White flag #824 game over

[Not_Mafia]

Will vote implosion or murdercat

[Datisi]

hm. bugs, why do you keep your vote on gamma if you have three other suspicions?

VOTE: murdercat

anyway yeah, this is reminding me of to tell the truth murdercat.

[MURDERCAT]

it's strange to me that you're townreading him for essentially saying "i have this strategy that will produce good solves, but it will only come true later on", and you're townread him now for it, rather than when he actually produces results

I saw him do basically the same thing in a town game, so what's weird about it

[MURDERCAT]

because I just read their iso and i think it's doo doo and they are obvious scum.

I haven't really even gotten to post yet, busy at work and today

[Not_Mafia]

Any comment on your wagon or pooky's read?

[MURDERCAT]

@implosion + MURDERCAT: aside from the people who are clearly against it and Not_Mafia, y’all are the only two to not do my thing yet. Would you like to pick some people or are you opting out?

I thought it was implicit I was choosing you and infinity

[MURDERCAT]

Any comment on your wagon or pooky's read?

Not that far yet

[MURDERCAT]

I think Pooky read is fine, most worried about Klick? More interested in finding town though

[MURDERCAT]

{GL, gamma, infinity, implo, NM, Flea}

I feel decently good that this list is town.

[Datisi]

can you give a tl;dr for those? especially for flea.

[MURDERCAT]

GL is tone so take that for what it's worth (not much for the people scum reading there I bet)
Gamma is for doing something similar to a town game I was in with him
Infinity and I are masons (less likely to go e me time to post as scum)
Implo also tone and wagon dynamics but I've liked some of his thoughts as well
NM I feel like I can read based on previous games as crazy as that sounds, but it's too early to talk about my read on him
Flea I don't think ever posts 320 as scum, it's too genuine

[Datisi]

Infinity and I are masons (

less likely to go e me time to post as scum

)
Implo also tone and

wagon dynamics

but I've liked some of his thoughts as well

explain the two bolded ones

and the reason your vote is still on pooky is...?

[Datisi]

[sarcasm] klick is lockscum because he has a townread on me. town!klick has literally

never

read me correctly, he must know i'm town. [/sarcasm]

anyway. i didn't think much of klick's 352 at first, but reading 364 did make me go back and reread and realize that i'm not sure i vibe with that. like, goats was talking about why gl/dwlee are possible / not ruled out as partners in 223, and then klick took it as ???. though maybe i'm misunderstanding, so i'd like to see klick's response to 364.

also, is dwlee "not trying to convince us they're town" really worth them being a strong townread?

also also, something about having the strongest scumread on guiltylion, but not voting him, but that's more my own annoyance than an actual reason to suspect someone i guess.

i feel like making a triangle

what's a triangle?

this is a triangle (excuse the old game, when i was trying to think of recent triangles, i realized i have one (1) town one which was an utter disaster accuracy-wise, and all the other i've done recently were as scum and i feel like that's not the impression i should be giving here... though having said that lemme know if you end up wanting links to scum ones)

i *want* to say that dwlee's play around murdercat strikes me as odd in a bad way, but that would probably be more my own confbias than anything.

and yeah, i'm really not impressed with what murder's put forward so far. i'd love to say it reminds me of his scumgames i've played in, but i just realized i haven't played with him as town, so probably should not make that argument without a towngame to compare with, last time i did that i ended up sending myself into a paranoid scumreading frenzy, only for the person to turn out to be a friendly neighbour lol

[MURDERCAT]

explain the two bolded ones

give me*

As you can see I'm phone posting at 6:30am so don't expect too much please

Infinity I think is more likely to take a strong stance on me and keep it (this did happen early but infinity is now wavering; if she wanted to scum read me as scum she would just do it).

Implo I need to computer post about, sorry

[Datisi]

This kinda stepping into other shoes stuff, trying to twist around and figure out mindsets and attitudes and whether or not someone is playing with a team, is something that is really hard to fake as scum (because you have to do an extra layer of it - you're stepping into the shoes of town stepping into the shoes of another player) but comes naturally for townies.

reskimming again, i'm not sure i vibe with this read. mainly, a read like "this person is lazy so probably town" feels like one of the easier reads to fake as scum, because you don't really have to put nuance into it or analyze if their few reads are scum or town motivated, you just slap a "lazy town" sticker on it and move on. not saying those kinda reads don't come from town, but goats painting it as "really hard to fake as scum" rubs me the wrong way

[Dwlee99]

i *want* to say that dwlee's play around murdercat strikes me as odd in a bad way, but that would probably be more my own confbias than anything.

But why

[Datisi]

because the "haha guys i can read murdercat and he's not obvious scum so he's probtown" is like, a lazy read that i've done as scum before (tbf it was towards a townie), but coupled with then weirdly shifting him in the middle because he's obviously being a non-entity, then dropping him down completely but not voting him until someone else did just strikes me as weird - like partner not wanting to scumread a buddy, but realizing the buddy is giving them literally nothing to work with (and knowing there's me/pooky here who would probably see you in a bad light if you flubbed a townread on murdercat) and voting them when others are but still like, not saying anything about him or whatever

i don't wanna get tunneled/confbiased on the above because i am aware that i rarely make early s/s reads that end up making sense, and i'm aware it's possible you were just at a wrong place at a wrong time so to speak, so idk lol

thoughts on recent murdercat posting?

[goats]

why is guiltylion a "duh"? i don't think you actually said anything about him, other than you liked he kicked your ass into high gear, and then later on that you don't see anything scummy from him. did i miss you talking more in depth about him somewhere?

also uh, do you wanna talk about anything wrt me?

GuiltyLion is a duh because

his whole thing with goats is confusing to understand

what's confusing about it?

Genuine frustration but as I said before it could be a caught for the wrong reasons thing and if he is town I kinda get what he is saying about your push on him? Which is why you're also in my confused pile.

why aren't you more inquisitive/curious about it? I'd expect you to poke and prod there and try to sort the two of us if you're confused but you seem content to let it go for now and just stick us into a blurry nullish bucket

[goats]

yeah man you got me. I'm trying to convince the rest of the town to vote you out and am making posts that insinuate you are mafia. you really exposed my hidden motivations there.

Just for the record, I'm going to stop engaging with this for a while. In the event you are town here we clearly have incompatible playstyles/ideas and I don't really see a way forward of me not fixating on a scumread on you, nor us actually ever getting to a point of working together productively if you can't stop antagonizing me with the arrogance and the sarcasm

if you have genuine or good faith questions for me that might help you understand why I think what I think better then bring them forward, but otherwise I'm going to have to tune you out so I can hold onto my desire to actually play this game

like, as one last attempt as a serious reply to this, the scare quotes are nothing more than a way of trying to make me defensive. Missing posts or forgetting to reply to them isn't scummy and you sure as [censored for cyrus] should know that. I

always

make good on replying to things if people call out that I've missed them.

And this question you originally wanted me to reply to (as well as a bunch of your newer posts), it honestly saps my will to play if I try to reply to all of them. They're phrased leadingly, they're littered with subtle strawmen/misrepresentations of my posts, and the worst part is I'm sure that even if I did sit down and try to patiently tease out where you're twisting my words or trying to manipulate the thread perception around what I said, you'll just immediately jump in afterwards with a bunch more 'gotcha's, yanking me into an endless rabbit hole of this kind of pseudo bravado and tanking the gamestate into a toxic 1v1.

I almost think I might just

want

to think that you're scum because it's unpleasant to deal with people who play like this as town. it's been a while since I've been tunneled by someone so arrogantly in this way and I really just don't vibe with it.

tl;dr

[goats]

bugspray and Pooky have both visited the site elsewhere but not here since the whole goats/GL thing, in a vacuum I find that slightly suspicious

btw since when are this kind of reads allowed?

It happens, some people don’t like it but it happens
The validity is mixed

on the usual site i play on you'd get a warning from the mods at least

i guess this is the wild west

[goats]

guiltyloion is obvtown i sus datisi, implo, and flea

you are scum just for these reads

[goats]

sup homies.

I'd do another long ass wall post but most ya'all didn't read my last wallpost so I'm gonna keep this short and simple.

MurderCat's "Iso"


VOTE: MurderCat


Dude's choking.

I don't believe Mr. Paragon can't come up with a single thought in an entire week.

Plus he chokes as scum all the time.

any comments on the following individuals: GL, dwlee, flea

[Datisi]

goats, buddy, why are you trying to make me scumread you with posts like 393?

[goats]

GL is tone so take that for what it's worth (not much for the people scum reading there I bet)
Gamma is for doing something similar to a town game I was in with him
Infinity and I are masons (less likely to go e me time to post as scum)
Implo also tone and wagon dynamics but I've liked some of his thoughts as well
NM I feel like I can read based on previous games as crazy as that sounds, but it's too early to talk about my read on him
Flea I don't think ever posts 320 as scum, it's too genuine

why are all of your townreads tone and "they did something similar to a previous town game"

[goats]

goats, buddy, why are you trying to make me scumread you with posts like 393?

i gave that post the response it deserves