White flag #824 game over

[Datisi]

In my experience those sorts of wagons tend to be T/T cause survivalism is more likely to dictate that it's easy to just say you'd be okay with the other wagon. Although I've definitely tried to do something similar as scum before resisting hopping onto a counterwagon on myself

not sure what you mean exactly, because survivalistic scum still doesn't want their partner's wagon to go through, no?

i know it's not 100% i just thought it was funny how i thought of a tell that says both you and flea are scum and i still wanted to vote n_m

[Dwlee99]

Oh you said that you thought there was a scum in flea and me. I was thinking you were saying it was an T/S tell.

[Datisi]

VOTE: flea

meh. at least until i get a response to my q in one of the wallposts. no, this is not just a glorified "answer my question" post.

[Datisi]

Oh you said that you thought there was a scum in flea and me. I was thinking you were saying it was an T/S tell.

no, it's stricrly a s/s tell. thought you'd be familiar after c9++, sorry if it was phrased poorly.

ok looking back it was really phrased poorly, my bad

[Gamma Emerald]

What are don't push it don't dew it moments?

for me they're moments of doubt on townreads when I'm like "this behavior/action seems scummy but not explicitly so, and I don't wanna ditch the read over this one thing"

Gamma do you believe in meta

yup
I waver back and forth on how much I want to rely on it, but I think there are ways to use it well (I'm not sure if my way is one tho tbh)

[Gamma Emerald]

In advance so you don't have to wait for when you respond: I don't believe in meta BUT if you do then I think my play here is similar to Chrono trigger including getting wagoned for dumb reasons. And my goats read is in part motivated by my experience with Guillotina who seemed very assertive in a way you don't expect scum to be but was scum and pushing me in a similar way the more aggressive goats head has been.

this perspective makes sense, don't agree with the goats read but I geddit
UNVOTE:
tbh I might just go "whatever" and "hammer" someone I think has a decent chance of flipping scum (hammer is in quotes because I'm saying I'd put down E-1 with NM in the game which is essentially hammer)

[Gamma Emerald]

my baseline for scum!n_m is jk9++, where he was pretty much posting once every prod. if you want to present me with links to the games you've played with him, can look.

I've already referenced mini 2170, and GL posted a link to it when talking about MURDERCAT

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

... I'm at pressure?

[cyrus62]

vote count 1.12

Dwlee99

(4): MURDERCAT, goats, Infinity 324,

Flea The magician

(3):GuiltyLion,Northsidegal,Datisi,

Not_Mafia

(2): Not_Mafia, implosion,

MURDERCAT

(1): Klick

northsidegal

(1):Dwlee99

no1

(1)PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting

(2]: Gamma Emerald,Flea The magician

with 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be kicked off the island

day1 ends in (expired on 2021-08-21 16:19:39)

vote count to be made better and fixed when I return home signed Cyrus m.l hart.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

meh. at least until i get a response to my q in one of the wallposts. no, this is not just a glorified "answer my question" post.

... Did I miss something?

[Flea The Magician]

Seems I don't have a vote anyway lol

[cyrus62]

Seems I don't have a vote anyway lol

dang nagit i messd up the vote count sorry flea fixd now

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM

[Datisi]

In post 803, Flea The Magician wrote:
Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.

while this is an absolute mood, i'm not sure i like this being paired in with such... defensiveness? omgus? i dunno. like if you admit it looks like you're not doing anything, are you really surprised someone is scumreading you for it? do you think town!guiltylion should've not scumread you there?

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the iconeum tell? Is it that we are both sort of unsure of the other's wagon?

if it's this idk how much it applies when the game hasn't had a strong wagon since bugspray got replaced imo

[Gamma Emerald]

implo is using like, sample size 2 i feel like i really shouldn't be putting too much stock into that but his numbers are so pretty

it's not that hard a rubric to apply to other NM games tho I'm p sure

[Gamma Emerald]

it's possible white flag changes that consideration, though.

now i'm somewhat nostalgic for team mafia 2018 white flag, that was a good game.

yeah I liked that one too, that's maybe where I started feeling like my towngame wasn't just "I get townread for being an easy target if I make it past X point in the game"

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

... I'm at pressure?

I both get this and want to ask for more info
why don't you feel pressured, Flea?

[MURDERCAT]

Tbh I see both sides here, but I don’t wanna say more until mcat responds

Not sure what you want me to say, this isn't even the basis of my Pooky read anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I see both sides here, but I don’t wanna say more until mcat responds

Not sure what you want me to say, this isn't even the basis of my Pooky read anymore

I was mostly not wanting to suggest something you could piggyback
my main thought was that it isn't a requirement to see someone's meta on another player and agree that it's entirely true
and now that I'm writing this a better way to put this would be that might be that there's the chance pooky advanced his ability to read implosion
but most of all my thinking around that time was that pooky wasn't even TRing implosion until he blew up (lol) so like, in a way there's no contradiction to what you said?

[MURDERCAT]

im still waiting for murdercat to explain how its protown from his POV for him to throw out this thunderdome

data is good, I think dwlee isn't town and I think I will flip at some point this game. If dwlee or I flip how people reacted to that will be used for associations.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: pooky

kill me first

I know pooky isn't so bad at reading me that he does this as town

[Flea The Magician]

Seems I don't have a vote anyway lol

dang nagit i messd up the vote count sorry flea fixd now

<3

In post 803, Flea The Magician wrote:
Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.

while this is an absolute mood, i'm not sure i like this being paired in with such... defensiveness? omgus? i dunno. like if you admit it looks like you're not doing anything, are you really surprised someone is scumreading you for it? do you think town!guiltylion should've not scumread you there?

ftfy, and no I'm not surprised, what I am surprised at is just how bad the actual reads on me are. GL has shown they are more than capable of putting out a decent reason on me.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

... I'm at pressure?

I both get this and want to ask for more info
why don't you feel pressured, Flea?

I'm at 3/7 and the reasons on me are literally "PoE!"
Especially given 2 of those are capable of better.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you've been miseliminated enough that you'd kinda feel the heat from that anyway
am I wrong?