Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[RegRider]

Verizon is such a shit company.

UNVOTE: Uranus

Hold on, why is StD having doubts? I'll unvote but StD needs to explain their votes.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Can you please explain this post? I have problems to understand why you unvoted.

alright, so i have uranus right

they're a townread based on gut and a bit of tone

LQ makes a large post demonstrating how me and uranus are paired scum.

i post a funny dog picture and vote uranus with them.

then, i explain why the case is factually incorrect so that LQ could develop it more (lq does not respond, but has shown he's read it later in thread. 591)

uranus gets run to E-1, claims.

i got the things i asked for in 594, i unvote. the townread is still here because LQ hasn't bothered replying

[RegRider]

Also I don't buy a kenny/StD team.

Also @CLS, can you explain what about Uranus's tone makes you TR them?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i guess it isnt a GOOD look that both of kenny's scumreads decided to vote uranus with minimal reasoning, while both were thinking they were town

[Radical Rat]

StD/kennyk scumteam, calling it now.

i like how your case is against LQ but you don't think he's scum

It wasn't against LQ, it was specifically about your defense of kenny as being new player awkwardness pounced on by scum, followed by a flashwagon on Uranus for what I see as Actual new player awkwardness, as opposed to blatantly scum thought processes.

I do still think it's very sketchy that you hopped on, and off, the wagon so quickly, but I do at least somewhat understand the deadline pressure affects things.

LQ's take on kenny was different, so I don't think there's really that same level of hypocrisy there, and as such don't scumread him for it.

[Save The Dragons]

We CAN no lim, but in most cases we should NOT do that.

Anyway, this Uranus wagon is really bad, and StD is super scum for it, more when I get home.

apparently i'm super scum because i started the wagon except no i didn't that was LQ and he's not super scum for it

[Save The Dragons]

i always had doubts on uranus

i think astronomyfortwo and salsa are the scum here

but if we get the game moving i'm okay with that

[LicketyQuickety]

I'll be honest. CLS is very difficult for me to get a beat on. In some parts they are very logical and playing the game well. In other parts they are just plain strange. I get that they said they read the forum for about 6 months before signing up for a game (IIRC) but some of their takes are weird/bad. Like why are they saying Uranus is going to claim PR? Was that them saying they were sure Uranus was Scum or something? Just a whole bunch of question marks there.

[Radical Rat]

We CAN no lim, but in most cases we should NOT do that.

Anyway, this Uranus wagon is really bad, and StD is super scum for it, more when I get home.

apparently i'm super scum because i started the wagon except no i didn't that was LQ and he's not super scum for it

StD/kennyk scumteam, calling it now.

i like how your case is against LQ but you don't think he's scum

It wasn't against LQ, it was specifically about your defense of kenny as being new player awkwardness pounced on by scum, followed by a flashwagon on Uranus for what I see as Actual new player awkwardness, as opposed to blatantly scum thought processes.

I do still think it's very sketchy that you hopped on, and off, the wagon so quickly, but I do at least somewhat understand the deadline pressure affects things.

LQ's take on kenny was different, so I don't think there's really that same level of hypocrisy there, and as such don't scumread him for it.

[Save The Dragons]

this Uranus wagon is really bad, and StD is super scum

for it

nani?

[Radical Rat]

Okay I'm home, and I got confused a bit there, sorry.

In my head it was StD who started the wagon, but upon review that was LQ, not StD.

StD DID put it at E-1 though, which... I still think is bad, but my case is less ironclad this way.

[Save The Dragons]

so was I scum for starting the wagon or not before you realize i didn't start the wagon

[Save The Dragons]

because you literally said i was scum for starting the wagon

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know if you saw but i highlighted the words "for it" for a reason

[Save The Dragons]

for it

[Save The Dragons]

oops

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Also @CLS, can you explain what about Uranus's tone makes you TR them?

a quick ISO shows what i'm thinking: uranus has their win condition in mind when typing up posts like 109 (but it's subtle)

stream-of-conciousness posts are nice but i do think ones that aren't directly related to thread lean town esp for newbies, since it suggests that they don't really care about their self image and also that they have no personal obligation to post 'individual content' which i also think leans town 117, 118

maybe there's a phenomenon that if you say "there's nothing to go on" 3 posts in a row the RNG gods instantly swap your role to VT, regardless if you already were or not
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but you know what i (dont) like?

i appreciate uranus putting in the effort to try and wean themselves off of waiting for mechanical information, even if it just seems like they're blindly following site meta

there's something that throws water into this point
in the server we share i just realized that there's no actually 'no lim' option only 'abstain' which doesn't count as an actual vote. which is super wack because a single person could vote when everyone else is abstaining and snipe whoever they wanted
this site's voting system is more W
so i think that point is more NAI. anyalignment!uranus would probably see it as an obligation to vote someone after seeing everyone else do it, since they probably have in their mind that a no elim is now impossible

and also, refusing to give input on the people that have voted them. it feels like the ultimate anti-spew: just a little "are you guys able to unvote?" and nothing else. then, when explicitly asked what they think about the replacements (one of which voted them with a "i agree with 545") they give:

Well for the prior replacements, there's nothing much that stands out.. yet

i think it's nowhere near enough to vote them, however

[Radical Rat]

Yes, you were scum for starting the wagon in my mind at that point.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I'll be honest. CLS is very difficult for me to get a beat on. In some parts they are very logical and playing the game well. In other parts they are just plain strange. I get that they said they read the forum for about 6 months before signing up for a game (IIRC) but some of their takes are weird/bad.

Like why are they saying Uranus is going to claim PR? Was that them saying they were sure Uranus was Scum or something?

Just a whole bunch of question marks there.

594

[Save The Dragons]

Yes, you were scum for starting the wagon in my mind at that point.

so why isn't LQ when he actually started the wagon

[cowsloveSushirolls]

what a lame ass semantics argument

someone tell me why salsa is mafia real quick

[Radical Rat]

We CAN no lim, but in most cases we should NOT do that.

Anyway, this Uranus wagon is really bad, and StD is super scum for it, more when I get home.

apparently i'm super scum because i started the wagon except no i didn't that was LQ and he's not super scum for it

StD/kennyk scumteam, calling it now.

i like how your case is against LQ but you don't think he's scum

It wasn't against LQ, it was specifically about your defense of kenny as being new player awkwardness pounced on by scum, followed by a flashwagon on Uranus for what I see as Actual new player awkwardness, as opposed to blatantly scum thought processes.

I do still think it's very sketchy that you hopped on, and off, the wagon so quickly, but I do at least somewhat understand the deadline pressure affects things.

LQ's take on kenny was different, so I don't think there's really that same level of hypocrisy there, and as such don't scumread him for it.

[Save The Dragons]

what a lame ass semantics argument

someone tell me why salsa is mafia real quick

over eager attack on kenny

[Save The Dragons]

We CAN no lim, but in most cases we should NOT do that.

Anyway, this Uranus wagon is really bad, and StD is super scum for it, more when I get home.

apparently i'm super scum because i started the wagon except no i didn't that was LQ and he's not super scum for it

StD/kennyk scumteam, calling it now.

i like how your case is against LQ but you don't think he's scum

It wasn't against LQ, it was specifically about your defense of kenny as being new player awkwardness pounced on by scum, followed by a flashwagon on Uranus for what I see as Actual new player awkwardness, as opposed to blatantly scum thought processes.

I do still think it's very sketchy that you hopped on, and off, the wagon so quickly, but I do at least somewhat understand the deadline pressure affects things.

LQ's take on kenny was different, so I don't think there's really that same level of hypocrisy there, and as such don't scumread him for it.

yeah that has nothing to do with how LQ interacted with uranus

[kennyk]

Having said that, I feel only kenny or Uranus are viable eliminations today. My preference is on kenny, obviously, but I'll vote Uranus in an emergency.

I don't want anyone else claiming their roles.

So you don't believe your own call? Or how should we interprete your willingness to eliminate Uranus?

I agree with the second part of your post though.
I don't see how truthfully claiming power roles on day one would help town. It would only reveal a good N1 target for mafia.

Claiming a town power role as mafia on D1 is a very high risk. Scum has to be very lucky to claim a power role in a setup where there is no potential counterclaim. And if there is a counterclaim the fakeclaimer is either eliminated on D1 or D2 leaving the sole scum in a 6-1 or 4-1 situation (after N1 or N2, worse odds if nightkills fail).

Claiming a power role as vanilla townie is even worse as both the fake and the counterclaim are going to be eliminated on D1 and D2. With nightkills going through that leaves town with a 3-2 situation.

I know that town power roles might lead to different results, but in general those should be the numbers.