seems to be just making sure being on the winning wagon each execute.

My instinct says we should limit number of people on each winning wagon, and letting them time out for a plurality execute.

[FakeGod]

this seems like a lot of words to not play the game

you know what? I agree

I'm here to kill some scum so let's get going

[FakeGod]

im legit so hyped rn like ive never been so excited to lose omg omg omg omg omg

Wut

VOTE: FakeGod
I don’t think I’ve seen you as a player ever, this’ll be new for me!

we kill this first

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[FakeGod]

dang this setup is weird af

you want to get on the winning wagon and PARK there

[FakeGod]

hmm but bingle who cares if u are in this game, i was citing the great jingle who has absolutely no relation to this... bingle creature

he brings the cool and the muscle

[FakeGod]

Bell is scum.

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

Also, I don't like Cupcake. Or Solo? I dunno.

One of those two reminds me of how I would play this setup as scum.

[FakeGod]

I am glad that you too noticed that Bell is a smidge crankier than usual.

Give me the word. My body is ready.

[FakeGod]

I was gonna yell at Dusa but damn

this is pretty obviously an experienced player

[FakeGod]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: fakegod
I do feel like he has a bad vibe but I'm definitely not certain about it

-

Also, I don't like Cupcake. Or Solo? I dunno.

One of those two reminds me of how I would play this setup as scum.

VOTE: FakeGod

-

Willing to execute Bell on this alone.

I’d like to think that fakegod is plotting. For good or Ill who can say?

-
I don't know man

These games are so predictable now

[FakeGod]

Good sir, I merely implied that I knew what was going to happen. I see it in all the games I run.

Player A throws shade on a player B. Player B returns fire. Doesn't matter if they are town or scum.

[FakeGod]

No reaction from Cupcake

I think i detect enough enthusiasm from Oka to put him as town

Which means my reads really closely mirror DGB's

DGB, you still consider yourself stronger in lategame?

[FakeGod]

cupcake legit do u have negative feelings on anyone

yeah this was what I thought was weird

I definitely remember poking 4 people, but I only got 3 responses

[FakeGod]

How do people read Gamma Emerald and Dannfloor?

who dafuq are you

[FakeGod]

No idea what that means, but hey, I need a way to apply large quantities of votes on people at moment's notice.

are you interested

[FakeGod]

I don't get all these UNOWEN townreads. OWEN ISO looks like not much of nothing much.

Lavar looks even more nonexistent.

VOTE: LavarManos

[FakeGod]

Add this Yuri Gagarin fellow to the pile.

[FakeGod]

I'm kinda disappointed by the vote on someone who isn't here versus any number of slots you could pressure instead

I'm going to show you exactly how you pressure someone who isn't here with votes

[FakeGod]

I don't care much about reads on Day 1; I'm just gonna continue to skim and pour whatever's in my mind onto the screen

I hope day 1 execution is random as possible, but we have to slightly care who's on the winning wagon

also players who rubber stamp a bunch of townreads to others and hoping to get townread back makes me sick

[FakeGod]

call out their NAMES fakegod

why would I

[FakeGod]

ok I'll bite

what the hell does "performative" mean

[FakeGod]

6th neighborhood shoots first, right?

Lone 6th sounds like an awesome job

[FakeGod]

I would trust Yuri Gagarin with lone 6th

[FakeGod]

What is townie about this thought?

alright listen up

you ain't saying much, and much of what you are saying are just filler stuff

you can salvage this by bringing me a dead scum soonish

[FakeGod]

It's interesting that Fakegod shifted his opinion of Yuri from 422 to 527 (I think this is good). I thought Fakegod was a little suspicious before because he didn't seem to be scumhunting.

I think you're scum.

[FakeGod]

jesus christ

[FakeGod]

Anyway, if we're talking about responses that make people feel unwelcome, how about FakeGod voting my expression of excitement at getting to play with him? That comes off as a distinct "go fuck yourself" to me, how about you?

you voted me, I voted you back

apparently by doing so I told you to "go fuck yourself" and it made you feel unwelcome, and now you're throwing a tantrum

this be a game of mafia; you do realize how ridiculous you're being right now

[FakeGod]

Do you have no concept of time? Do you not realize how much time existed between your vote and mine? Why are you trying to assert it was in direct response to your vote?
and I don't believe you had anything to say when I had this reaction in SFA so why are you trying to call me out like this now?

no, you're whining that I voted you

you got pissed and voted me, then called me out in 594 telling everyone I told you to go fuck yourself

[FakeGod]

I'd compare FG to mold in a different manner

you randomly called me out for telling you to go fuck yourself when all I did was VOTE you and now you're just casually throwing insults at me?

I don't think I'm going to enjoy this game after all.

[FakeGod]

Depressed about this game.

I'll just do whatever is convenient for the town. UNVOTE:

[FakeGod]

Gamma scumflip will probably energize me but I have no idea if that's going to happen or is even possible.

[FakeGod]

You know how you get into a fight with a player and every time you return to thread, that's all you see?

[FakeGod]

I like Yuri

He seem gung ho to me

A kindred soul

[FakeGod]

in the interest of backing up Bingle and his muscle, I will vote VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly

[FakeGod]

VOTE: Yuri
All his posts on this page make equal sense if he is bad!

Have you read Cupcake's posts on the same page?

[FakeGod]

I would murder:

FG
GuiltyLion
CB
Lavar

right now if any of them were L-1.

No you wouldn't you Binglehead

you'd want to make sure the first 8 votes are from people you want in the 1st neighborhood

[FakeGod]

I thought Gamma got bunch of town cred from when we fought

what happened

[FakeGod]

Bingle/Dusa/Bell/UNOwen/Dann feels like a solid town core to me.

This looks pretty good actually

[FakeGod]

i dont like any vote onto a wagon with momentum from someone who is self-proclaiming that they are struggling to keep up

how does someone having trouble to keep up justify you suddenly wanting to ally with a guy you were trying to kill a moment ago

if you thought Yuri was worth executing, how does someone else's lack of activity change Yuri's reads lol

no idea if Yuri or gamma are scum, but your vote hop makes no sense to me

[FakeGod]

are you asking me why im willing to work together with a scumread to lim a bigger scumread?

yea

this doesn't make any sense to me

[FakeGod]

hmm

actually

maybe this is fine because i feel like the world of guilty!scum has just tmi'd gamma anyways here
VOTE: gamma

wtf lol

weren't you just gonna ally with someone you thought was scum to start a counterwagon to gamma

[FakeGod]

lol titus worrying about quickhammers in this playerlist

[FakeGod]

if anyone quickhammers in this game, I absolutely guarantee they will not survive the following day

[FakeGod]

My motivation isnt to cw or anything like that

I just want to advance my wincon.

these kind of weird logic leaps tend to come from town if anything lol

[FakeGod]

Another game of me being correctly sorted day 1 by the entire playerlist and even scum won’t contradict it.
I guess I’m useless now according to qoobee

I think you're scum now

[FakeGod]

looks like we're set

I'm guessing we need to rearrange wagon comp

[FakeGod]

GuiltyLion gives me confidence

I enjoy reading his posts

[FakeGod]

Titus, you think gamma's scum?

why are you delaying the execute

[FakeGod]

Because people wanted to arrange the hood. I disagree with it but I am outvoted. Hammering to get myself on the hood is anti-town.

I think it's pro-town to get yourself on the neighborhood if you are town.

I just don't want Yuri on the wagon. I want him to be the lone 6th neighborhood.

[FakeGod]

eh you are right

we'll just have to execute him tomorrow I suppose

[FakeGod]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[FakeGod]

Dusa, would you like to dance?

[FakeGod]

I think Gamma trying to skeevy his way onto CB wagon in D1 indicates CB town.

[FakeGod]

Both Solo and A50 (his replacement) defended Gamma.

This slot is where I want to execute today.

VOTE: Almost50

[FakeGod]

Yuri, Oka, come vote A50 with me

[FakeGod]

Let's take him down

[FakeGod]

VOTE: Bingle

Dusa you know what to do.

you wanna execute Bingle first?

I think A50 slot is fairly slam dunk from where I'm standing

[FakeGod]

Can someone explain the A50 wagon? I can't see why anyone would vote there over cupcake.

Solo defended Gamma. A50 also defended Gamma. Gamma was scum.

It seems unlikely for two unconnected town aligned players to make exact same mistake.

I think the slot is scum and they were trying to defend their teammate.

[FakeGod]

I firmly believe that Gamma's 1123 and leading up to it came from scum trying to give bs reasons to push a town (CB).

[FakeGod]

Almost50, you seem to be under a misunderstanding that we need your self-vote to execute you.

Also, you are lamenting your inaccurate reads, but also demanding that people follow them.

[FakeGod]

but I'm vaguely okay with his townreads list for now.

dude... his scum/null list is literally the list of people who are voting him

[FakeGod]

no clue

[FakeGod]

It should be noted that besides me, I don’t see anyone defending A50.

are you blind

bingle's defending him like a mad man

Titus's trying to derail the shit out of it too

[FakeGod]

alright I've read the CB stuff and I'm down to get rid of him too

we can do it tomorrow

[FakeGod]

Most curious about the scumreads rn

I saw this while going through Gamma ISO and I thought Lavar was town because of this post

[FakeGod]

Votecount 2.10

Target	Wagon
Almost50 (4)	FakeGod (1797), Yuri Gagarin (1803), Dusa (1845), UNOwen (1847)

VOTE: A50

FG IS SCUM. T3 IS SCUM. CB "maybe" Scum.

That leaves me with the null leftovers: Dusa, UN & Lavar

yeah right...

[FakeGod]

Current SRs (based on a special theory): Gamma, Bell, T3, FG, CB

bro from your first scum reads, I'm the only one voting you

I don't even know what you're saying

[FakeGod]

Combining all above I say if I'm on my own wagon I am more likely to deny a scumster being on it.

you were offering to self-vote to accomplish some kind of sui pact

now apparently it's a pro-town move to self-vote cuz it denies scumsters?

what kind of moonlogic is this? why were you even offering your self-vote for sale when it was a pro-town move all along???

[FakeGod]

hmm ok

[FakeGod]

UNVOTE:

[FakeGod]

so you think Gamma was bussing here

VOTE: cupcake butterfly
got townpings from Fenrir in some posts I saw quoted by A50, and I want in on CB's game so I'm moving there

[FakeGod]

A50's 1969 to Bingle (who I have down as scum) didn't feel like scum talking to scum to me

[FakeGod]

no idea

this little monkey pissed me off, so I'm going to go through every one of his quotes and respond

[FakeGod]

1- Because it shut down the conversation preemptively?
2- Because Titus specifically asked for time to catch up in the next few hours?
3- Because it looks like Scum joining the hood to specifically deny Town (Titus) from being on it, thus decreasing Town votes within the hood by one and increasing Scum votes by one?
4- ALL ABOVE??

1. Katsuki shown me in many games I modded how after a certain point, discussion need to be curtailed as it is not productive.
2. Titus catching up with Gamma slot flipped is a much more efficient use of her time. Besides, I wasn't impressed with her posts at that point in time.
3. At that point, I have been waiting to see if any other player seemed eager to join the hood and no one has presented themselves so far. I decided that it wasn't going to happen and decided to put myself, someone who I know is town, on the first neighborhood, thus decreasing the Scum votes by one and increasing Town votes by one.
4. All of the above.

Scum team's easiest route to win seems to be just making sure being on the winning wagon each execute.

This was the VERY FIRST LINE FG posted in this thread. And what does he do?? HAMMER THE INEVITABLE WAGON!

I had many other ways of being on that wagon that were much less flashy than a 24 hr+ delayed quickhammer, I assure you.

My instinct says we should limit number of people on each winning wagon, and letting them time out for a plurality execute.

Now this was his SECOND LINE, and it came WITHING THE BLOODY SAME POST AS ABOVE.

And what does he do?? He HAMMERS rather than let it "time out for a plurality execute".

Are you blind??

I see that you intentionally left my next post in which I specifically says I'm not going to be doing that this game. 90

Next:

im legit so hyped rn like ive never been so excited to lose omg omg omg omg omg

Wut

VOTE: FakeGod
I don’t think I’ve seen you as a player ever, this’ll be new for me!

we kill this first

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This a bloody standard distancing maneuver early game (and is befitting of Gamma's playstyle). It's almost as if they had neon letters saying "Hey' we're NOT partners, and here's a proof"

I have played a very transparent game. I have no clue what Gamma Emerald was doing, but I wasn't happy getting voted and responded back in kind.

dang this setup is weird af

you want to get on the winning wagon and PARK there

Give me a break! Is he coaching Scum or educating the Town here? And -assuming the best intentions- what does it even mean to find the winning wagon and park there? How does one know what the winning wagon beforehand?

If I'm coaching scum, why am I doing it in main thread?

It's exactly what it is - a comment saying how weird the setup is because it encourages players to jump on the winning wagon and votepark there.

Good sir, I merely implied that I knew what was going to happen. I see it in all the games I run.

Player A throws shade on a player B. Player B returns fire. Doesn't matter if they are town or scum.

This here post actually contradicts how he was whining about my scum and null reads being my voters, Even though I proved it a fake and misleading claim to begin with, his own post early game proves it's a bad argument from his own PoV, so why did he use it against me?

I didn't understand your post until you posted it again.

Now, I understand that you were providing proof that you sorted them before they voted you, and it makes sense what you were saying.

6th neighborhood shoots first, right?

Lone 6th sounds like an awesome job

Cheap shot, I know, but does an experienced mod as FG not read the setup?? Or is this a poor attempt to fake a slip? (He didn't know, so he must be Town, because if scum it would have been pointed out to him in the Scum PT)

I don't think you realized, but when I'm posting without periods, I'm generally being sarcastic.

Oh, I also forgot: FG removed his vote off Gamma as the STD wagon started to gain attraction.

I was depressed from fighting with Gamma. You'll see from that time period a decrease in my post count.

Gamma scumflip will probably energize me but I have no idea if that's going to happen or is even possible.

He had just unvoted Lanos, so why isn't he trying to reignite the Gamma wagon here? Why leave his vote Idle at this point?

Why are you surprised? I have no clue if Gamma is even scum, so there's no point flipping him. I think you misunderstand my post.

Bingle/Dusa/Bell/UNOwen/Dann feels like a solid town core to me.

This looks pretty good actually

And now he's buddying you too, No wonder you like him @GL

Like, if I went: this GL guy has pretty good reads and a charming personality, would that make you happy? Guess what? It ain't gonna happen. I don't kiss ass to be TR'd. Not my style.

1220 is more siding with GL to get on his good side. Shameless.

I'm not sure how you expect me to respond here. I thought the townblock looked okay, so I said so.

lol titus worrying about quickhammers in this playerlist

Shouldn't she??????

if anyone quickhammers in this game, I absolutely guarantee they will not survive the following day

I thought I brought this up before, but there you go again

She shouldn't worry because this playerlist has too many people who would "do the right thing". For example, if someone lied about a role (if this setup was closed) and was later caught, I would suspect they would be executed by this playerlist even if the person was not necessarily a "good" execute.

My quickhammer was much more controlled and measured. I waited to see if any of the others were planning on jumping on the wagon first (and to see if anyone was willing to give up their spot for someone else). I gave ample time to see if other players had major disagreements that needed to be resolved, or if we were waiting on something to happen. In fact, you yourself said you were ready to hammer. A quickhammer like this curtails useless discussion time and gets results. Please do not group my quickhammer with other trashy quickhammers.

Titus, you think gamma's scum?

why are you delaying the execute

This here doesn't go with the second line of his first post quoted at the top of this post of mine.

Already addressed.

Now check this progression:

6th neighborhood shoots first, right?

Lone 6th sounds like an awesome job

I would trust Yuri Gagarin with lone 6th

I just don't want Yuri on the wagon. I want him to be the lone 6th neighborhood.

eh you are right

we'll just have to execute him tomorrow I suppose

How do you go from trusting someone to be the lone player in hood to wanting to lim him the next day in one go??

It should be pretty clear that I don't think having a random person in a 6th neighborhood by himself is a good idea. Relegating someone to that position is basically assigning death to that someone.

I like Yuri. His anti-mechanic approach and gung-ho style really scratches that spot that itches. Shame my townread isn't very strong on him.

I'll consider hammering tonight if everyone says their piece.

Yet less than 32 minutes he does this:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why deny "everyone from saying their piece" as Titus had requested??

Because I already waited and no useful discussion has occurred. Everyone has already said their piece. I know because I waited and watched.

Because I didn't have a very high opinion of Titus from her posts so far and I didn't think her getting "caught up" was going to do anything useful. Sadly, she has not changed much since, although, Hypothermia seemed somewhat town from what I remember from rereads.

[FakeGod]

Your plays remind me of when I first started mafia.

Inaccurate reads, long quotes chains with interjected narration, and with tendency to do stupid life-gambits instead of defending yourself.

Thank whichever deity you praise that as of this moment, I think you're more likely to be some kind of town thing, than a scum player.

[FakeGod]

I do believe in vigging bad town.

You are currently a demonstrably a bad town.

(if you are town, which sadly I think you are)

Your predecessor had Gamma, a flipped scum, as a consistent town read. (311 , 374, 611, and 619) You yourself had him as a townread and called votes on him bad and complained of how fast his wagon was growing. (1005, 1206, 1207) It wasn't until 1403 that you suddenly magically had him on your scum read, after Gamma hit E-1 in VC 1.37. You and your predecessor literally and consistently defended a slot that has been proven to be scum. If that is not the definition of a bad town, then I don't know what is.

[FakeGod]

Ah! The good old trick of reverting to discrediting the subject. Nice work, buddy. Really nice work.

I'm quote walling you back.

Don't you dare move.

[FakeGod]

1. How come you said the exact opposite in your first post then?
2. And you decided that 32 minutes after she said she would hammer if everyone had said their piece?
3. Again, TITUS did. Maybe not "eager" but she expressed interest.

1. Because I was exploring how a town may use the mechanics to their advantage in this setup. It was before I decided to play without mechanics advantage in 90. Why do you not understand this?
2 &3. I much prefer to have MYSELF, a KNOWN TOWN PLAYER TO ME, on the neighborhood than Titus. Why do you not understand this?

Now how does that say you're "not going to be doing that this game"?

Dannflor LITERALLY responded to my 71 saying how it's going to be unfun. I agreed with him in my post 90. I literally changed my 'scholarly' wordstyle to less punctuated more 'wild' style. I'm saying to Dannflor that let's not do what I proposed, because it is not going to be fun. Instead, we are going to beat up scum the old fashioned way. I don't understand how you can misunderstand this.

You got pissed over ONE VOTE? One RVS vote even???

Look at what my vote did to Gamma.

One RVS vote can be everything. You cannot deny it.

Again: How does one know what the winning wagon is beforehand?

How do you tell if a wagon is going to win? Do I look like a psychic to you? It means the setup encourages players to jump on big wagons and stick to them. What the hell did you think it meant?

Not the point now. The point now is: EVEN ASSUMING that it was an OMGUS readlist, why did you push it as scum indicative when you clearly hold the position that it's NAI?

You keep assuming things. The reason I brought it up was to show that you were predictable. Ordinary. Typical. Obvious. Your reads were generated simply based on who was on and off your wagon, and therefore it's worthless to look at.

My reason for scumreading your slot is the fact that you and your predecessor placed Gamma as a town read, very consistently. See my 1797.

So why was I sus for not joining the wagon on Gamma?? I even pointed out I didn't vote Gamma after I declared I SR them because Bingle instructed me not to.

Again, your slot has been acting very anti-town. I've posted the posts above showing where and how you and your predecessor was townreading a flipped scum slot. At the point where your magical read list suddenly showed Gamma scum, the execute was already inevitable.

In fact, you yourself said you were ready to hammer.

No, I didn't. Can you quote me stating I was ready to hammer Gamma??

My post should say ready "for" hammer. The post is 1417. You will see that I'm right.

[FakeGod]

Thoughts like this make me sometimes hate being town. I'm at a disadvantage because of who I am. If I was someone else, you'd let me catch up.

Thousand apologies. I did not mean to damage or injure, but my rage gives me very little vocabulary and patience to work with.

[FakeGod]

To be precise: I called DUSA's vote on Gamma bad. I didn't call any of the other 5 votes -at the time- bad. I did express concern about the speed of the wagon. I didn't say I TR'd Gamma.

If you are calling a vote on Gamma bad, then how the heck is it not defending Gamma?

Same thing about the wagon. If you are expressing concern about the speed of the wagon, what the heck could it mean except that you think something was fishy about the wagon (LIKE MAYBE BUNCH OF SCUM PLAYERS WERE ON IT HMM?)????

[FakeGod]

VOTE: T3

@DGB: Sorry, but this wagon is a no go for today. Town will eventually come to its senses (or lose the game for not doing so)

If you think I'm scum, step up and try to get me executed.

You don't get to back away, vote something else, then make sideway comments about how "oh you'll see" and "town will lose for not catching this".

[FakeGod]

This was me saying: "Here's me not hammering". I was showing that I was online, not avoiding the thread, but wasn't going to lay the hammer.

Yes, but you were READY for someone to, correct?

You had no more useful discussion to give. You were READY for the HAMMER to END THE DAY.

[FakeGod]

Now that's a first!!

Don't you think I'm scum? Come on, now. Don't go skipping around.

Place your vote on me. Let the world know how my actions had scum motivations. Show the town why I have to be scum.

I've shown you my reasonings. I've told you why I voted you. I've told you why you were wrong.

Now it's your turn to do the same.

[FakeGod]

How is GuiltyLion supposed to know how much of the game you have already read?

You are replacing in, and there was already much content generated.

He caught you saying you Townread Gamma, and he provided you proof.

Are you still gonna say you didn't townread Gamma?

[FakeGod]

*Monkey fart noise*

I see that you've lost the will to continue. Mafia is an exhausting game, admittedly.

Very well. We'll engage in quote walls another time.

[FakeGod]

Yes. I want everyone who is not currently in a neighborhood and is not the defacto lim for tomorrow on the final wagon for the day. I've been pretty upfront about that.

Why not have a consistent group of universal townreads on all of the wagon?

Why do you want every player to be in neighborhood 1 or 2?

Feel free to educate me if I'm understanding something wrong here.

[FakeGod]

I was hoping N_M would flip town so I can tell people I told you so.

sigh

[FakeGod]

VOTE: dgb

why?

she dismantled the A50 wagon yesterday

[FakeGod]

scum team probably gave up halfway through day 1

VOTE: LavarManos

[FakeGod]

I don’t think DGB was dismantling anything D2. It was pretty willing to murder death kill CB D1 though.

1976 is where she dismantled it.

That led to my subsequent unvote and destruction of the A50 wagon.

[FakeGod]

I would go far as Lavar was not in this game.

[FakeGod]

scum team probably gave up halfway through day 1

I don't think it's that easy. Aren't they more likely to be bussing?

Day 3 started with you in the hot seat, and that's the post you decided to respond to?

Curious.

[FakeGod]

i'm down to kill anything

just give me the word

[FakeGod]

T3 - weird scummy. Posting has an odd tone.

I have not read T3 cases at all so far

I don't even know who T3 replaced

I'm a blank canvas

Sell me this scum read of yours

[FakeGod]

I replaced qoobee

Why are you trying to interfere?

[FakeGod]

No... I'm trying to give the impression of being completely new to T3 so Lavar can build his case.

[FakeGod]

VOTE: T3

[FakeGod]

they are probably both scum

[FakeGod]

sigh

VOTE: LavarManos

[FakeGod]

should we leash neighborhoods?

Yes (2) - OkaPoka, Dusa
No (2) - Titus, Yuri
Not Voting (9) - FakeGod, Bingle, T3, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball, Almost50, UNOwen, LavarManos

I don't care

[FakeGod]

well Bingle my boy that certainlys looks prety bad but are people who are wrong more likely to be scum

but I did a quick read thru that LavarManos game you linked (newbie 2052) and holy moly they seem like an actual real person in that game

[FakeGod]

god I cannot tell if lavar is checked out townie or checked out scum

but one thing is for sure he is checked out

[FakeGod]

I'm reading LavarManos ISO and there's just no movement; he just calls some stuff suspicious I gues??/

is this really what a modern day lurk scum looks like???

[FakeGod]

alright I change my vote to yes because Oka is flooding the thread with his begging

[FakeGod]

LavarManos confuses me.

Why sign up for a game then not play?

[FakeGod]

Bell was killed because one of me, bingle, titus, yuri, maybe dusa is scum and knows bell is a walking trust tell

uhh really?

he should probably fix that because that's really bad

[FakeGod]

you guys are somewhat overreacting

we're in exactly same situation as yesterday but LavarManos is dead and he wasn't going to endgame anyway so we have lost nothing useful

we're still in a good position

[FakeGod]

I like Yuri

He has a trusting face

I will reread before placing my vote tho

[FakeGod]

Leashing is fun because it sparks interesting conversations other than x is scum get him boys. We get to talk about psychology and how ppl interact

I don't even know what leashing is

it's like you... threaten a serial killer to make the kills you want because... you'll kill him or something???

doesn't make any sense to me

[FakeGod]

I am very sure DGB is town.

My strongest townread by a mile.

[FakeGod]

the way LavarManos played didn't really make it possible for any other executes to occur

if you can't tell from my posts, I'm rather angry at the guy

[FakeGod]

just read UNOWEN ISO d1 and bit of d2 and he seems to be town

[FakeGod]

DGB wouldn't call A50's case on me good to get me riled up and post content, resulting in town being able to read A50 as town, unless she's town.

[FakeGod]

fakegod why r u still mad over lavar this cant be the first time you've dealt with a chronic lurker

this is my first game in like 6 years and it just got ruined

[FakeGod]

I'm really curious if Bingle is scum, but I think I should be able to read him once scum numbers are reduced to 1.

Because I've seen Fogport Bingle.

[FakeGod]

All I remember from Titus is her complaining she hasn't caught up yet

[FakeGod]

I went through STD ISO and I think it could come from town or scum so far

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I have no interest in joining the 4th neighborhood.

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T3 seems like bad, over-excited town to me.

Qoobee was very townie

VOTE: t3

you given up on T3 then?

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I mean I wasn't dropping scumreads on Gamma everywhere when I hammered him either

Yuri has that "I dont give a fuck" attitude which I like

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I'm reading T3's ISO and I'd be pretty incredulous to see these posts come from scum

like randomly declaring "scumslip" and trying to start a wagon on Titus? what purpose does it even serve lol

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so you are saying he is trying to put as much garbage into the thread as he can before he dies

hmm his opening reads does seem defensive (piling on Gamma then STD while handing out a bunch of townreads)

and his reads seem to have crystallized since 1530 or so

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I really do want to execute scum today

I'm going to ISO others but d1's both wagons being on scum really ruined a lot of reads I had

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does scum Bingle pretend to learn about venge phase 2 and complain? I think he does?

I feel like he did something similar in Fogport where he realized how town-sided the setup was and posted about it for 20 pages

VOTE: Bingle

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I'm trying to see who townread gamma before 1064 hit and he got destroyed

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I still want to execute T3 today, but can you link to Fogport?

Second, I'm not sure how this works against Bingle given we confirmed scum have a venge after neighborhoods take over. That's proscum so wouldn't Bingle's complaints suggest town?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80685

I am not sure. I guess I'm more of wary of his outraged reaction upon discovering the setup's imbalance.

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Yuri, yes.

Have you ever flailed as scum before?

If you have, link some examples. I want to see what you classify as flailing/trolling.

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You did use it to argue your case in Fogport, and something like that isn't possible here. The outrage itself scares me.

Is anything not possible for scum Bingle?

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I have no idea how town Bingle would have reacted. Maybe the exact same way.

I just thought it reminded me of Forport Bingle.

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Am I overthinking this? Maybe how I form reads is outdated or something.

I thought Bell and Dannflor kills were terrible. I don't remember seeing anything from them that I thought was town, but scum team apparently saw enough to kill them.

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I've been trying to drive wagons off scum

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A50 is locktown and I'm willing to bet the game on that read

easy clap

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Yuri

I thought he had a townie attitude

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I dunno I need to read

I'm pretty sure A50 and you are town

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Even the one she started on gamma was to save cupcake and she probably didn't expect it to go through.

why would scum try to save scum by starting a counterwagon on another scum

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my reads have been wildly inaccurate

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What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

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looking at my track record I would push myself too

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well let's see

gamma attacked me out of nowhere and that sucked all the fun out of day 1

then I attacked almost50 d2 whose slots defended gamma but it turns out it was a dual scum competing wagon so my analysis was garbage

plus he sounded town after I grilled him for awhile

then people started piling on t3 and I ISO'd him and I thought there were a ton of posts that wouldn't make any sense to come from scum but apparently he was scum

so I dunno

[FakeGod]

he voted me so I voted him

he got angry because apparently that was equivalent to me telling him to go fuck himself

I decided to ignore him; he wrote some stuff afterwards but I hammered him

I don't know if there's anything else

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you probably enjoyed my antics then

I drove counterwagons all over the place

I'm also going to tell you that there will be no more useful information with VC, so you'll have to get accurate VCA done with what you have now.

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I'm looking at my A50 push in d2, and assuming A50 is town, it's an attractive wagon for scum to join in order to save their teammate Cupcake Butterfly.

Dusa was already on it before me, and Lavar flipped town. DGB I think is town because how she dismantled the wagon afterwards. Two remaining votes are Yuri and UNOWEN.

I guess I will push an execute between Yuri and UNOWEN today.

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Bingle cannot be scum or this would be his worst Scum play yet. Scum!Bingle would have used my proposed best Scum play plan, with some minor tweaking of his own. He wasn't even om Gamma, and losing 2 more scum buddies isn't exactly his best performance if he was Scum.

Does Bingle bus all of his team and go for solo reverse sweep?

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Deciding between Yuri and UNOWEN

I would like to see what Yuri has to say

pdodging

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I'm waiting for Yuri to say stuff

come back to me my space cowboy

I don't even know if I should even vote; the idea of just relaxing neighborhood 4/5 and watch players resolve the game without me feels with calmness

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fills me with calmness*

but I wanna win too sigh

I wish scum would shoot me

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I'm also willing to vote Yuri now

let me know if I am needed

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I still think DGB is town because of the way she stopped me from trying to fight A50.

Dusa's posts feel like there is a thinking brain behind her posts who's trying to hunt scum? Like 3029 seems simple enough but I don't think I'm capable of making that post as scum.

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but listen... I've been wrong at virtually every turn of this game.

I'm happy to just vote whoever the town wants me to vote

it sounds like bunch of people want me for neighborhood 5, and I'll oblige

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I'm sorry guys

I played like garbage

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Thanks for carrying me town

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I'm frustrated by this setup. I think I might have seen the super short deadlines when I initially reviewed the setup, but in my mind the game would be "solved" by "lategame". I didn't realize that there would be this little insight to the game at this phase, and how bad to y phases with subsets of all the players would feel.
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like didn't want dgb instagibbed. I didn't even realize voting it was e1. If Titus didn't point out my genuine reaction that I didn't know it had been hammered that needs to be marked down (or same for UnOwen I guess)
Tbf I knew that FakeGod had DGB as a top townread but it's hard to have the mindset that my aggregate own reads+proxy reads should I corporate material from someone who is probably town when that person tears himself down about his misreads on mafia, and secondly never explains the read anywhere that I remember. Like FakeGod if you actually want to be anything other than someone who joined a large theme who tried to govern all scum you need to explain your reads more that's how mafia worms. If your reasons are good people will say "oh that makes sense", if your reasons aren't good they will ignore you and lim the person anyway.
"I'm mad at dusa" isnt a read or a reason fwiw. I expect slightly? Better from gl but like I get feeling exhausted and not really wanting to pushback against scumread on me anymore
On the other hand I'm pretty pissed that every single read on me all game is some lazy crappy "Dusa voted for player X and that player is green" and "Dusa voted for player y and that player is red". Never analysis of motivations, intention, some kind of linguistic feature. Nothing that wouldn't apply to robots playing a game of mafia.
Unowen is probably town because he could have hammered me and gotten parity in his hood right? Titus voted for me which could be viewed as seizing the win. And all she said was, "let's try something different"
Unowen got me to stop caring about Titus but I've been frustrated about Titus repeatedly feeling inductive with respect to my slot. I mean I know I often feel shitty about the way Titus approaches mafia so I'm worried about the signal to noise ratio there. But she's given me the vibe that she asked a question without genuinely caring about the answer this game which is a major scumtell. She has a good voting record this game though, and people have said that means a lot to her.. ugh
I was gonna say "no matter who it is they have a great voting record" but I really hope it's FakeGod in the sense that I would feel less guilty about not developing more insights this game. I think that he has produced enough this game that he should be left alive through endgame no matter what
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don't remember Unowen's voting record so maybe that's a slot that can be scum without being a busser
It's probably not impossible that it's GuiltyLion but I just don't want to reconsider GuiltyLion anymore. People who smooth their progressions as much as he has probably flip town
I just really wish people had engaged me better day 1 because day 1 was completely out of my scumrange. And then we had a bunch of day phases of me doing little particularly out of my scumread. And the people who would care got shot, and also the people who would care but got shot didn't get to like, talk about it, for where it at least halfclicks with people like a50 that just weren't destined to initially see it?

Man a50's read on me is crazy I wonder if nsg spoiled the dead PT.

I feel bad

I want to just die and let whoever is alive that is town figure it out because I don't feel good about my reads

There's probably not enough townies ratio'd to scum for that to be reasonable

But in terms of solving more the deadlines don't let me either

Maybe you'd lolhammer me even if we had a month though idk
I gotta take a shower and meet a lawyer I expect to be dead later.

I told UnOwen I had a feeling STD should be town this game and I don't really have a good reason not to go with that I guess
Unowen being scum would mean literally every mafia was under pressure the entire game

It's gambler's fallacy to say games don't go like that. Sometimes they do, and scummy people are scummy so it's a bit more likely than rand to happen.

Happened to me in tatsuya kaname game. Probably others

This was my favorite post of the game.

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apparently no one wants to play scum any more, which is weird

everyone wanted to be scum back in the day

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I haven't seen good scum team since...

checks wiki...

Guns & Roses III.

That was some high quality mafia playing.

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Thanks for modding nsg!

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additionalyl when i joined, the motto as town was just scumhunt and don't worry about being townread its not your problem

I didn't give a shit about being townread and I tried my best to scumhunt

yet here we are

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if I didn't want to play with you in the playlist, I wouldn't have joined in the first place

but you were a terrible person to me in game for no reason other than I voted you so I'll think about it