Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[cowsloveSushirolls]

bussing astronomy before they've had a chance to spew is no bueno

Don’t get me wrong. I want to see if they are going to post before any hammer is made.

If Astronomy is hammered and killed before they can post/make an claim i will take it as an complete scum claim from the person that hammers the wagon.

However if Astronomy continues to obviously avoid the thread then they can just die.

i think this throws water are norwegian vs astro/pavowski but someone could make a case for the opposite
in a vacuum, at least

again, thinking back to nowee's 'apathy toward the game' (i didn't really explain this, but they flat out weren't solving after a certain point, and every time i prodded them for something or mentioned them in a negative light, they'd go and talk to me about it) why would they feel like this if their scumbuddy was replaced and they were one of the votes on them? all they needed was to have their partner speak loudly and proudly, so that norwee could go "oh, the lurker was just bored town" and wagon someone else.

in the world of salswee/astronomy, they were not in a bad position after the replacement.

strange, how caught up are you in the game?

[Pavowski]

Also for those of us scum reading Uranus for lurkiness, it's been nearly a week for Kenny.

Anyway, sleep.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

voting order for me right now seems like

uranus's slot --> kenny --> pavowski

if any of them claim JK,

--> radical?
i see more distinct anti-pairings with STD and LQ. for pavow/kenny they're lighter

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Also for those of us scum reading Uranus for lurkiness, it's been nearly a week for Kenny.

Anyway, sleep.

(psst, they were in VLA. it ended today)

[Pavowski]

Also for those of us scum reading Uranus for lurkiness, it's been nearly a week for Kenny.

Anyway, sleep.

(psst, they were in VLA. it ended today)

Withdrawn then, that's my whoops.

[StrangeMatter]

I'm caught up on only a few people to be completely honest, but I will say what I do kind of want to note. LQ's post #1220 is a post that I personally think is more likely to catch new scum over experienced ones, but I do think it comes from town so it strikes me as town so far.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm caught up on only a few people to be completely honest, but I will say what I do kind of want to note. LQ's post #1220 is a post that I personally think is more likely to catch new scum over experienced ones, but I do think it comes from town so it strikes me as town so far.

None of the things I have done with my system is for sure going to catch Scum, but the bottom tends to be Scum and the Top tends to be Town. This is independent of players experience/skill.

[StrangeMatter]

I still highly doubt that makes sense to have it independent of player's experiences and skills.

[LicketyQuickety]

I still highly doubt that makes sense to have it independent of player's experiences and skills.

Well, why do you think I say that? I say that because I've caught Scum this way who were plenty experienced and quite good players.

[Radical Rat]

If Kenny is Scum, strangely enough, this might be accurate.

Spoiler:

I was ISOing Salsa, and found some posts that pinged me:

Spoiler: Pinged Posts

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

This looks like either a defense of floo or a buddy attempt.

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

This might be nothing, or it might be made to make CLS look bad while also carrying the same thing of buddy/defence of floo in prior post.

But then I saw a spinet of Kenny's post in 72 in reference to the original post 62.

Why this is interesting is because of what Kenny said here:

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now

'only'

E-2

And given StD and Kenny both come from a different game meta than current MS meta, this indicates to me that the site meta they come from people are generally much more hesitant with their votes and only vote for serious reasons. If this is the case, then Salsa vastly comes from a different meta than these two players because of their constant votes in 39, 40, and 44. What's more is that Salsa actually know this and just keeps voting Kenny for very little reason even though they are already voting for Kenny. And this happened BEFORE Kenny pointed out the 'only' E-2 comment.

Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?

Only one way to find out!

[LicketyQuickety]

Only one way to find out!

Well, we are NOT Elimming Kenny before he has a chance to enter the thread.

[StrangeMatter]

I still highly doubt that makes sense to have it independent of player's experiences and skills.

Well, why do you think I say that? I say that because I've caught Scum this way who were plenty experienced and quite good players.

Then you've had a different experience playing Mafia than I have before joining this website that confirms it to you but not to me. Most games in those have scum who at least knows not to lurk and have decent amount of discussion, or everyone ends up not talking so it would be skewed.

I'm not saying that you can't catch scum who is plenty experienced, since STD can confirm this himself that I pointed out his lurking like behavior when I was dead (Yes I know they had issues going on at the time but the point still stands).

[StrangeMatter]

Anyways can we continue this later? I need to go do some things and I'll be back here tomorrow.

[LicketyQuickety]

I still highly doubt that makes sense to have it independent of player's experiences and skills.

Well, why do you think I say that? I say that because I've caught Scum this way who were plenty experienced and quite good players.

Then you've had a different experience playing Mafia than I have before joining this website that confirms it to you but not to me. Most games in those have scum who at least knows not to lurk and have decent amount of discussion, or everyone ends up not talking so it would be skewed.

I'm not saying that you can't catch scum who is plenty experienced, since STD can confirm this himself that I pointed out his lurking like behavior when I was dead (Yes I know they had issues going on at the time but the point still stands).

It's not based on lurking.

[LicketyQuickety]

I still highly doubt that makes sense to have it independent of player's experiences and skills.

Well, why do you think I say that? I say that because I've caught Scum this way who were plenty experienced and quite good players.

Then you've had a different experience playing Mafia than I have before joining this website that confirms it to you but not to me. Most games in those have scum who at least knows not to lurk and have decent amount of discussion, or everyone ends up not talking so it would be skewed.

I'm not saying that you can't catch scum who is plenty experienced, since STD can confirm this himself that I pointed out his lurking like behavior when I was dead (Yes I know they had issues going on at the time but the point still stands).

It's not based on lurking.

And I account for # of posts. So it's more accurate than you would think. It measures impact of a player, not necessarily Scum/Town.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

Who do you think it is then?

Pavowski

Why? The main point against Astro was just the lurking, wasn't it?

i got scummy vibes from astronomyfortwo when they did post

[LicketyQuickety]

hi town
i'll make you proud

This post is bugging me given CLSR had been voting for Norwee, then unvoted when Norwee was put at E-1, then hammered Norwee when Pav was like "WTF are you doing bro?"

[cowsloveSushirolls]

This post is bugging me given CLSR had been voting for Norwee, then unvoted when Norwee was put at E-1, then hammered Norwee when Pav was like "WTF are you doing bro?"

was it cold feet or a ploy to steal hammer away from pavowski?
the world may never know

[LicketyQuickety]

This post is bugging me given CLSR had been voting for Norwee, then unvoted when Norwee was put at E-1, then hammered Norwee when Pav was like "WTF are you doing bro?"

was it cold feet or a ploy to steal hammer away from pavowski?
the world may never know

Steal the hammer from Pav? I call BS on that move.

[Radical Rat]

Only one way to find out!

Well, we are NOT Elimming Kenny before he has a chance to enter the thread.

Oh no, of course not. That would be very foolish of me to try and pull, as either alignment.

Doesn't mean we can't make him come in hot though.

[kennyk]

Back again. I am going to check out what happened since page 54.

[kennyk]

I’m town.

I think you guys should maybe consider STD next. But i’m just happy to be going to the dead thread.

I do feel very confident in Quick town, so don’t ever eliminate there.

I don't know what to make of those three posts in twilight. The first is totally rubbish as we were about to know it is untrue.
The question about the other two is: Was he just throwing around names or was he really giving away his partner (and if so in which of those two posts). I have read through the rest of the thread (more comments are following) but I haven't seen anybody commenting about this.

[kennyk]

StrangeMatter replaces Uranus

Night 2 begins now. Please submit your night actions within 48 hours from now.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-09-12 13:35:00)

Hello StrangeMatter and welcome to the freakshow.

[kennyk]

dude, uranus is getting

forced replaced

due to inactivity
idk how to feel about that

forced replaced isn't an actual term
the extra d in forced stands for "diamgoingtojailkeepuranus'sslot"

wondering who the actual jk is though
my money is on kenny

Too bad outside bets are aganst the rules. I would really like to bet against you.

[kennyk]

Very weird interactions from Norwee on the slot, versus Norwee's consistent TR on LQ which just strikes me as tmi telling.

Also don't see a great reason to bus in this position, which means Kenny or Uranus slot. Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

I'm actually more interested in Salsa's interactions there. Particularly, how she came right out the gate gunning for kenny, pushed there very aggressively, albeit also with somewhat weak reasoning, only to back off as soon as it became a viable wagon because it was "too easy"

In light of the flip, this now reads to me like trying to distance from a partner, while also defending the slot from actually getting eliminated, and potentially earning towncred for scumreading/leaning him without a full bus.

Also, Salsa's offer to quickhammer Uranus seems odd if that's the scumteam. Could be a bus attempt, definitely, but in that case I might have expected her to just hammer anyway.

I really can understand those arguments. And I have nothing to offer against them as they are dependend on Salsas play.
And I also know, that me not being on the final wagon and in general being ignorant of Salsas aggression early on makes me even more sus. I guess I stated my arguments for both facts.