White flag #824 game over

[implosion]

VOTE: Datisi

Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"

has

to be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.

I want to call N_M's play so far townie and am not sure what Gamma is talking about with MURDERCAT about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Sticking to a questionable TR because you have to as part of the wackstrat could never be a partner tell.

You literally skipped the post with the connection you absolute baboon

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like if it’s done early then the implied follow-up of thinking whether you want to stick to your TRs you’ve chosen will be more poignant

The exercise only runs until EoD1, at which point you determine whether you want to stick with the reads you picked out or flip to scumreading one or both of them
Even in the posts you quoted that was kinda evident but you completely refused to acknowledge the post that cut the legs off the push you were trying to make
VOTE: bugspray
This kinda reminds me of how you played in the game we were scum together in but in general you didn’t even try to legitimately parse what I was saying and instead tried to hop on the anti-Gamma sentiment bandwagon

[Infinity 324]

meh i think bugspray's misunderstanding can be genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

how
The thing they were looking for was there and they skipped it for god-knows-why
Unless an actual explanation can be provided I’m inclined to be very doubtful of bugspray’s motivations

[Infinity 324]

8 didn't specify when you were looking at whether would people to stick to their trs, so bugspray could've thought you meant during d1

i was kinda like "you have a point" when i read their post, i wasn't thinking about it too much tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that’s true but again, do the math, it’s pretty obvious D2 is when that re-evaluating should happen

[GuiltyLion]

dwlee likely town for that.

can you elaborate on this one? I don't see how that post makes Dwlee any more likely town, he's just accepting a townread on him from Flea

I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play, rather than claiming suspicion first without checking. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here

[GuiltyLion]

I'm selecting Gamma as my other hard townread

Infinity are you townreading bugspray?

[Infinity 324]

no

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought about it a little and I think I can allow myself to TR NM for now
I just hope his play has some real dimensionality to it going forward

[implosion]

dwlee likely town for that.

can you elaborate on this one? I don't see how that post makes Dwlee any more likely town, he's just accepting a townread on him from Flea

I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play, rather than claiming suspicion first without checking. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here

It doesn't have to do with him being one of Flea's townreads (I didn't notice that, so if that's what Dwlee was doing then ignore this); I had thought Flea's posting looked townish at a glance but not enough to mention it and I think it's not a read that scum has that much incentive to give at that moment. The thread hadn't been posted in for an hour and I think it's more likely for town to come in and say "this opening looks town" than for scum to come in and give a townread on someone who had no reads on them yet.

Regarding Datisi: I don't think the forgetting that you naked voted is fake? I don't see why scum Datisi can't have seen your vote here and said "oh, i think this is a difference in GL's play" and then gone back and seen that it wasn't. The read on him is partially tonal as well.

[implosion]

I thought about it a little and I think I can allow myself to TR NM for now
I just hope his play has some real dimensionality to it going forward

Elaborate on what you thought about a little?

[Infinity 324]

It doesn't have to do with him being one of Flea's townreads (I didn't notice that, so if that's what Dwlee was doing then ignore this); I had thought Flea's posting looked townish at a glance but not enough to mention it and I think it's not a read that scum has that much incentive to give at that moment. The thread hadn't been posted in for an hour and I think it's more likely for town to come in and say "this opening looks town" than for scum to come in and give a townread on someone who had no reads on them yet.

townpost

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought about it a little and I think I can allow myself to TR NM for now
I just hope his play has some real dimensionality to it going forward

Elaborate on what you thought about a little?

The comparison between this game and Mini 2170
The play isn’t exactly the same, as was said earlier, I really just saw red when NM started looking like he was trying to substitute a forced tunnel for actual content again
When I thought about it I realized it was probably too early to declare that the case, and a few of his other posts kinda town ping me

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Datisi

Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"

has

to be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.

I want to call N_M's play so far townie and am not sure what Gamma is talking about with MURDERCAT about it.

Lol, so scum

[Klick]

So first of all, I'm not in a place where I can post lots of times per day. Most of my posting will come during my nighttime, and so it's gonna be somewhat sparse. Just flagging that now. I didn't wake up to 10+ pages so I feel hopeful that it won't be a problem here.

Over half of Gamma's posts have made me want to vote him so far, but that's probably a sign that I'm seeing things in his play that are NAI more than anything actually substantive. Going to come back to trying to read him when there's more to work with.
That being said:

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Reading my thoughts right after I have them is always a good sign. bugspray can be town.

when i read 20, it did feel to me like a vaguely pointless question, so seeing n_m's 21 right after it was nice. n_m can be town for now, and my rvs vote is no longer rvs.

Datisi uses a similar method to get a townread on NM here, something something we're thinking along the same lines and that is vaguely towny? Dunno. It's entirely possible that I just want to have a townread on Datisi.

VOTE: Datisi

Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. [...] I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post.

Is overtly trying to appear towny something that town are less likely to do than scum early on? It's the question I'm asking myself in regards to Gamma actually I think. A lot of Gamma's posts are reading as 'hello, look at me, being town, this is what I think town is supposed to do.' But I've seen enough instances of that being a townie's line of play that I'm hesitant to call it a scumtell.

You literally skipped the post with the connection you absolute baboon

This post and the following conversation don't feel like a productive use of posts tbh. Your plan involves some fairly abstract thinking, and someone not paying close attention is going to misinterpret things how bugspray did (as someone who read it the same way bugspray did). This should possibly be taken as a sign that your plan is a vector of distraction from scumhunting.

Gotta go for now, still a few posts towards the end of this page I haven't read very closely but this is a start at least

[bugspray]

I guess that’s true but again, do the math, it’s pretty obvious D2 is when that re-evaluating should happen

lots of people call non obvious things obvious

[bugspray]

VOTE: implo
we can play dota later but you die today

[goats]

Good morning. My name is goats because I am the GOAT. I will begin this game by voting obvious scum.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[goats]

VOTE: Datisi

Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"

has

to be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.

I want to call N_M's play so far townie and am not sure what Gamma is talking about with MURDERCAT about it.

Explain what's wrong with the first four posts you quoted.

[goats]

I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Sticking to a questionable TR because you have to as part of the wackstrat could never be a partner tell.

You literally skipped the post with the connection

you absolute baboon

Weird overreaction to a simple misunderstanding. You are probably scum.

[Datisi]

I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play,

rather than claiming suspicion first without checking

. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here

i am not sure i like this. specifically the bolded part, that never happened. i didn't claim suspicion on you without checking - at the time of typing 47, i had already checked coalition and knew you weren't actually suspicious for naked voting.

you're correct that scum!me doesn't fake forgetting you naked voted there. however, implo is right in saying that it's possible (from your pov at least) that this is scum!me genuinely forgetting you naked voted in coalition, going back to check whether that's true and whether i can shitpush you on that basis, and then realizing that no, i cannot, because i misremembered; but hey, makes a nice ~solvey~ post.

like, this post gives me a vague feeling of guiltylion knowing i'm town and working backwards to make this post, as opposed to working out my alignment, if that makes sense?

[goats]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is outed actually. He was angry at bugspray being a baboon, implying anger at bugspray's stupidity or lack of reading comprehension. But then he votes bugspray on the basis that they were mafia and intentionally trying to make them look bad. Which makes them scum, not someone who lacks reading comprehension. I think Gamma is mafia who got tilted at being suspected for the wrong reasons by a townie who didn't read their post properly. Which is why he initially calls them a baboon and then switches to a fake reason to attack them after.

[Flea The Magician]

I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Sticking to a questionable TR because you have to as part of the wackstrat could never be a partner tell.

The context here is important, but missable.
D1 you stick to the read and work with them.
D2 you get to challenge that read.

I've seen a few other players pull this tbh