Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

MathBlade · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:49 am

In post 672, Save The Dragons wrote:you may want to open your mind up a little

I don’t assume suboptimal play until evidence presents itself that’s what happened.
Optimal play is to have a plan whatever your alignment

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:50 am

My plan is kil IV

Datisi · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:51 am

In post 663, MathBlade wrote:If we assume scum IV Datisi town then scum IV intentionally picks a fight with Datisi, doesn’t make sense to me
If we assume scum IV scum Datisi I mean possible but why would scum IV and scum Datisi 1v1 like that?

I don’t see IV as scum here

ftr that opening between the two of us was guaranteed to happen before any role pm even went out, it's nai any way you look at it

i dislike math's "scum always have a plan therefore this cannot be scum because--" because it heavily reminds me of arguments that math was pushing in the recently completed mini normal about what "scum is doing". now idk if town!math also does this because drawing hard conclusions solely from games of one alignment is bad but it's on my radar

also, @ math: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84770

p sure micros and larges don'r even go up to those numbers yet

ISO · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:53 am

In post 675, MathBlade wrote:
In post 672, Save The Dragons wrote:you may want to open your mind up a little
I don’t assume suboptimal play until evidence presents itself that’s what happened.
Optimal play is to have a plan whatever your alignment

yikes

MathBlade · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:56 am

As I should be on your radar.
I put in effort to avoid any sort of meta tell between alignments.

That’s not a yikes STD.
My plan today is to force scum into a suboptimal play that tips their hand.
They know wagons will be watched so they now have a hyper focus on where they place their vote.
That creates more for us to go off of to find scum.

MathBlade · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:56 am

In post 676, NorwegianboyEE wrote:My plan is kil IV

Then push him.

You’re not executing your plan.

ISO · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:58 am

In post 679, MathBlade wrote:As I should be on your radar.
I put in effort to avoid any sort of meta tell between alignments.

That’s not a yikes STD.
My plan today is to force scum into a suboptimal play that tips their hand.
They know wagons will be watched so they now have a hyper focus on where they place their vote.
That creates more for us to go off of to find scum.

nah it gets a yikes from me dawg

you didn't answer my question about the wagons, though...knowing i'm voting IV and not george bailey, doesn't that throw your 2x2x2 analysis out the window? do you have thoughts about that?

Datisi · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:00 am

yes, that is very much a yikes

assuming perfect play and only operating under the idea that the opponents will only do Perfect Moves (no, this is not a crumb) will lose you more games than it will win you and is generally a bad practice. unless you know everyone on the table is an extremely good player of [opposite alignment]. and also like i am again getting flashbacks to having had to argue this exact thing in the other game

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:02 am

In post 680, MathBlade wrote:
In post 676, NorwegianboyEE wrote:My plan is kil IV
Then push him.

Why? I'm not in a hurry.

Datisi · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:06 am

norwee what are your reads in this game of micro 1026: 09:12 | day 1

MathBlade · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:06 am

In post 681, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 679, MathBlade wrote:As I should be on your radar.
I put in effort to avoid any sort of meta tell between alignments.

That’s not a yikes STD.
My plan today is to force scum into a suboptimal play that tips their hand.
They know wagons will be watched so they now have a hyper focus on where they place their vote.
That creates more for us to go off of to find scum.
nah it gets a yikes from me dawg

you didn't answer my question about the wagons, though...knowing i'm voting IV and not george bailey, doesn't that throw your 2x2x2 analysis out the window? do you have thoughts about that?

I do, I am just on my lunch break here.

MathBlade · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:08 am

In post 682, Datisi wrote:yes, that is very much a yikes

assuming perfect play and only operating under the idea that the opponents will only do Perfect Moves (no, this is not a crumb) will lose you more games than it will win you and is generally a bad practice. unless you know everyone on the table is an extremely good player of [opposite alignment]. and also like i am again getting flashbacks to having had to argue this exact thing in the other game

It’s a great practice. Assuming people are good nets more scum than it loses.
If people are bad then they will get caught anyway.
Difference is I was forced to argue a lot of dumb shit that game at at a certain point was trying to get elimmed to save NM another day.
Here there’s no traitor.
As any alignment I always suggest the optimal strategy.

marcistar · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:12 am

VOTE: norwegianboyee

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:12 am

In post 684, Datisi wrote:norwee what are your reads in this game of micro 1026: 09:12 | day 1

As of right now, i think STD, Marcistar and previous Faker slot (Dwlee) are town.
Lighter townred on you
M&M/George null
IV and Mathblade scummy

MathBlade · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:12 am

In post 183, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:13 am

In post 687, marcistar wrote:VOTE: norwegianboyee

Yeah this is prob town. Marcistar just thinking they caught me as scum for being lazy and not pushing IV harder or some BS.

ISO · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:14 am

In post 689, MathBlade wrote:
In post 183, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me
STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.

yikes

ISO · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:15 am

norwee what did you think of unwnd

MathBlade · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:15 am

In post 691, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 689, MathBlade wrote:
In post 183, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me
STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.
yikes

You’re saying yikes at yourself. Lmao you’ve played with town me you’re better than this dude.

I think you’re town but c’mon dude

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:16 am

In post 692, Save The Dragons wrote:norwee what did you think of unwnd

I did not have a read on unwnd prior to Mathblade repping in. But i did theorycraft that IV was possibly buddying them, and that assumed an town!unwnd world.

MathBlade · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:17 am

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86330

Here’s a fine example: optimal play said NDMath was incorrect and Koba was town. NDMath was scum.

ISO · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:18 am

In post 693, MathBlade wrote:
In post 691, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 689, MathBlade wrote:
In post 183, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me
STD literally argues the same thing. Scum!Marci doesn’t pussyfoot around voting you. Because you believe optimal scum Marci votes you. It’s the same thing I just have the courage to say it.
yikes
You’re saying yikes at yourself. Lmao you’ve played with town me you’re better than this dude.

I think you’re town but c’mon dude

yikes

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:18 am

This is turning into another one of those games where i don't play to please anyone because i don't care, and that get's read as scummy.

MathBlade · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:19 am

viewtopic.php?p=12732511#p12732511

Another example: A50 was scum.
FoS’d him because he wasn’t as good as he usually is.

I always hold players to the standards I know they can achieve and I will never ever change that.

MathBlade · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:20 am

In post 697, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This is turning into another one of those games where i don't play to please anyone because i don't care, and that get's read as scummy.

Oh no you’re scummy besides that.

In the game where I was scum and you got lock Towned before you were lock towned you didn’t care and it was different