mini normal 2226; who won

[Titus]

We just need NM to agree and I'll vote Math.

[Datisi]

titus, walk me through what theory are you testing with this.

[DkKoba]

a) why does scum need neighborizor if the mafia neigbor (umlaut) already has contact
b)TA will not find anymore guilties in this game IMO - you know a person alone in a PT wont be red right?
c)if there is a neighborizer- why does scum use it knowing that there is a high chance of a TA based on the setup "theme"

[Titus]

titus, walk me through what theory are you testing with this.

If Chaos is group scum, he naturally comes back with a gun. So his statement would be a lie. He would be the neighborizer thus would have a PT.

If Chaos is a traitor, he lies to cover up his buddy (a neighborizer) so we look for a doctor instead and get mislead. My innos are false. He'd also be neighborized given 2 failed kills.

Either way, scum Chaos has a PT.

Thus when you check him, you get a PT result.

[Titus]

This explains the mod confirmation as well.

[DkKoba]

titus how does a TA return a red check, asking for a friend

[Gamma Emerald]

titus I think you got this so just lmk what the plan is when it's figured out
also I think I'm actually starting to enjoy being in this game again, just a smidge

[Titus]

titus how does a TA return a red check, asking for a friend

No town has a PT atm. They would have claimed it. Thus, has a PT is a red check.

[Titus]

titus how does a TA return a red check, asking for a friend

No town has a PT atm. They would have claimed it. Thus, has a PT is a red check.

*has a PT they can talk in.

[Datisi]

why the hell would scum have a neighbourizer if they already have a neighbour. and even better, why would the 2nd main scum be neighbourizer if the flipped scum is a neighbour who was in the pt with the 3rd scum.

titus, nothing in this game means that if omega is scum, there has to be a scum neighbourizer. you are still making a very likely faulty assumption about scum having a neighbourizer. i can check omega, as i said i don't think it makes any difference so it's all the same to me, but please stop assuming a mafia neighbourizer must exist when the mafia neighbour flip points in the exact opposite direction.

[Titus]

why the hell would scum have a neighbourizer if they already have a neighbour. and even better, why would the 2nd main scum be neighbourizer if the flipped scum is a neighbour who was in the pt with the 3rd scum.

titus, nothing in this game means that if omega is scum, there has to be a scum neighbourizer. you are still making a very likely faulty assumption about scum having a neighbourizer. i can check omega, as i said i don't think it makes any difference so it's all the same to me, but please stop assuming a mafia neighbourizer must exist when the mafia neighbour flip points in the exact opposite direction.

There's literally no point in arguing this as night actions resolve this.

[DkKoba]

titus how does a TA return a red check, asking for a friend

No town has a PT atm. They would have claimed it. Thus, has a PT is a red check.

*has a PT they can talk in.

and how many people need to be in that PT?

[Datisi]

i have no interest in arguing either. just please don't be taking any "cannot communicate" as an actual clear until a second scum has flipped and we can from there deduce whether scum was in a pt together or not.

[DkKoba]

i have no interest in arguing either. just please don't be taking any "cannot communicate" as an actual clear until a second scum has flipped and we can from there deduce whether scum was in a pt together or not.

^^^^^^^
mastina may not have the most balanced designs but i think its clear this was supposed to prevent lategame guilties from being possible.

[Titus]

i have no interest in arguing either. just please don't be taking any "cannot communicate" as an actual clear until a second scum has flipped and we can from there deduce whether scum was in a pt together or not.

I won't. My assumption of a neighborizer would have strong some evidence against it.

[DkKoba]

regardless I refuse to let setup spec impact my reads other than have it be a "is this reasonably possible when taking into account designer wifom" and the answer from me is resounding yes.

if i actually guessed the scumteam makeup - then thats based

[Not_Mafia]

if NM agrees to investigate Chaos

I want to eliminate chaos

[tris]

VC 4.02

Not_Mafia (2):

Aristeia 2936, ChaosOmega 3483

Aristeia (2):

Titus 3544, Gamma Emerald 3545

MathBlade (2):

DkKoba 2918, Datisi 3554

ChaosOmega (1):

MathBlade 3121

Not Voting:

Not_Mafia, Lukewarm 3271

With 9 alive it takes 5 to destroy.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-03 17:05:00)

prodding tris

[Datisi]

i have no interest in arguing either. just please don't be taking any "cannot communicate" as an actual clear until a second scum has flipped and we can from there deduce whether scum was in a pt together or not.

I won't. My assumption of a neighborizer would have strong some evidence against it.

then i still don't get how us investigating him help or give evidence for or against your theory but i'm not sure if i have the willpower for more of this

[Gamma Emerald]

if NM agrees to investigate Chaos

I want to eliminate chaos

...so if we don't do that today are you checking him?

[Aristeia]

Aristeia (2): Titus 3544, Gamma Emerald 3545

this is kind of depressing.

[Titus]

if NM agrees to investigate Chaos

I want to eliminate chaos

If you follow, we prove Chaos guilty and eliminate him tomorrow most likely.

[DkKoba]

im like 95% sure regardless of chaos' alignment he would return green here but whatever it takes for u to townread him correctly

[Titus]

im like 95% sure regardless of chaos' alignment he would return green here but whatever it takes for u to townread him correctly

A "lacks PT" result is technically null.

[Gamma Emerald]

it's at least more information