Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

hello there

[Gamma Emerald]

hi gamma

we're currently in a 1 jk 3 vt 1 goon situation

for the love of fuck tell me marci jailed someone last night so that we can do the autowin thing

nope, that's probably why she flaked tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I read GB's ISO real quick and I kinda wanna say there's some inkling of iv being his partner
datisi how does GB typically intereact with scumbuddies?

[Gamma Emerald]

you plan on reading the game or?

not completely, but I'll do my best to figure stuff out with whatever I do read

[Gamma Emerald]

ok i reread this viewtopic.php?t=86364&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go where he had a grand total of 9 posts before he was hammered and he completely ignored both his partners throughout (like threw a gutloltownreadn on norwee and barely mentioned ico at one point) and mostly voted townies

going by sample size 1 i'd say +town for iv, but i know george is capable of distancing (iirc, he and norwee planned some distancing in achievement unlocked) so /shrug

hmmm okay

[Gamma Emerald]

dwlee, why is 1843 a sequence that comes from scum

It reads to me like openwolfing

It's gloating

It doesn't read like something town would say

It's off-puttingly aggressive

It's really just out of pocket entirely

I can see what dwlee is seeing

[Gamma Emerald]

to me that reads liek alisae either being sure of your alignment or pretending to be

like i don't think that's that far out of what alisae would normally post that i think it has to be scummy

I've seen alisae when he's been sure as town and "sure" as scum and this feels a little bit like the latter

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I'm thinking datisi is the one I'm gonna trust here

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you immediately tried to help me get settled into this game without trying to particularly guide me in any direction stance-wise

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali’s tone feels consistently bad looking at ISO

[Gamma Emerald]

i can't find it i'm on mobile and about to sleep sorry

i just have like, this memory of reading a post from alisae where e talks about a newbie setup or something, and how the idea of fakeclaiming a role as scum isn't that you get to live longer, it's that you draw out a tpr on your way down

which made me believe that e wouldn't do the error of hammering george without a claim

like at this point i get that i'm wrong somewhere because all three of you read town to me but aksjslfeb

Having just read Ali’s ISO it does feel like there’s potential scummy outrage that GB didn’t try to draw out a claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Perhaps
It reminds me of when KittyTacky crashed and burned in owner’s market blitz
She didn’t even snipe the cop role on the way down

[Gamma Emerald]

Perhaps
It reminds me of when KittyTacky crashed and burned in owner’s market blitz
She didn’t even snipe the cop role on the way down

He*
Even if he’s not here I should correct myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Isn’t that tactical replacement

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I'm sorry but I'm done playing with dead weight scum partners
just not worth the fucking energy

If I replaced out every time I felt like a scum partner was being dead weight I would have probably replaced out of many many many more scumgames than I have.

[Gamma Emerald]

Playing around an unknown combination of jailkeeper, babysitter, and follower by myself isn't fucking fun to me.
I don't even know why we like to put in roles like jailkeeper, followers, and trackers in micros, it's not fucking balanced at all.

what???
a) you forgot roleblocker in that first list of roles, b) this feels like you knew GB’s role before he flipped

[Gamma Emerald]

like I wasn't going to have fun playing with those players as my teammates or the rest of the playerlist and it's not like I can play to wincon with that teammate so I decided maybe someone else wants to play that slot for me
like you literally had cyrus throwing away his money for god knows what reason
when I told Gypyx or whatever his name is that I wanted to play that setup with Pooky, it had a hard time filling and if I even tried to get gypyx to wotm someone I doubt it would have filled any faster or even fired. Like at first I thought, "hey, maybe I could deal with it" but I then quickly realized I just didn't fucking want to and honestly

maybe this website just isn't for me anymore

I think you should mold your play to others vs. trying to get others to mold their play to your expectations of what is good play
I could see that you were trying to push a mechanically optimal play there and the fact no one listened to you tilted you into replacing out, you’re pretty much always gonna have a detractor to any sort of strategy, either because they think it’s flawed or they just wanna do their own thing. The smart thing to do is to overlook them in favor of getting as much support as possible from people who might actually be willing to work with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m definitely blocking dwlee if you flip town
VOTE: Alisae
I’ve already found like 3 reasons to think it’s Alisae just on my own more or less

[Gamma Emerald]

Is raybells the legendary RC?

YESSIR
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _to_bus%3F

Hell yeah that DoP game that was mentioned in this article was lit
I’m so happy I got namedropped ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

But being confident is just a game by game thing so I'm not really sure what you should do with this.

LN 233 had me super confident two days before ELO

Chrono trigger I had some confidence the last day

Tic-tac-toe I was screaming at town to do something we did not do and lost cause of it

MBOS you were there and I was very insistent on RCE/Ari and then T3.

2223 the ELO I was very confident math was scum by the end.

Cult game I was saying who the CL was and no one listened to me.

Hydra micro day before ELO I was very insistent that gypyx needed death and it took til ELO to get him voted out.

2214 was me flubbing ELO bad oops that game started in may though so I was still warming up.

White flag I wasn't super confident at the end but I did have a tell on enchant/GL and then said I thought one of enchant/NM had scum.

My scum ELOs attempt to mimic my town ones. 2216 I was playing more like my earlier minis where I was just trying to figure things out (which I do as town too so) and King's new robes was more aggressive but still kind of trying to give off uninformed vibes.

Teach me your secrets
How do you consistently do so well, I feel like I have good games rather rarely

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I think we’re kinda seeing similar things in Alisae but I have more experience with him and thus can verify that you’re probably on the right track

[Gamma Emerald]

bruh

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how can you say meta is trash and then want to see if something matches his scumgame
My guess is you’re just of the Reckoner mindset where you think the common usage of meta is bad but could you go into detail on that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Then what ARE you doing
Also I fundamentally disagree that meta is bad

[Gamma Emerald]

I was in that second one and it’s part of why I think this resembles Ali’s scum game

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I’m not particularly swayed by the earlier comment of “I would have repped out already as scum”, I think twice I have stayed in on my main after my hydra partner quit when we were scum literally just to defy the trend I had noted in the past of other scum hydrae flaking/repping out in full

[Gamma Emerald]

fak u
I have had decent success using meta in the past and I will continue to do so despite your objection
If I’m right about Alisae then meta helped me get there in probably half the time (not like that would have ended up being much longer without it)

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually couldn't I kept trying to go through your topics to find one mad couldn't

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VOTE: dwlee99
You know why.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m voting scum
Why are you questioning me? You think dwlee is scum too

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll likely give my reasons but I want to see how dwlee responds first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Some games I stick to my guns for basically the entire game
Some games I flip-flop like a fish

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever man idc who u blockin if dwlee dies right now

You
I want this 1v1 resolved before 3p

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually couldn't I kept trying to go through your topics to find one mad couldn't

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VOTE: dwlee99
You know why.

I wanted to find an Alisae scum game, clicked on like five games and half them I don't think Alisae even played in, and then gave up

Dwlee. Read my ISO in Fall of Yakra. Then try to tell me what you think I find wrong in what you did.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so what I've found so far is maybe that you (gamma) has rolled scum a lot lately so I should have been able to find a scum game. But I was looking for an Alisae scum game not a your scum game so this only makes sense if you misread what I was saying

Look at my interactions with the scum in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm.
I still want Dwlee to do that thing but I’m not so sure about what I saw

[Gamma Emerald]

Guillotina

[Gamma Emerald]

Close-ish
I meant how obstinate Guillotina was about providing his meta
Which I realized midway through was not equivalent to what you did as it wasn’t your meta you were covering but Alisae’s

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I do like how fast dwlee was to catch on for the most part

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I feel like scum try to plead the fifth in these sorts of scenarios
Dwlee actively volunteered information rather than try to draw out a hard j’accuse

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62787

This is my peak scum game btw so look at this one

(I'm actually just trying to make a wiki kind of rn so I'm looking through my old games. This was my first "real" game on site.)

I have so many games that my wiki would be a mile long. I tried restarting from when I started playing again in august of last year but it was challenging to keep track of which games were valid
any advice?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm just doing every single non-blitz non-marathon game. My only advice is wow it takes a while

how much are you writing on them because I tend to write like a small paragraph about every game, that gets challenging sometimes for games I feel less involved with

[Gamma Emerald]

I would separate my games by era vs. by year because there was like a whole year where I was mostly away from the site

[Gamma Emerald]

how is it I've been on this site for over a year less than you have and have been on and off since I've joined and I have so many more pages in my egosearch?
that's probably the biggest impediment to my ability to create a functional wiki for myself

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been in like 20+ games at certain points in time
and yeah I probably do comment in discussion threads a lot

[Gamma Emerald]

perhaps not
2016 was a different time

[Gamma Emerald]

it's probably because games just go faster these days

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym

[Gamma Emerald]

what was the original meme

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I feel like you managed to put similar defenses in the same spots for both memes

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrm

[Gamma Emerald]

Impressive impersonation

[Gamma Emerald]

I should start posting reaction images/gifs more in mafia it seems fun

Indeed

[Gamma Emerald]

The yellow one looks so different

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant the yellow m&m

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I wanna elim IV atm

[Gamma Emerald]

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I was initially concerned it’d be heated but the current interactions seem pretty chill so I’m good with that being the endgame scenario
pedit: I think we’re all collectively willing to lose to Datisi if he’s mafia

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I’d probably jailkeep you if we elim IV, not for anything you’ve done but for the fact that I think you’re probably the most neutral party out of you/dwlee/datisi
So I’d feel the best having you confirmed town

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmm
Thinking on that I feel like it’s wrong lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll probably cast my final answer vote for the day when I wake up from going to bed

[Gamma Emerald]

I am down on pinning the blame on Norwee

Maybe but don’t bully him

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe
I’m feeling kinda out of it rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think IV is more likely to be town than you at this point. If I'm wrong on Alisae though then it's probably better to reeval anyway and at that point I'm fine going with what Gamma wants

Eh why wrt IV townie than Datisi

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like if I had to order people from towniest to scummiest based on just what has happened since I replaced in it would be something like
Datisi > Dwlee > IV > Alisae

[Gamma Emerald]

okay that feels valid
When did you start to feel that way?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I can agree with that read a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: alisae
I'll be blocking dwlee if this flips town.

[Gamma Emerald]

very good choice in characters

[Gamma Emerald]

if you think it's him then vote him
me and dwlee are the only voters rn and we're on alisae

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I'll jailkeep IV if that's what y'all want

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that’s basically where I’m at too
Whoever has the WIM to solve in 3p should be JKed, whoever doesn’t should be eliminated
That kinda works across the 4 of you

[Gamma Emerald]

I keep thinking looking at the next-to-last newbie game where I was scum will be fruitful but I tried earlier and didn't know where to start
if someone feels like doing that rq that would be great

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: IV
As long as gamma jails alisae.

I’m good w/ this
VOTE: IV

[Gamma Emerald]

I helped!

[Gamma Emerald]

nice mod error : )

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Imagine if i had target IV and the game just ended. We'd have none of this excitement and there would be no more fun scum hunting for the gang. What an truly anti-climatic end that would have been.

Honestly, where's the gratitude everyone? I gave you all this fun little IV hunt. I should be given showers of praise.

thank you for letting me be a part of this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Towards the end I was like “where is IV, he’s the only one not really partaking in this conversation” and that’s what ultimately decided it

[Gamma Emerald]

Hiiiiiii
You’re awesome

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re so honest and real about what you’re feeling

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae you have NO IDEA

[Gamma Emerald]

thats what makes it all fun for me : D

do other people not do it-

I struggle with emotional honesty sometimes

[Gamma Emerald]

My first game with Marci she was limmed as scum D1
That’s why I posted what I did, I want it known that I don’t feel okay with how I acted about that game towards her.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think anyone will get mad at you if you’re doing your best and they can see that. If they do, they’re probably not that great of a person.
In that instance I kinda got my gamestate information through a pretty murky filter, I don’t wanna badmouth too much but Bridgeburners (and I think mostly Melanque) did a really bad job portraying that game in an accurate light and I ended up tilting