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[Dannflor]

I mean I'm not going to attack people just for scum reading him. I think he tends to be an easy target but if people have good reasons for scum reading him beyond just like "well, look at this posts" then that's a different case

my reaction to esooa was largely due to the fact that I had experienced extremely similar posting from scum!nsg before, I'll see if I can't dig up the examples soon. but I also have an extremely difficult time town reading nsg in general so I will admit my own (likely overboard) paranoia may have been influencing my read to a degree

I will challenge you on flow trap though. What do you mean by "stretch the amount of scumminess?" That it was scummy but I said it was too scummy? I stand by flow trap's entrance being probably the scummiest entrance to the game and at the time it was the absolute strongest thing I had to go on

[Dannflor]

also I am reading more and I think I do properly scum read T3 now lol

[Morning Tweet]

It's not *really* that people are saying "well look at these scummy posts by T3", though? At least, i dont feel like that's all ive/esooa've been saying\

I was also immediately pinged by #26. It is a

very

odd comment to make two pages into the game when there are only two ostensibly RVS votes on northsidegal. This is compounded by the fact that Farren explained his vote clearly only a few votes before.

so, it seems like flow trap is both just posting an observation to post without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon.

flow trap did neither so my observation in #13 was less tongue-in-cheek than might have been first interpreted. I didn't really scum read flow trap off of that, but that was my first reaction of, "huh that's a bit awkward." but then I tried to coax flow trap to join the wagon on NSG and they just refused for seemingly no real reason. I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility for

actively

avoiding the wagon.

like i tend to think townies, especially in RVS, are on average more likely to swing their vote around and build wagons even for n/a reasons. I don't know flow trap and I'm probably not going to meta them anytime soon but I am still lacking a sense of why their approach to voting nsg was like oil on water

I don't think that overall really says anything about northsidegal's alignment, more just that flow trap seemed to be deliberately avoiding taking a bold stance (like being the third vote on a wagon could be seen as)

Flow's early game does come across as odd to me, im not sure if i could have quantified it like this though.

Posting observations just to post, mm, I guess maybe. I think your point that "I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon." (which u mention a couple times) is a stretch, since early games can vary so wildly.

Hmm, haven't decided what i make of it overall. I think flow came across as weird but i think the additional points that he didnt interact the way "thought a townie would" are overkill

I think flow's opening was bad too. I just interpreted lines like "I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon." or "I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility for actively avoiding the wagon.", as well as the bit about townies on average in RVS, it just seemed like taking it out of proportion

To be fair it's a pretty small point though since taking things out of proportion kinda just happens in RVS. I felt you did the same thing with NSG when you said you interpreted her question as "going for a gotcha", or when you said "i didnt take you for a rhetorical player" -- when all she did was ask a rhetorical question once. It seemed like a *bit* of a stretch to keep NSG as reasonably suspicious

That being said there are parts of ur play i also found impressive which im reminded of, like how you were keeping track of NSG's play as seeming RC-like then you engaged on her specifically to see if that were the case. You have towny posts too i guess the T3 interaction confbiases me more

[Morning Tweet]

It's easy to post a lot when you start with 39 pages?

you're just jealous she can do quantity AND quality
has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

MT is either high-effort scum the heights of which make slackers like me quake in their shoes, or town.
so unless anyone has something to actually say in regards to the former, mt is gonna sit right next to farren in my town reads

I'm back for round #2. Will my Ich/Farren TRs + Redtea/flow TLs + Dann/Esooa/T3 team be torn to pieces ???

this isn't actual commentary i just wanna say this legitimately got me hyped to read your posts lol

I am so pocketed right now >W<

im very happy you read my catchup and engaged with it in any case!!

there's a sizable difference when i rep in as town versus scum but it's not effort-wise. This is my scum rep-in

The difference is whether or not im willing to constantly have takes versus keeping everyone mostly at "slight town" or "null". you can probably guess which one of those i do as scum constantly.

and MT brings it up herself!

maybe it's the fact i'm informed on your alignment reading that game, but your coverage there seems a lot sloppier than your coverage here. More just throwing shit out and seeing what people make of it rather than having your own internal consistency/thought train, if that makes sense.

I agree! Faking a thought train is exceptionally hard for me as scum (so much so that sometimes I keep a notes PT to help me remember), so thats why i emphasise it so hard as town. Sorry, scum me

But yeah I agree in any case that's there's a pretty noticeable difference. another one is that I'm usually summing up rather than giving my own opinion on things, im scared to do that as scum for some reason because i forget opinions of town!me are super volatile.

[Dannflor]

It's not *really* that people are saying "well look at these scummy posts by T3", though? At least, i dont feel like that's all ive/esooa've been saying\

that's completely fair, and I'm seeing more of what both of you are seeing now

I think that statement applied more to D1 where I felt like T3 was getting PoE'd because uh he made weird posts

but that's rather irrelevant now

[Morning Tweet]

MT #979
if im reading this right are you saying dann is dancing around t3 based on his post about people dancing around t3

Hahahahaha

It's just EXACTLY the kind of post i would make to justify keeping a scummy slot in contention but not directly suspect them. Cause you could easily just do the opposite and say "If T3 were town, I think scum would probably just townread/ignore him and let town murder him, then profit and win". I'd just use whichever one of those takes are more convenient to me -- it's a bit less likely id use them as town

MT #981
as to dann seeing more into nsg's post than there probably was- being ungenerous as it were- in my opinion, the ich/esooa blowup mirrors it. Ich was finding all kinds of shit in esooa that neither i nor anyone else (iirc) was seeing, or at least not anywhere near to the depth he was.

Is that something you've considered yet? Or do you have any strong thoughts about that interaction?

(add: i might go back and review ich/farren, similarly. Can you see why i don't want to heaven ich? lol)

I recall Ich being like "Esooa you're not making sense SMH go in the scumpile timeout and think about what you did"

i also recall Ich clinging to a metatell on Esooa that was making Esooa pretty annoyed

It came across to me like Ich was confirm biased and sort of taking everything Esooa says as scummy (Kinda like how they do to Farren as well) which is something i usually associate with Ich's play in general. With Dann it's a lot more subtle. I think it's similar in that it's ungenerous though yea

[Ich Troje]

MT, do you want to go first?

[Ich Troje]

Nvm deadline is up. Time to ascend...

[Ich Troje]

GOOD LUCK

[ManateeDude]

Flip later tonight!!

[ManateeDude]

Heaven VC1.FINAL

Marian is a song released in 1985 by Sisters of Mercy

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to send someone to Heaven

Ich Troje (3):

T3, Ich Troje, flow trap

Morning Tweet (2):

Esooa, Farren

Not Voting:

Dannflor, redtea, Morning Tweet

Deadline

Mod Notes:

Ich Troje will be sent to heaven!!

[ManateeDude]

Ich Troje has been sent to heaven. They were.......

Spoiler:

A

Vanilla Townie

[ManateeDude]

Hell Phase 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-08-08 22:30:00) from now

Hell VC2.00

Released in 1987

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to send someone to Hell

Not Voting:

Dannflor, redtea, Morning Tweet, T3, flow trap, Esooa, Farren

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 22:30:00)

Mod Notes:

:D

[T3]

[Farren]

T3, what's your evaluation of the gamestate right now?

[redtea]

omfg i forgot to vote again didn't i

[flow trap]

VOTE: Farren

[flow trap]

UNVOTE: Farren

[Farren]

Why hesitate, flow trap?

[flow trap]

Oh you know there's a thing called Eliminate or Lose which I forgot about

I'm totally not dying right now

[flow trap]

Now if you'll excuse me I'm recovering from a heart attack

[Farren]

Scum don't win at parity. Parity triggers Judgment Day.

[Farren]

But if you're not voting for me because you're worried about triggering consequences during ELo, that tells me a couple of things.
1) You're not considering how Judgment Day impacts things, which means you're not voting for me because you want to force a re-evaluation during Judgment Day.
2) If you're Town, you're not 100% sold on scum|me.
3) If you're scum, you're worried about getting into a 1v1 with me, despite how D2 went down.

[redtea]

well i wouldve had to convince someone to vote mt with me anyway

[Farren]

well i wouldve had to convince someone to vote mt with me anyway

Morning Tweet could have self-voted.
Whether or not she would have is a different question, but it was certainly an option for her at the time.