Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[Uranus]

One last thing before I get hammered (as I am quite sure this will be reason enough for someone to vote me). In case of my untimely death I would like my fellow townies to not only look at those who voted me but also at those who didn't vote me. I know it sounds like revenge and therefor I didn't wriite it directly after it occured to me. But cowsloveSushirolls kind of started the final bandwagon on me without even voting me. Could be he really was satisfied with my answer or he just wanted to be able to say 'What do you want? I didn't vote an innocent.' afterwards.

And now I am waiting for the Queen song 'Hammer to fall'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU5LMG3WFBw

There ya go

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE:

To be clear, my vote stands in spirit. I just don't want scum quickhammering before anyone else gets to weigh in here.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, so, here's my problem.

A prod post is, usually, profoundly NAI. If anything, it might just BARELY lean Town, because Mafia benefits from Town lurking, and are thus less likely to bring it up, but it usually isn't that deep.

This particular kind of overthinking though I believe is vastly more likely to come from scum than town. I don't really see a Townie being afraid that trying to prod a lurker would look scummy, and if they did I don't see them making a big show about it, probably, but not necessarily, just PMing it instead.

However, by your own admission, you did it publicly hoping to gain towncred off it, but then got too paranoid about it backfiring that you wound up overexplaining yourself. That's scum logic if ya ask me.

[Radical Rat]

Also
@Uranus

Whenever you put someone at E-1, please announce it as such. Don't want someone coming along, not properly reading, deciding to hop on the wagon, and hammering early. And you don't want to give scum a potential defense for doing it on purpose.

[Uranus]

Also
@Uranus

Whenever you put someone at E-1, please announce it as such. Don't want someone coming along, not properly reading, deciding to hop on the wagon, and hammering early. And you don't want to give scum a potential defense for doing it on purpose.

aight mate, thanks for the advice

E-1

[kennyk]

Also
@Uranus

Whenever you put someone at E-1, please announce it as such. Don't want someone coming along, not properly reading, deciding to hop on the wagon, and hammering early. And you don't want to give scum a potential defense for doing it on purpose.

aight mate, thanks for the advice

E-1

... can't ... resist ...

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now 'only'

E-2

[kennyk]

Alright, so, here's my problem.

A prod post is, usually, profoundly NAI. If anything, it might just BARELY lean Town, because Mafia benefits from Town lurking, and are thus less likely to bring it up, but it usually isn't that deep.

This particular kind of overthinking though I believe is vastly more likely to come from scum than town. I don't really see a Townie being afraid that trying to prod a lurker would look scummy, and if they did I don't see them making a big show about it, probably, but not necessarily, just PMing it instead.

However, by your own admission, you did it publicly hoping to gain towncred off it, but then got too paranoid about it backfiring that you wound up overexplaining yourself. That's scum logic if ya ask me.

It is true I might have been overthinking it. But I didn't post it to get towncred. Like I said, nobody else seemed to notice the lurker. That's why I posted it. Yes, to get a lurker posting is beneficent for town. And that's why I did what I did. But while I wrote that post I thought about how it could be understood and added the '@all' part. If that's overexplaining in your eyes: OK. I thought it to be overexplaining if I added the 4 scenario part.

So again someone is suggesting it is better to contribute little to nothing to the game than trying to lay out thought processes. You all know who benefits from less talk and information.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

One last thing before I get hammered (as I am quite sure this will be reason enough for someone to vote me). In case of my untimely death I would like my fellow townies to not only look at those who voted me but also at those who didn't vote me. I know it sounds like revenge and therefor I didn't wriite it directly after it occured to me. But cowsloveSushirolls kind of started the final bandwagon on me without even voting me. Could be he really was satisfied with my answer or he just wanted to be able to say 'What do you want? I didn't vote an innocent.' afterwards.

And now I am waiting for the Queen song 'Hammer to fall'.

by not defending you and only explaining why i thought you were town, i got two people to dig themselves into really deep holes

i have doubts that both of them are aligned with you

[cowsloveSushirolls]

it was at the cost of a bit of discussion from me but i think kenny vs floo looks a lot more towny from both sides than kenny vs radical/uranus

[Radical Rat]

From a general point of view there are (as I see it) four different setups regarding the connection between Entellian and me that matter concerning my prod demand (btw. the prodding didn't happen yet).:
1. We are both mafia.
2. We are both mason.
3. I am mafia, he is not.
4. I am town but not co-mason to him.

To 1.: I would definitely have PMed the mod about the prod. No one else seems to miss Entellian so why should I point it out in public and draw a connection between us. Yes this argument could be turned into the opposit: Because I knew I could always claim this, I did make it public to look town.
To 2.: This scenario is an even more PM one. Not only would a public prod post make the other townies sus of Entellian and me being scum. It might even get mafia to think, that we might be masons and therefor a viable nightkill.

To 3.: A setup in which public posting might be an option. It might look townish to be concerned about another potential towny not posting. On the other hand it can easily backfire.
To 4.: I definitely don't know what role Entellian has in this scenario. As in setup 3 it might look townish or scummy depending on what the others believe.

Emphasis mine, this is what I interpreted to be your reason for posting publicly, which is, in both scenarios where you do this, "It might look townish." I'm not really sure how else to read this.

[Radical Rat]

So again someone is suggesting it is better to contribute little to nothing to the game than trying to lay out thought processes. You all know who benefits from less talk and information.

This is NOT what's happening here. I'm saying your particular thought processes are scummy, not the fact that you shared them.

[Radical Rat]

People I'd like to hear from before putting my vote back:

Salsa (V/LA should be up today)
catboi
Entellian himself (though that may not be possible...)

And everyone else, of course, but those are the main ones.

[kennyk]

One last thing before I get hammered (as I am quite sure this will be reason enough for someone to vote me). In case of my untimely death I would like my fellow townies to not only look at those who voted me but also at those who didn't vote me. I know it sounds like revenge and therefor I didn't wriite it directly after it occured to me. But cowsloveSushirolls kind of started the final bandwagon on me without even voting me. Could be he really was satisfied with my answer or he just wanted to be able to say 'What do you want? I didn't vote an innocent.' afterwards.

And now I am waiting for the Queen song 'Hammer to fall'.

by not defending you and only explaining why i thought you were town, i got two people to dig themselves into really deep holes

i have doubts that both of them are aligned with you

Allthough cowsloveSushirolls defends me (again), I slightly disagree with him. I know some of you might (again) say I am overthinking things and that it makes me look even scummier, but I will try explain nonetheless.
From his point of view he can't be sure if I am townie or scum (unless he is scum himself or we are both masons. Yes I cover my bases again). He seems to feel, that I might be one of the good guys (at least I read his posts like that).

If he is correct (and I know he is, but that's another thing), and I would be killed in this bandwagon, I don't see the deep holes. It might as well have been, that both are town and both really thought, they caught scum. It sure would be something to go for, but definitely no deep hole.

If he is wrong and I am scum (which I am not), they did everything right and there is absolutely no hole in sight for them.

[kennyk]

From a general point of view there are (as I see it) four different setups regarding the connection between Entellian and me that matter concerning my prod demand (btw. the prodding didn't happen yet).:
1. We are both mafia.
2. We are both mason.
3. I am mafia, he is not.
4. I am town but not co-mason to him.

To 1.: I would definitely have PMed the mod about the prod. No one else seems to miss Entellian so why should I point it out in public and draw a connection between us. Yes this argument could be turned into the opposit: Because I knew I could always claim this, I did make it public to look town.
To 2.: This scenario is an even more PM one. Not only would a public prod post make the other townies sus of Entellian and me being scum. It might even get mafia to think, that we might be masons and therefor a viable nightkill.

To 3.: A setup in which public posting might be an option. It might look townish to be concerned about another potential towny not posting. On the other hand it can easily backfire.
To 4.: I definitely don't know what role Entellian has in this scenario. As in setup 3 it might look townish or scummy depending on what the others believe.

Emphasis mine, this is what I interpreted to be your reason for posting publicly, which is, in both scenarios where you do this, "It might look townish." I'm not really sure how else to read this.

"it might look townish or scummy depending on what the others believe"

[kennyk]

People I'd like to hear from before putting my vote back:

Salsa (V/LA should be up today)
catboi
Entellian himself (though that may not be possible...)

And everyone else, of course, but those are the main ones.

I absolutely agree with you, that hearing their point of view would be good. But why not from Save the Dragons (I just noticed that using just the first letters of those three words is no good way to shorten his name) or floo? They didn't respond to this matter either.

I sadly guess you are right about Entellian. And I think Salsa won't change her tripple vote on me either (maybe only by adding more votes. Maybe I am listening to Queen too much [is that even possible?], but it might be she just did what she did, because she's the 'Killer Queen').

[Uranus]

1: Oops, I guess its an

E-2

then
2: Salsa is gonna be on tomorrow not today
3: I think kenny is a little more town again now that he's spoken, but its only a little and rn it's our best viable lead imo

And yeah, we should hear from especially CATBOI and FLOO.

[Save The Dragons]

i think kennyk is town

[Uranus]

i think kennyk is town

Do you have thoughts on the arguments made by radical and others?

[ArcAngel9]

Effective immediately LicketyQuickety replaces Catboi

[cowsloveSushirolls]

hoh shit

lickety replaced into a townslot, catboi called me cringe

dunno if i called that out already

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 1-5

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: , kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria,, Uranus

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: cowsloveSushirolls, Radical Rat

Not Voting

(9):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

LicketyQuickety replaces Catboi
Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
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[cowsloveSushirolls]

Allthough cowsloveSushirolls defends me (again), I slightly disagree with him. I know some of you might (again) say I am overthinking things and that it makes me look even scummier, but I will try explain nonetheless.
From his point of view he can't be sure if I am townie or scum (unless he is scum himself or we are both masons. Yes I cover my bases again). He seems to feel, that I might be one of the good guys (at least I read his posts like that).

If he is correct (and I know he is, but that's another thing), and I would be killed in this bandwagon, I don't see the deep holes. It might as well have been, that both are town and both really thought, they caught scum. It sure would be something to go for, but definitely no deep hole.

If he is wrong and I am scum (which I am not), they did everything right and there is absolutely no hole in sight for them.

i think the dug holes are there regardless of your alignment. radical's intending to put the vote back with no regard to how you reacted at E-2 and even

E-1

briefly, meaning that i think that they are holding on to their biases way too much. of course i don't believe that they're intent on murdering you this early, but the information feels like just the right amount to say "oh shoot, my evidence was flimsy wasn't it. moving on"

uranus feels slightly less like this. he mentions that you give him townpings, but for the most part he's pushing with radical on the exact same point. he's not particularly iffy with the mention of you being hammered, as shown with 150.

clarifying not i'm not mad that you were put at E-2/E-1, that kind of pressure is super good in a slow game like this. i'm talking about the attitudes both of these people have
the holes in this case are the fact that they're showing off that their votes aren't going to go anywhere, but the evidence doesn't feel solid, only conjecture

if it makes you feel more secure, i think I as scum would defend you similarly to this
this only solidifies your town status. it is my soul that wants you alive

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety
feeling OPPORTUNISTIC...

[LicketyQuickety]

Will catch up soonish.

hoh shit

lickety replaced into a townslot, catboi called me cringe

dunno if i called that out already

Well, thanks for calling me Town.

[Save The Dragons]

i think kennyk is town

Do you have thoughts on the arguments made by radical and others?

i think he could be scum trying to harp on something wacky that a newbie is doing to get a mislim.

[LicketyQuickety]

The thing is that this game starts at the day, rather than night, meaning that anyones abilities couldn't be used at all, meaning that we have nothing to go off on.

Kinda lacks TMI...