Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[LicketyQuickety]

I will also point out, though, that rat announcing his target for tonight gives scum an opportunity to no-kill again to frame that person, so be on the lookout for that if, in fact, rat does choose to jail me.

This opportunity exists regardless of whether scum knows my target. I am the only viable NK target for scum that wants to win, and I can't protect myself, so that's not a concern for scum. They'll know ahead of time whether the kill will go through or not, but the actual decision whether to kill me or try to frame my target isn't affected.

And what are the other options?
You don't tell who you are going to target, you are unlucky with your pick (which has a 80 % probability if I am limmed) and are NKed. In this case, we (or better: the remaining townies) know nothing. I don't think that is good at all.
You could also try and trick scum by telling us you would jail a) but in reality are jailing b). This could pay off but in case of you getting NKed it would confirm a) as town even if he is the remaining scum. In this case it will be an easy win for scum. I don't like this either.

That's typically where RR would flip a coin between two people. I forgot about that strategy, but I just thought of it again when you gave the option for it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyways, we are talking in circles now.

I'm fine to end the day at this point.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i want strange to give their thoughts and i'm -fine- with sending kenny away

just checking, it's guaranteed that RR is jailkeeping pavowski?

[kennyk]

What would be the point of a jailing going through if Radical is NKed tonight? So lets say scum targets Radical (with the kill, not the rolecopping) and Radical targets you. Radical is dead and you are jailed for the night. As there is no other possible night action, nothing can happen from or to your spot anyways.

1. JK goes before NK. So if Pav is Town, then the kill will go through on RR, BUT...

A.) It keeps a confirmed Town in the game even if RR dies.
B.) It clears a slot that is fairly Scummy based on players reads on Pav.

2. However, If Scum choose to not NK, then:

A.) RR is still alive next game day.
B.) We elim the player that RR JK.

3. If the player who RR JK is Elimed and flips Town, then:

A.) We are down a player and we No-Elim in MeLo.
B.) Repeat 2.

4. If we get a repeat of MeLo, then:

A.) We Elim RR's JK the next time.

5. If we Elim Town in MeLo Then:

A.) RR has one more shot to get it right.

Just to make it clear: I answered to this:

(jailing goes thru even if JK is killed, unless scum is jailed, right?)

So if Radical JKs anybody but scum, it has absolutely no effect in what happens tonight (except scum still tries to rolecop that someone. But I don't know what they would do that for).

In general I like long term strategies like yours. But there are a few things.
To 1) A).: Pav is only confirmed innocent if Radical dies.
We could and should always elim the jailed player. Even if Radical misses scum every night, he and scum will be the only players left and the game ends in a draw. So Radical has four more chances to get it right. This way we force scum to take action at night and by this confirm one townie.

[StrangeMatter]

Going off what Kenny has said I think that we should probably have a consensus for people JK should target then.

[Pavowski]

NGL I'm low-key excited to get jailed, I don't think I've been jailed before. Curious what scum will do with the opportunity. (Again, assuming we make it that far, which I will admit, seems likelier than before Kenny's posts today.)

In my defense though, that would mean I was bussing Norwee yesterday and I still think it makes zero sense for scum to bus right there. By that logic I would say if the JK target is not me, it should be strange

[Radical Rat]

i want strange to give their thoughts and i'm -fine- with sending kenny away

just checking, it's guaranteed that RR is jailkeeping pavowski?

Yes, unless someone has a particularly compelling reason why I shouldn't

[Radical Rat]

In my defense though, that would mean I was bussing Norwee yesterday and I still think it makes zero sense for scum to bus right there. By that logic I would say if the JK target is not me, it should be strange

I do find it odd that you would bus there. I also find it odd that Salsa would bus Uranus during the D1 wagon. But if kenny flips green, then that does seem to confirm that

someone

has done something odd, so.

[Pavowski]

Fair point. I'd argue that a D1 bus makes more sense than a d2 one. But now we're talking about actions taken by players no longer in the game, lol.

The ending here is shaping up to be more interesting than I expected at least, so that's something.

[Radical Rat]

I find it more likely that the goon would be on the receiving end of a hypothetical bussing, regardless of day. Offering to hammer the scum PR on D1 before they even have a chance to use their ability would be an.... Interesting choice, to say the least.

[Radical Rat]

And yeah, this whole conversation is pretty meaningless at this point, but nothing better to do until we get a hammer.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

intent to vote in
12 hours?

[kennyk]

I won't say the whole discussion is meaningless now. Maybe there are bits of information given here and there. I don't see them now, but in context of things happening later ...
And it prolongs this thread. We already have the longest newbie game in quite a while. Let's get this to the max
Yes, I love my gallows humour. Btw. do I get a last meal?

[Radical Rat]

What, my prison food isn't good enough for you?

[Radical Rat]

Oh, if I do die tonight, and Pav gets confirmed Town, I'd say look at cows probably more than StrangeMatter. I just Really don't see scum attempting a bus on their PR D1.

[StrangeMatter]

And yeah, this whole conversation is pretty meaningless at this point, but nothing better to do until we get a hammer.

Seriously? I just said we should say who we want you to jail tonight.

I think of everyone here I actually kind of want you to jailkeep either myself or Pavowski at this point.

[StrangeMatter]

Can we come to an agreement on who we want to jailkeep and confirm?

[LicketyQuickety]

And yeah, this whole conversation is pretty meaningless at this point, but nothing better to do until we get a hammer.

Seriously? I just said we should say who we want you to jail tonight.

I think of everyone here I actually kind of want you to jailkeep either myself or Pavowski at this point.

I think RR should flip a coin on who to JK between you two.

[Radical Rat]

Pavowski was the consensus, and I'm not doing the coin flip thing. I don't think it's worth introducing uncertainty when we could get a hardclear.

[Radical Rat]

And yeah, this whole conversation is pretty meaningless at this point, but nothing better to do until we get a hammer.

Seriously? I just said we should say who we want you to jail tonight.

I think of everyone here I actually kind of want you to jailkeep either myself or Pavowski at this point.

I was specifically referring to the discussion of whether it makes more sense for you or Pav to be scum. Which is somewhat pointless because either game ends, Pav gets cleared, or we eliminate Pav tomorrow.

[Pavowski]

I am Schroedinger's Pav

[kennyk]

I am Schroedinger's Pav

Beware of Schroedinger's Rat

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i am going to egg people on to give reads on strangematter

first, i haven't said hello yet so i apologize for that

but i wanna see a focus on figuring out who you want condemned disregarding all of the mechanical stuff, so we can all look into your thought process

[Save The Dragons]

I still exist

I still think Kenny is town but I'm willing to be wrong if I'm wrong

[Radical Rat]

StrangeMatter is probably Town. I already thought Uranus was Town, even if he didn't ultimately contribute much, and as I've mentioned already, the hammer offer from Salsa is really weird if the slot's the rolecop.