mini normal 2226; who won

[Titus]

I hate it's Math we have to sacrifice to get a Chaos guilty as he'd be conftown but *sigh* town unity.

[Datisi]

I hate it's Math we have to sacrifice to get a Chaos guilty as he'd be conftown but *sigh* town unity.

???

if i'm missing things here, please explain. how is math conftown then?

[Titus]

I hate it's Math we have to sacrifice to get a Chaos guilty as he'd be conftown but *sigh* town unity.

???

if i'm missing things here, please explain. how is math conftown then?

If scum neighborized both n2 and n3 (which is my theory), then Math would be in a PT as invests resolve last in the order of operations. Whomever gets investigated n3 without a PT is conftown.

[DkKoba]

would you use the neighborizer ability if you were scum

[Titus]

would you use the neighborizer ability if you were scum

Depends on who my neighbors were.

[Datisi]

If scum neighborized both n2 and n3 (which is my theory)

this is literally impossible???

we know that the neighborizer must be scum. therefore, if scum neighbourized a townie, the townie would start screaming how the neighbourizer is scum, gg free scum yeet. so they obviously don't do that. at n2 and forwards, there's only 2 scum alive. if one of them is neighbourizer, literally the only person they can hood is the other scum. there is nobody else.

[Titus]

Chaos has to be proven scum for Math to be conftown though. So I get the reluctance. Math can't live to elo and there's a slim chance I am wrong. So I'd rather keep the town unified rather than possibly getting the game wrong if I am wrong.

[Datisi]

titus, you do understand that a scum neighbourizer, if they exist, they cannot hood a townie because that literally just outs them as scum, right?

[Titus]

If scum neighborized both n2 and n3 (which is my theory)

this is literally impossible???

we know that the neighborizer must be scum. therefore, if scum neighbourized a townie, the townie would start screaming how the neighbourizer is scum, gg free scum yeet. so they obviously don't do that. at n2 and forwards, there's only 2 scum alive. if one of them is neighbourizer, literally the only person they can hood is the other scum. there is nobody else.

That doesn't change the theory. Maybe scum only neighborized n3. If scum did, Math is clear. We're looking for the explanation for the lack of a kill.

[DkKoba]

titus, you do understand that a scum neighbourizer, if they exist, they cannot hood a townie because that literally just outs them as scum, right?

tbh if i designed a setup with a scum neighborizor with mod confirmed PT info i would make the neighborizer disloyal just so scum can't fuck it up like that LMFAO

[Titus]

titus, you do understand that a scum neighbourizer, if they exist, they cannot hood a townie because that literally just outs them as scum, right?

Right, so they know who is scum though.

[Aristeia]

We know there's three people who had access to a PT at the beginning of the game.

It would make sense that these three people know who each other are.

It could be 2 PTs of 2 each - that would be the most likely way to balance for a TA.

You're saying that instead it's 2 people in a PT together (double mafia neighbors?) and the traitor is in its own PT? How does that even work?

[Titus]

titus, you do understand that a scum neighbourizer, if they exist, they cannot hood a townie because that literally just outs them as scum, right?

tbh if i designed a setup with a scum neighborizor with mod confirmed PT info i would make the neighborizer

dis

loyal just so scum can't fuck it up like that LMFAO

This too.

[Datisi]

We're looking for the explanation for the lack of a kill.

scum forgot because they're dummies. scum purposefully no killed to fuck with us. they shot at a bulletproof who isn't claiming for whatever reason. they used literally any power role other than the one that removes their godfather status against a traffic analyst. like, "there wasn't a kill, therefore neighbourizer" is no

[Titus]

We know there's three people who had access to a PT at the beginning of the game.

It would make sense that these three people know who each other are.

It could be 2 PTs of 2 each - that would be the most likely way to balance for a TA.

You're saying that instead it's 2 people in a PT together (double mafia neighbors?) and the traitor is in its own PT? How does that even work?

Mafia in a PT
Traitor plus mafia as neighbors.

Mafia Neighbor dies.

Mafia Neighborizer neighborizes the traitor.

[Aristeia]

If it's scum neighbor + scum neighborizer in a PT together and the Traitor outside and unknown to scum, how can there be 3 people with access to a PT at game start?

[DkKoba]

so you think scum gave town a mislim... to make themselves more vulnerable to a guilty?



imma just sit back here with my occam's razor theory of scum doc(possible joat with other abilities or informed) + mafia neighbor + traitor neighbor(perhaps with an ability as well)

much easier that way :3

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I'm kinda just imagining how much NM must be suffering because he hates neighborhood spec

[Aristeia]

Mafia in a PT
Traitor plus mafia as neighbors.

Mafia Neighbor dies.

Mafia Neighborizer neighborizes the traitor.

ok but why would the mafia neighborizer give up a nightkill to neighborize the traitor and make themselves detectable to TAs? It seems very anti-win con to do this.

[Datisi]

so you think scum gave town a mislim... to make themselves more vulnerable to a guilty?



imma just sit back here with my occam's razor theory of scum doc(possible joat with other abilities or informed) + mafia neighbor + traitor neighbor(perhaps with an ability as well)

much easier that way :3

i have never vibed so much with koba in my life and it scares me

[Lukewarm]

Titus, you have completely lost me. But I think Math is a decent elim, if we are not going chaos.

[Titus]

We're looking for the explanation for the lack of a kill.

scum forgot because they're dummies. scum purposefully no killed to fuck with us. they shot at a bulletproof who isn't claiming for whatever reason. they used literally any power role other than the one that removes their godfather status against a traffic analyst. like, "there wasn't a kill, therefore neighbourizer" is no

1) is super unlikely
2) points to Chaos scum
3) The only bulletproof scum would shoot is the traitor, which makes no sense with a mafia neighor

So...

[DkKoba]

even if we entertain a neighborizer -> umlaut went down due to a supposed guilty, which ended up being a *gun* guilty and thus would cause scum to holster any neighborizer ability because thats whats first on your mind based on the setup provided.

[Titus]

Mafia in a PT
Traitor plus mafia as neighbors.

Mafia Neighbor dies.

Mafia Neighborizer neighborizes the traitor.

ok but why would the mafia neighborizer give up a nightkill to neighborize the traitor and make themselves detectable to TAs? It seems very anti-win con to do this.

Not 100% sure unless they suspected I was loyal.

[Lukewarm]

Having nm target chaos works for me too. imo, the TA have a decent chance of being useless atm, so there is no bad targets. If you see a world where that might come back with a red result, there is likely no harm it going for it.